by The Daily Republic
May 4, 2013 at 2:28 am in The Daily Republic
Salvation through Jesus Christ, freedom from sin and its nature, the hope of heaven, the fellowship of God, His love and the comfort of the Holy Spirit are real.
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That comment was predictable.
I’m not sure God desires to be empirically tested like some insignificant lab rat.
Our universe, more intricately and marvelously designed than the finest Swiss watch, was offered by the Creator as proof. Those who choose to insist it all came about by accident (contrary to well-settled principles of physics) will never be convinced otherwise, until they come face to face with their own anecdotal experience.
That’s why it’s called faith.
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Faith is certainly convenient as it apparently exempts the holder from having to provide any actual support for their belief. On the other hand, those who hold faith demand and require proof for each and every position held by those who may not believe.
As to the assertion that “[o]ur universe, more intricately and marvelously designed than the finest Swiss watch” is proof of a Creator is a very arrogant position which, at its core, is the believe that if you don’t understand something it must be attributable to a Creator. I struggle with calculus, but that does mean calculus is proof there is a God. Throughout history those of faith have repeated asserted that the unexplained is “proof” of a Creator only to subsequently discover that the world was in fact round, the earth does revolve around the sun, being struck by lightning isn’t the work of the Creator and a whole host of other discoveries. Again, I find it very arrogant to base your “faith” on that fact that there are things you can’t understand and therefore there must be a Creator.
Prayer, the subject of the letter, is also a very convenient tool. Every day people pray for their loved ones to be safe from harm and to free of sickness. Everyday some of those people die for which the explanation is that the death was “the will of the Creator”. Some people who receive no prayers remain safe and recover from their illnesses. So does prayer influence the Creator’s will? If it does, than it isn’t just the will of the Creator that determines life or death, but the quality of the prayer too. If prayer doesn’t influence the creator’s will it is unreasonable for the letter writer to attribute the “miraculous” recovery of his child to that prayer.
Faith can be a wonderful thing. Belief in a Creator can be a powerful tool to advance the justice, equality and humanity. But faith used blindly as a sword to attack those with different opinions and used as a shield to repel any contrary opinions is based in ignorance.
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An excellent response, very well written, which beautifully sums up the opposing viewpoint. Millions of folks would agree with you wholeheartedly.
On the other hand millions of folks also agree with my assessment and there is nothing arrogant about it. What might be arrogant would be to say, “because I can explain it, there MUST be no God” or “because I cannot prove God, He must not exist”.
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Dangerous theology happening here. Sorry. How dare anyone claim that God will heal one child over another? The implicit meaning is “God hears my prayers, God hears yours, but God chooses your child over mine?” Yes, I know “God has reasons.” Baloney. The human condition is not so easily understood and to place “God” in the middle of choosing one child over another is….well..awful… And yes, I know what scripture says….
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Luke 18:42 And Jesus said to him ,”Receive your sight; your faith has made you well”. Matthew 9:22 Jesus turned, and seeing her he said “Take heart, daughter; your faith has made you well”. Mark 5:34 And he said to her “Daughter, your faith has made you well ; go in peace, and be healed of your disease”. Notice Jesus didn’t say “God has made you well” or “I have made you well”. No he said “Your faith has made you well”. Nothing to do with choosing one person over another.
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Response #1 is simple and direct and spot on and is called predictable and brushed aside
Response #3 says the exact same thing but uses more detail and is treated with respect….interesting.
Mr. Smith- I really liked your response but I have a problem with 1 sentence…..”Belief in a Creator can be a powerful tool to advance the justice, equality and humanity. ” I guess I just don’t see it. In my mind it has been more of a hindrance to the virtues mentioned.
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Don, I think the operative phrase in the sentence you have commented on is “can be”. I agree that faith, and organized religion in particular, has at times been a hindrance to the virtues mentioned in my post. But there also positive examples of faith based motivation such as Martin Luther King’s non-violent faith based struggle for equal rights and Mother Teresa’s faith based work in India. I am certain that others could significantly increase my short list just as you could provide me with a lengthy list of examples where faith has hindered justice, equality and humanity. I applaud selfless acts intended to benefit others . . . but of course we can debate at length the definition of benefiting others. For example, I am certain some people would claim that opposing same-sex marriage is for the benefit of others while I am just as certain that there are people that claim supporting same-sex marriage is for the benefit of others. My dividing line is when the act is based exclusively on faith; Martin Luther King’s fight was for the equality of all people regardless of race and regardless of their religious beliefs, and Mother Teresa helped the needy regardless of their religious beliefs. In my opinion, opposition to same-sex is exclusively a matter of faith and simply a preference to impose a particular faith based preference on others. Now I will sit back and wait for the multiple posts that will try to educate me on how opposing same-sex marriage is preventing the utter and total collapse of Western Civilization.
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Sorry Joe but Dr King and Mother Theresa were not “faith based”. Yes, he was a minister but that wasn’t the driving force to his movement and yes, Mother Theresa was a Catholic nun but the start of her legacy was because she was ordered to go to the slums, she refused at first.
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