by The Daily Republic
April 14, 2013 at 4:45 am in The Daily Republic
In 2010, more than 38,000 people died in the U.S. from drug overdoses, far more than have been killed in the Iraq and Afghan wars combined.
Tags: Bill OReilly, columns, Opinion, updates 21 Comments »
I would invite you to read “The New Jim Crow Laws” and to watch “The House I live In.” I believe your stance on this is just another way to continue racial prejudice as well as the conservative war on the poor.
And to think, just a few weeks ago, you sir, had an article about the resurrection of Jesus. I am afraid you have no idea what true resurrection is about.
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How do the poor happen to have money for drugs but not the necessities of life if being anti-drug is a “war on the poor? The best treatment of drug dealers would be a fair trial and a speedy hanging. Bill O’reilly hit the nail on the head again. Great job Bill!
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Mr. O’Reilly, you sir, are the pinhead. The push to decriminalize drugs is concerning marijuana. Tell me, o wise one, how many marijuana overdoses there have been, ever? No one who is being taken seriously is trying to legalize hard drugs like heroin and meth. The devastation these drugs cause is horrendous. Lumping them with the current support of decrimalization of marijuana is absolutely disingenuous. And it is not only the “hollywood types” that support decriminalization. For the first time ever a majority of everyday Americans do. Locking people up for years for possessing a plant is not only a drain on resources and a waste of taxpayer dollars but an absolute travesty of justice.
“People who sell drugs like cocaine, meth, heroin and other opiates are certainly committing a violent act”
Pharmacuetical companies make billions selling “other opiates”. At the very least medical marijuana should be legalized. Why not? The only difference is that you have been told one is okay and the other is not. Pinhead.
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Please explain how sucking smoke of any kind into your lungs is good? How is it better than administering the drug in the form of a pill or injection?
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You can get weed in pill form? Good to know!! If I go to my pharmacist do I find them on the shelf next to the alcohol pills?
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Actually, there are researchers attempting to isolate the positive aspects of marijuana to create a pill form to eliminate the negative effects of having to smoke it. This may also get rid of some of the “getting high” aspect.
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Nobody has yet explained the goodness of smoke in the lungs.
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Probably a function of no one other than you suggesting its a good thing. You are the one who misread people’s statements to come up with that odd thought. It’s a time honored tactic when losing an argument to try to misstate your opponent’s arguments in a way you can refute (the strawman approach). Normally, people don’t make up such obviously silly strawmen, though.
So your philosophy is that access to more bad things is good? I hereby declare myself the winner of this argument.
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You would have to have actually put forth an ACTUAL argument to win. Admittedly, it makes it hard to respond to your “arguments” when you do not actually have any. Think about the silliness of boiling what I said to “having more access to bad things is good.” You have made no case that marijuana is bad. None. You argue taking smoke into people’s lungs is bad, that is one aspect. Which applies to tobacco smoking as well, yet that is not illegal. Lots of things have bad aspects. To demonstrate they are “bad” in general you need to show that across ALL of their effects they are bad. Which you have never even tried to do. People break their legs skiing (this is as true as taking smoke into the lungs is bad). Yet that negative consequence does not mean we make skiing illegal. So, rhetoric 101, examine my statements, consider their implications, and go do some reading on marijuana and marshal even one cogent argument to support your position. Just one.
But hey, in your head, you did win. And in your head you are also going to be a big star someday, win the lottery and become CEO of a big business. All of these are just as likely as you winning an argument.
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I’m already a CEO so two out of four isn’t bad.
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I wonder sometimes, do these commentators assume people will simply take their quoted statistics at face value?
So, lets deconstruct his claim. Yes, CDC reports over 38,000 drug overdose deaths in 2010. And the number is growing. What Mr O’Reilly did not mention is that most of the growth concerns prescription drugs, not the ones he is discussing. 60 percent of the 38,000 come from prescription drugs, opioids being the top group.
There are indeed a large number of deaths from cocaine and heroin (6000 and 2000 approximately), but these numbers are relatively stable, and very few people are trying to get these drugs legalized.
Another problem with the argument is that two drugs not included in these numbers are actually the first and third non natural causes of death in the US according to the CDC, tobacco and alcohol, with four times (tobacco) and two times (alcohol) of the other drugs combined (which, again, mostly comes from misuse of prescription drugs).
Another statistic Mr O’Reilly does not mention. US rate of incarceration: 716 in 100,000, easily the highest in the world. Some countries of note Cuba (7th, 510), Russian Federation (8th, 502), Iran (29th, 333), etc. We’re #1!
Oh, and it is estimated that 1 in 8 prisoners is incarcerated due to marijuana offenses.
And though extensive searches have bee done over the years, no marijuana overdose case has been found. The few marijuana death cases that have been noted involved the inhalation of vomit while passed out (which happens much more with alcohol).
But hey Mr O’Reilly, why let the truth get in the way of one misleading statistic? After your show, smoke a couple of cigarettes, head to the bar and down a couple of drinks and curse those darned drug users.
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So if something is worse then we can only draw the conclusion that makes marijuana good, mostly because the potheads want unfettered access to it.
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No, you are simply trying to restate the facts I put out there in a way that you think you can refute (or perhaps, in a way that YOU can understand).
I am not trying to suggest that marijuana is purely good or purely bad. Clearly it is a mixed bag (some good aspects, some bad). BUT, on a scale of various drugs, it is clearly less bad than alcohol and tobacco, which are both legal. And we have clear evidence that prohibition, which was the triggering event for organized crime, and the war on drugs, which has led to our massive prison population today, have turned out to be dismal failures (not to mention the extreme racial disparities associated with the war on drugs).
So, stop assuming you understand what I was trying to say, go back and read my statistics and then, if you can, give me a cogent argument that would justify keeping alcohol and tobacco legal and marijuana illegal. (Or feel free to stop commenting.)
Note that theories about marijuana as a gateway drug have been thoroughly disproved. Also, marijuana turns out to be less addictive than both tobacco and alcohol (with no physical addiction symptoms). So, if you have some other argument, please feel free to make it.
P.S. Note that I have tried marijuana in my life exactly twice, in college (over 20 years ago), and found it had no interest for me. So, clearly I am not a pothead, yet I believe (as do many others such as Ron and Rand Paul) that marijuana should be legal. Got any explanation for that??
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They are wrong.
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In other words: “I cannot refute your argument.”
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You are defending marijuana because you believe it to be beneficial but have offered no evidence that it is. The fact that ingesting smoke of any kind into one’s lungs is harmful is integral to this argument but is an inconvenient truth to marijuana’s defenders. I don’t want to pay for pothead’s oxygen machines any more than those for tobacco smokers. I’m not too thrilled about paying for heart lung or liver transplants for self destructive people of any persuasion, but that is exactly what I’m forced to do. I know you apologists for drug users think everyone else is stupid other than yourselves as evidenced by your posts but the fact is that marijuana has few, if any ,redeeming qualities no matter how you try to spin it.
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Ok, now I understand, you are a fan of the police state approach. If anything has a potential for negative side effects we should make it illegal. So, I guess we should outlaw driving, alcohol, tobacco, overeating, high-fructose corn syrup, skiing (possibility of broken limbs), mountain climbing (ditto), snowmobiling (people crash a lot), unprotected sex, reading (sedentary behavior, keeps people from exercising and getting more healthy), reading online discussion group (wastes time, may raise blood pressure), etc., etc.
So, O’Reilly gives us the argument that legalizing drugs is a big deal because of the misuse potential based on a misstatement of statistics, and your argument is based on the idea that its ok to outlaw something as long as it has some negative effects.
I guess we should be thankful you are not in a position to influence laws (just have to figure out what to do about O’Reilly).
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Drugs including marijuana have destroyed countless lives. The fact that abuse of other things destroys lives is a ridiculous attempt at justification for legalization of marijuana.Support for marijuana use is support for the murderous drug cartels in Mexico and elsewhere.
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Ugh. I hate that. You win, you successfully trolled me. You had me going right up until those last two lines. I could imagine someone believing your arguments right up to that point. But there is no one on the planet stupid enough to suggest that trying to make marijuana legal is supporting the cartels (like trying to argue that somehow it wasn’t prohibition, but people wanting to end prohibition that led to organized crime smuggling alcohol). So, yes, I did not figure it out until that statement. You have been fooling me this entire time. You are welcome to collect your points for trolling.
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The facts are troublesome things for you it seems.
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