by Worthington Daily Globe
May 13, 2013 at 10:00 am in Worthington Daily Globe
Gov. Dayton to sign bill into law todayST. PAUL Love and marriage soon will go together for Minnesota gays like they do for straight couples. Continue Reading
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Next up, marriage for multiple partners, marriage for family members, marriage for people and pets.
It’s the next logical step in the breakdown of our society.
“Democrats, meanwhile, compared the historic debate to civil rights efforts of the 1960s.”—– I think most African Americans would differ with that outrageous statement.
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Outrageous comments? You wrote the book.
We invite you to join us in the 21st century.
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Marriage has awhole lot less meaning now…….
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To you, perhaps. But to 1000s of others, it’s quite the opposite. If your marriage has meaning for your and your spouse, that’s all that you should be concerned with.
This new law is not a threat to your marriage or your way of life. Ask the folks in Iowa, or any of the other 11 states, how their lives have changed.
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Eastender, I really don’t think it’s any of your business what I should be “concerned with”, you can keep your liberal kool aid for yourself………….
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Okay, folks, I understand many people have strong feelings about this topic, but please don’t let this devolve into a bickering match between just a couple people. It’s not to that point yet, but I’m afraid it’s going to get there and I want to prevent that if at all possible so we can keep the thread up and give everybody a chance to comment.
Please try, as best you can, to keep it civil and stay on topic.
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Gotca Kari…….sorry, I just don’t like some people telling me what i should be concerned about……………
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My comment wasn’t directed at you specifically, alone. I just wanted it to go at the bottom of the page where people would, I hoped, see it before they commented.
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Good thing there were liberal minded people or this country would not exist. And you would be a decedent of a serf still being one yourself.
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“To you, perhaps. But to 1000s of others, it’s quite the opposite. If your marriage has meaning for your and your spouse, that’s all that you should be concerned with.
This new law is not a threat to your marriage or your way of life.”————–
Thank you for making my point eastender.
What about the “1000s of others” who truly believe they have a right to marry as many people at one time as they want. Or the person who wants to marry their sister, brother, mother, father, Remember we can’t judge people based on who they love and want to marry right?
Answer this simple question eastender….would you deny the people I just mentioned the right to marry?
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Another stupid comment, devoid of any basis in fact or common sense. You’re just regurgitating inane talking points we’ve all heard hundreds of times before. In spite of that, I’m sure you’ll get a few “thumbs up”.
But, hey, if you and your pet goat want to head down to the court house to try to get a marriage license, go ahead. Take a camera crew with you. And, if you succeed, I hope you’ll be very happy.
If you’re that upset about this new law, you CAN move to a state where folks MIGHT think like you do. There are 38 of them (as of today).
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Won’t answer the question huh?
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Go marry your goat, if the state will give you a license. If they won’t, it’s because it’s against the law, just as same sex marriage was until today.
Time to get real and move on. Or maybe just move. You’re starting to look foolish.
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Count me among those who are in favor of same-sex marriage. Still, the statement that establishing the right to same-sex marriage is the equivalent to the civil rights movement of the 1960s is an exaggeration. I don’t mean to diminish the importance, but it isn’t near the oppression that was relieved by the civil rights movement of the 1960s.
The passage of the legislation does prevent me with a dilemma. While I support the passage of same-sex marriage legislation, the passage is in direct contradiction to what was promised during the prior election. Many politicians who opposed the constitutional amendment did so by promising that no further changes would occur after the constitutional amendment was defeated. Yet, in the very first legislative session following the election, a complete change was implemented. Politicians should be held accountable for their promises, even when breaking those promises supports a position to which I may be in favor. In my opinion the proper approach would have been to do what was promised; refused to change existing law and certainly not enact a complete change. During the next election cycle those in favor of a complete change could have campaigned honestly and disclosed their support for a complete change.
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Actually Joe it’s real, real, close. The big difference is gays can/could hide. The situation isn’t/wasn’t black and white like the Civil Rights movement but the oppression is.
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I don’t believe there is such a thing as a Christian homosexual marriage. That said if gay marriage doesn’t impact others I wouldn’t oppose it too much. Where I start to have a problem is if one bum never works a day in his life and pays nothing into social security and later draws social security on his “husband” I have a big problem with it. In fact I already have a problem with heterosexual spouses who have never paid in drawing social security. If one spouse doesn’t work the other spouse should be required to pay into social security just as though the spouse is self employed. The way it is now isn’t fair to single people.
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Tax code has always given single people the shaft, it is very unfair! Although religion started marriage, I don’t have full belief in it myself. But for those that want to get married, go for it. If I ever get married, it wont be in a church.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
Governor Mark Dayton just signed the marriage equality bill.
It’s a proud moment for Minnesota.
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Absolutely, naughtydog. I would much rather have MN be in the same category with WA, IA, MA, RI, DE, DC, NY, VT, ME, MD, NH and CT… every one of which is progressive, with a high quality of life… than the rest who still choose to continue to marginalize their citizens.
If they open their eyes and minds, the opponents will soon realize that their lives have not changed a bit. Take the short trip down to Iowa.
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Also the percentage of your income that you pay in taxes is fairer. In the red states the bottom 20 percent pay 4 times as much of their income as the top 5 percent do. But then in almost all of the red states this is true. A person in North Dakota making 25K a year as pays over three times as much as the top 4 percent pay.
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Stan, if your post were any less complete I’d almost think you were intentionally trying to be misleading. Are you referring to income taxes or all taxes; it obviously can’t be limited to North Dakota State Income tax because someone with income of $25,000 would pay $285 in North Dakota income tax even if they eliminated every possible adjustment other than claiming their own personal deduction. If you think that the top 4% of North Dakota earners are paying less than $100 on average in North Dakota income tax you are delusional – show me some proof. You can’t be including just Federal Income taxes, because at $25,000 of income you would need to elect out of certain refundable credits to not get a refund. So, you must be including Social Security and Medicare. So, how much of your Social Security benefit do you want me to pay for and how much more of your Medicare benefit do you want me to pay for (the average worker will receive approximately $250,000 more than they pay into Medicare)?
Almost fifty percent of this country is not paying any Federal Income Tax. That means the only Federal taxes that they are paying are to fund their own Social Security and partially fund their Medicare benefit (and a few miscellaneous excise taxes). As noted above, the average worker receives approximately $250,000 more in Medicare benefits than they paid into the system. That means one-half of this country pays nothing toward funding the Department of Defense, Labor Department, Department of Education, Foreign Service, Treasury Department, Homeland Security and every other federal program except their own Social Security benefit and a small portion of their Medicare benefit. Again, how much more of your Medicare and Social Security benefits would you like funded by someone else?
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Where once did I mention income taxes? I said a percentage of your income that you pay in taxes.
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Can’t wait for the lawsuits to come from sisters who want to be married! Why should the state discriminate against them? Since Love is Law, what gives me the right to stand in the way of anybody getting married if they love each other?
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Why don’t you and your sister get busy and work as hard as the gay community has to change the law so you can make it legal? The gay community has worked – and waited – 35 years, more or less, and the day has finally arrived.
Your argument is as tired (and repetitive) as some others here… we’ve heard it all before and it hasn’t made one bit of difference. It’s kinda sad that you don’t, can’t or won’t see that.
Is it absolutely impossible for some people to ever be happy for anyone else?
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I think it’s time for all single people to stand up for our rights! We should either !: Have less witheld from our paychecks or 2: get a larger social security check since we don’t cover the cost of a spouse who never paid into social security. I myself have a relative who didn’t pay a dime into social security yet she gets half the amount her husband does along with his check. Now if the federal government recognizes gay marriages they can do the same thing.
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You forgot the part where they also get to split his income for tax purposes saving money there also. Compare what he would pay filing single to what they are paying filing jointly. That is why back in the early part of the 60’s they wrote the law this way. When more and more women started to have careers and made decent money filing jointly hurt them.
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You seem to be under the impression that social security is like a retirement savings account, what you pay in corresponds to what you take out. It doesn’t work that way, if your family history suggests you will die at 70 you are likely going to get a lot less of benefit than someone likely to live until 85. Children whose parents die young get some social security benefits, as do people with disabilities. The program is not meant to be a retirement program, but a safety net.
We don’t get to target where our taxes will and will not go individually. We elect people to represent us and influence those decisions. Otherwise I probably wouldn’t want any of my taxes to go to defense spending, or spending on subsidies to big energy companies (GE) or big agriculture companies, etc.
Perhaps you should think about running for government under your plan. Given that the elderly vote in droves it might be an uphill battle, but it would be fun to watch.
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She has a hateful history in opposition to gay rights and marriage. One classic misstep on her part was when she was caught on camera, hiding behind the bushes in front of the State Capitol, during a gay rights rally. When spotted, she headed for the hills! What an idiot and embarrassment to her district and to the state.
She threatened to leave MN if gay marriage was enacted. Thousands of people have offered to help her pack.
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Bachmann, leave? Say it ain’t so. Her entertainment value is so high. Minnesota gets to boast it has the craziest congressperson, by far.
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Sad, but true. She’s driving the clown car.
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Are you kidding RickM?? Nancy Pelosi is the undisputed “craziest congressperson” and will take on all comers who try to take her title away.
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Even in the bubble they dismiss Bachmann. When the right win media folks slam you (Bill O’Reilly, George Will just this morning called her silly) you know you have a serious credibility problem.
This is why you have to have a warm place in your heart for Bachmann. Google crazy Bachmann quotes and you could be reading for days. No such luck with Pelosi. And Bachmann paints with such a broad brush of crazy, touching on almost every aspect of society with whack-job comments.
The humor value is incredibly high. Think about it, Colbert has an entire writing team and is only able to produce 22 minutes a day four days a week, and part of that with the help of a guest. And while I enjoy the show, and it has memorable quotes, it just doesn’t measure up. Bachmann, with no real help (ok, she did have that reporter chase after her trying to get her to explain one of her bat-sh*t moments), produces at least one truly memorable quote a week. She does have an advantage though, if Colbert is too out there people simply find it too much as we know he is kidding, Bachmann seems to almost believe some of the stuff she puts out there. Almost.
The best part to me usarv, is that it seems likely that you are so deep in the bubble, that some part of you actually thinks Pelosi is crazier than Bachmann. Makes you wonder how you would react if the leader of the congressional Democrats were a real liberal (the national journal, which does annual rankings of congress folk has her almost in the middle of the pack of Democrats). Or if we had a president who wasn’t governing from the center. 😉
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“Thousands of people have offered to help her pack”. Ya, right, eastender probably about eleven people have offered to help her pack. A whole lot more people are happy to have a good conservative woman stand up to the liberals.
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Why should she leave when it’s so much fun kicking liberals rear ends?
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When has the bat sheet crazy women ever kicked anyone’s rear end? She makes crazy comments and is shown that her comments are lies and then literally runs away from her statements. Are you fine with the fact that she does not even live in her district?
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I think she’s kicking your rear end right now as much as you are whining, hahaha. She is popular in her district and liberals just can’t stand for that. Go bawl your eyes out liberals, har har.
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“Popular in her district?” Um, no.
She won her last election by 1.2 percentage points (50.5 to 49.3). By comparison, Mitt Romney carried her district by 15 percentage points (56.5 to 41.5). So, she is almost 14 percentage points less popular in her own district than Mitt Romney. Mittens Romney! Don’t confuse winning a district that almost any Republican could win without trying (or spending much money) with popularity.
In the third most expensive house race (following the Allen West – Patrick Murphy race and John Boehner’s unopposed race) Bachman outspent her opponent 6 to 1 ($15 million to $2.3 million), and still barely carried a district a trained Republican monkey should carry. Bachmann is just about the worst headache the Republicans have – which is why I want to see her stay around.
Redo the districts so that they are not made to be particularly safe and Bachmann would be moving on to her gig at Fox news (where I suspect she wouldn’t even last as long as Palin). She couldn’t win any district not hugely tilted towards Republicans.
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P.S. Have to admit though, for the comedy value I would like to see her run for President again.
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Liberals are funny. Rep. Bachmann is a good representative for Minnesota I hope she continues to run and represent her district and defeat any liberal who runs against her.
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Who is whining? What has she ever even done for her district? List any bills she has authored and got past even in a Republican controlled House. That is easy so I will do it for you. Nothing! Nada! Zilch! She has done nothing at all for her district beyond embarrassing them.
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Who is whining? You are, hahaha. Michelle continues to kick every liberals butt who runs against her. The great thing about the legislature passing the gay marriage bill is we know next year the Republicans will take back the Minnesota legislature.
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It should be “list any bills she has authored and gotten “PASSED” not “past” Stanley. Just thought I’d help you out
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usarv is either an Internet troll, a Bachmann staffer or a Bachmann relative / family member. NOBODY in his or her right mind could be so otherwise blind to this woman’s shenanigans. It defies credulity and logic.
usarv – I wouldn’t be so sure that she’s a shoe-in for re-election the next time around. She narrowly won in 2012 after outspending her opponent 20-1. She was so shaken she didn’t even give an acceptance speech or thank her supporters on election night! (The first time she won, in 2008, she gave an acceptance speech while wearing a tiara!) She’s already running re-election ads on Twin Cities’ TV stations — 18 months ahead of the election. She doesn’t appear to be as confident as you do!
Enough of the circus side show. Maybe common sense will finally prevail. District 6 deserves better.
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If common sense prevails Michelle will kick another silly liberals butt, hahaha.
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If you’re such a fan, you’d know she spells her name with only one “L”.
I stand by my statement. Her brand of crazy is not sustainable.
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You’re pretty funny eastender. I’m sure liberals are just besides themselves that they can’t take this legislative seat. Sorry, I don’t have any sympathy for you. I love to hear liberals crying and it will only get better after the 2014 election, hahaha!!
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Nah, she’s only 1 of 435. I don’t need your pseudo sympathy. We should feel sorry for her constituents. They’re the losers in all this.
Since you’re a grammarian all of the sudden (correcting Stan’s spelling), you should know that MicheLe will be “kicking another silly LIBERAL’S butt”. (possessive, not plural). And liberals are just BESIDE themselves. And, oh, put a comma after FUNNY. And a period after ELECTION. When you get all that right, you can correct others.
What a phony.
Okay, this is getting increasingly personal.
Tone it back a bit, folks. I know you both have strong feelings on this issue, but do your best to be civil to each other so we can keep this thread going.
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Oh, “eastender” is desperately trying to decide if “United States Army Viet Nam” is an internet troll, a Bachmann staffer, or a Bachmann relative/ family member Uh, it’s none of the above but – – – .I LOVE keeping liberals guessing!! Just keep bringing the fools up against Michele you’ve been bringing. It’s been quite entertaining. usarv
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Could you explain Michele’s ethical problems and possible criminal charges in Iowa?
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She is just following the guidance of the Great 42nd president.
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This has no effect on me. If 2 people love each other to be committed enough that they want to get married, so be it. It makes no difference to me if it is man/woman, man/man or woman /woman. All that should matter is that 2 people are happy to get married if they wish to do so.
Someone mentioned marrying a goat… well, it was being done in biblical times, which is quite … strange, wont go into detail as to why it was done, but it is in the bible… somewhere. This marriage deal will remain between 2 humans, don’t worry lol.
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Why aren’t bi-sexuals allowed two marriage partners? Marriage among homosexuals is a ridiculous sham, why not make it more so?
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The democrats have forced their will on the people of Minnesota with no regard for anything but another of their extreme fringe groups that makeup the larger extreme left democrat party.
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