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April 11, 2013 at 3:02 pm in The Daily Republic
Congresswoman: ‘We’ve got federal laws right now that aren’t being fully enforced.’ Continue Reading
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Kristi Noem sounds like a puppet for the NRA. Maybe some laws aren’t being enforced but currently a felon cannot walk into a gun store and walk out with a gun, however, they can walk into a gun show and walk out with any kind of a weapon they want without even a waiting period. I have asked before for someone to explain to me why expanding background checks would infringe on legal gun ownership’s rights and no one ever responds. I agree that criminals will still find other ways to obtain guns but we shouldn’t make it easy for them.
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Bob, the background check at every gun show will lead to one thing and one thing only, gun registry, they say it won’t, but I really have a hard time believeing that…….
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Why would that be a problem?
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Because it will eventually lead to gun confiscation……….
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You have to register your car….are they going to take that, no because that is used for transportation. You have to register to fish or hunt. I guess I don’t see the problem. Who is going to confiscate them? What are your grounds for those thoughts?
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Paranoid delusional with no basis in reality.
No one is coming to take away your guns.
Over 90% of Americans support background checks and with a number that high, it obviously includes members of the NRA, gun owners and stanch Republicans.
You and Noem are on the lunatic fringe.
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There’s one big difference between requiring cars to be registered and requiring guns to be registered. The United States constitution guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms. There is no such guarantee for cars.
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The 90% figure is a phony figure cooked up by the liberal media. Of course if you go out on the streets of New York to poll people you might come up with 90%. Now go and poll 1000 people in Missoula, Montana and report how many people think background checks need to be toughened. Go after the real problem which isn’t law abiding citizens but the mentally ill.
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I tell you, just after Sandy Hook, we TeaPublicans and our NRA (and Kristi Noem) were really worried because so many people got on the band wagon of gun control! But Wayne LaPierre, our NRA leader, was not going to put his tail between his legs and run away and hide. Within in week after the shootings he came out and told America that we would NOT support any type of gun control and also said we better arm teachers and have armed guards patrolling the buildings and grounds ….and then you liberal fools laughed at us and made fun of us! Yes, we TeaPublicans remember that day very well…how you treated us! And after we went through all of those attacks against us, all you ended up with is a water downed background check? Hahahaha! Saturday Night Live was 100% RIGHT when they said “The Senate has agreed to THINK about talking about gun control”. And you fools think YOU won because you got us to think about talking? Hahahaha! Now it’s we TeaPublicans, Kristi Noem and our NRA that’s getting the last laugh! Bahahaha! You smell that? Do you smell that? Victory, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. We TeaPublicans love the smell of Victory in the morning!
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Your posts are hilarious. I hope the humor is intended though, because otherwise the utter ridiculousness of everything you pound out on your keyboard is effectively shooting yourself in the foot.
Maybe if you’d like support for your position on a given topic, (which means you’d want folks to thoughtfully consider your comments), it would work to your advantage if you “dialed down the crazy” a notch or two.
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Over 3300 shooting deaths since Newtown. Do you smell that? Nothing else smells like that. It’s the smell of death. What a proud moment for you.
Noem should be ashamed.
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How many people have died of emphysema in the last year and yet the left advocates the unhindered smoking of marijuana? How many deaths have occurred from people, under the influence of drugs, smashing into other people and killing or maiming them and yet the left sings the praises of unfettered use of drugs?
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I always have to read your posts several times. Not because their thought provoking in any way it just takes some time to try to figure out what in the world your talking about.
I think you posted to the wrong thread.
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“yet the left sings unfettered praise for illegal drug use”
I don’t even know what to say to that.
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To be fair, Noem is right, there ARE laws on the books that are not enforced. What she perhaps missed is that Congress (the body she happens to be part of) is responsible for the failure to enforce the rules, as has been documented lots of places. The funniest version of this was presented by Jon Stewart back on January 16:
Maybe Noem could hire someone to catch her up on the job? I mean, to be fair, she’s only been a congresswoman for 2 years, but you would think the “enforce the existing laws” would sound kind of hollow given all of the efforts congress has made to prevent enforcing those laws. Oh, sorry, she wants NRA money, and has to stick to the talking points. Got it.
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naughtydog said: On April 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM Paranoid delusional with no basis in reality.
No one is coming to take away your guns.
Over 90% of Americans support background checks and with a number that high, it obviously includes members of the NRA, gun owners and stanch Republicans.
First off, I would love to know who did this poll that claims 90% favor this………………….and yes, I will probably never see my guns taken away from me in my lifetime, but I worry about my kids and their kids down the road, history always has a ways of repeating itself…….and if your naive enough to think this could never happen, then good for you, but i’m not buying into it…..
Like Noem said, enforce the laws we have first ……………
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“Like Noem said”
Cut spending…..How’s that going? (by the way,Congress spends…not the president)
Close loopholes…How’s that going?
Get the Farm Bill….how’s that going?
Enforce the laws in place…..I have a pretty good idea how that will go.
Yes, she is one person in Congress but let’s face it, she’s not a leader. She does what she’s told.
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I really don’t think she has caused all them problems, she stated that she doesn’t support background checks and your blaming her for all od those problems, I think you should start at the top, where most of the blame should be…………
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No, she didn’t cause the problems…didn’t say she did. What I’m saying is she has run twice for office on the platform of going to Washington to fix said problems…(tapping foot, check watch)……still waiting.
She has not done anything, nada, zip, zero, zilch, zippo….I think you get the picture (and that’s just the z’s).
Again…she does what she is told.
As far as going to the top.
Ms.Noem and her party have made it absolutly clear that if the President says black (no joke there), they say white. They will do everything they can to obstruct any movement at all.
How’s that working?
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Well Don, I will agree with your accessment of the parties not working together, and both way’s I might add, there is blame for all side’s to this……but that’s a whole other agenda that will never go away also…….
I respect everyone’s opinion on the background checks, I just personally don’t think it will do anything to curb the violent behavior of some people…..
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“Like Noem said, enforce the laws we have first”
which of course would work well, if only Congress (and largely the Republicans in Congress) hadn’t passed a whole load of laws preventing those laws from being actually being enforced. Watch the links I provided above to Jon Stewart talking about the many ways those laws have been made unenforceable by Congress.
Gotta love the chutzpah of a politician willing to get up and say “enforce the existing laws” when she is part of the group that passed laws to PREVENT enforcing the existing laws.
Seems like the logical conclusion of her statement would be “you know, you ought to vote people like me out of office in order to get the existing laws enforced.”
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You can blame her and all of congress, GOP, Democrats or whatever branch you want, until we as a society can get a grip on what all this violence and hatred is coming from, you can do all the background checks in the world, ban all the guns in the world, and you know what, your still going to have evil people doing evil things, what are we going to do to stop all this??
The bombing in Boston, how are we going to stop evil people from doing this type of violence, if you think background checks is going to stop all violence, well, you must live in a different world than I do.
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No, you can’t stop evil but doesn’t exist worldwide? You don’t see the level of gun violence in other countries that you see here. Why? (and please don’t point out the 3rd world countries that have political problems i.e. in Africa/Mexico) Did we corner the market on evil?
Back round checks would do little or nothing……but at least it’s a start!! People like Noem and Thune don’t want to do ANYTHING!!! They think everything is just OK……..it’s not.
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I’m not sure why we have so much violence in america, maybe our laws are not strict enough, too much hatred amongst mankind, I don’t have a answer.
But blaming all the violence on firearms isn’t fair either….
You look at the last 3 mass shootings and there was warning signs that these people were not stable, yet they somehow slipped thru the cracks and commited horrible act’s toward mankind, why ??? That’s what we have to get figured out…
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But it is fair to blame firearms, they are the common denominator. That was the point to the knife reference. Bad day, drugs, mental illness doesn’t matter, they didn’t kill anyone. Do you really think the results would be the same if they had a gun?
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How about this.
The knife attack in Houston not long ago that injured 14. How many would have been killed if it was a gun? Yeah,yeah, I know. Knives don’t kill people do….but guns make it a lot easier.
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Don, leave the weapon out of this and ask yourself, why did he commit this crime ??? Instead of blaming the weapon everytime…
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So, because background checks don’t solve the problem completely then we shouldn’t try them? Cory Booker, mayor of Newark notes, having done the research, that all but one of the cases of gun violence in his city for several years involved guns purchased at secondary markets (gun shows), so background checks would help reduce the problem. As Booker said, its a bit like doing security at airports and just letting 40% of the people on the planes without doing any checks whatsoever.
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Noem’s reasoning was word for word what the President of the NRA said in an interview with Anderson Cooper last week. Now I see that you also get your news from the NRA as well. If I was a criminal I would be watching for gun shows so I can shop for a weapon of choice. I feel that if we can prevent one innocent person from dying it would be worth it but apparently there are some, including members of Congress, that don’t agree.
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Go ahead and shop BOB. You will still have to go through a background check at the gun show the same as you would if you went to a gun shop. Buy a firearm through Gunbroker? Guess what. If it’s a modern firearm made since 1898 and not a muzzleloader you will have to have it sent to a FFL dealer who will run you through the NICS background check before you can take possession of it. Most likely the dealer will charge you $20 to $30 for the firearms transfer. How do I know all this? Because I’ve done it. Have you?
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In what state did you do it? And did the person you purchase from have an FFL?
Background checks are indeed required when you purchase from someone with a FFL, but only a handful of states require background checks if the purchase is made from someone who is not a licensed dealer (the resulting transaction is considered as if you are selling the gun at home). States that do require the checks for all guns include CA, CO, CT, IL, NY, OR, RI and four more for handgun purchases HI, MD, NJ and PA. On the east coast, purchases are made most often at gun shows in VA, the I-95 corridor brings the guns north. In the southwest, Texas is the state for purchasing guns.
Of course, with the introduction of the internet, you also have the added possibility of making use of websites such as armslist.com .
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Very very few of the sellers at gun shows are non FFL holders. Since the mandatory NICS checks I have only purchased guns from FFL holders in South Dakota. I have purchased guns from gunbroker.com and I had to have them sent to a Minnesota FFL holder. I’ve never committed a crime yet my attempt to purchase a M-1 from CMP didn’t go through because my NICS check got put on “delay”. Not a denial to purchase just a “delay” and the CMP will only wait a short time for an answer before cancelling an order. Now tell us all again how easy it is to purchase a gun without going through a background check BOB. Better yet purchase a gun without the background check and report back to us how easy it was.
Slight correction. I’ve only purchased firearms at gun shows in South Dakota in recent years. I’ve also purchased firearms from Minnesota FFL dealers at their shops. Handguns have to be transferred through a FFL holder in your state of residence.
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To say that having to register a car is different than registering a gun because the Constitution gives us the right to own a gun is absurd. The Constitution also gives us the right to vote, which we have to REGISTER to do.
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That is part of the problem, many people already believe that all gun shows are required to do background checks.
Watch the following video and then tell me that this isn’t a problem.
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“The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”. Registration is an INFRINGMENT!!! As far as I know not even extreme liberals like Obama and The Brady Center are not pushing for registration. If you don’t like the Second Amendment try to change the Constitution. Don’t try to subvert it. Making it harder for law abiding people to defend themselves with a gun makes them LESS safe not more safe. Even Biden was forced to admit he didn’t how how reliable some of the statistics (40% of gun purchases not going through a background check) are and the reason for that is the 40% figure is a very old number that is no longer true. Thankfully we have members of congress like Kristi Noem who won’t submit to the gun ban hysteria currently going through the ranks of liberals.
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“The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”
For what it’s worth, that’s the NRA’s version of the second amendment. The actual second amendment goes a little like this:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
I have no dog in this fight, but why do you suppose the NRA’s version conveniently leaves out words like “militia” and “well-regulated”? And when folks like Noem step up and “defend” the second amendment, which version are they defending, and why?
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The United States Supreme court already ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to own firearms without onerous restrictions. Registration isn’t going to happen and neither are most of the other knee jerk reactions the liberals are proposing. Mark Kelley recently tried to buy an AR-15 trying to prove how easy it is to buy an “assault weapon”. He passed the background check but when he started telling everyone he wasn’t buying the rifle for himself but was going to donate it the FFL dealer cancelled the sale and rightly so because it would have been a “straw purchase”. Why was Mark Kelley not prosecuted for breaking the law attemping to make a straw purchase? Was it because he has become well known as the husband of Gabrielle Giffords? ENFORCE THE LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS!!!!
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lamthenra, I’ve given up trying to reason with a liberal, all these guns laws they’re trying to pass will only hurt the law abiding citizen, do they really think a criminal goes to gun shows and buys weapons, they steal just about everything they need.
As I’ve stated before, until we control the viloent behavior of certain people and try and figure out why, nothing will change, even if the background had passed……..
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“lamthenra, I’ve given up trying to reason with a liberal”
Did you mean me? Just curious, because when I post is other threads, (ACS stuff for example), then I’m “obviously a right-winger” according to lots of folks…
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I posted what I posted because the NRA, (especially), and other groups as well seem as if they view the second amendment as being the very cornerstone of their existence. I just find it odd that if they view the second amendment with such reverence, why is there any need to paraphrase?
Stated another way, what in the world do you suppose the NRA’s reaction would be if the folks on the other side of the aisle came up with their own paraphrased version? I guarantee the NRA president would be at the podium immediately pounding his fist and shaking his finger at the raw nerve it took to change any wording of the sacred constitution.
I guess I’d just like to see a bumper sticker or something else from the NRA with the text as it’s written….
How come this conversation always centers in on “criminals?” Yes, criminals will continue to get guns, but the school, theater, etc. shootings that have happened have not been done by the criminals you are speaking of. They have been done by the students of the school (columbine) and the boys of the neighborhood (mostly white boys) who gained access to guns either through the internet or their own homes! The criminals you speak of don’t go into schools and shoot children because they are out there doing criminal activities. Rick Warren’s son just committed suicide with a gun he got over the internet. Come on gentleman quit focusing on criminals and start talking about the real issue. Moreover, currently this has been a “white” dialogue because the white majority is upset that our schools are involved. What about the inner city genocide that has been going on for years? Maybe that doesnt count cause those are poor black neighborhoods. They don’t count….
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Kristi, what is the real issue then ??
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to add to this point
There have been other posts about poll numbers being 90% for backround checks being “made up”. They’re not, they’re just not a reflection on SD thinking. Some said if you poll 1000 people in Montana it would be different. Yes it would because like here everyone has guns and use them in a responsible manner. You grew up with them and to you it’s no big deal…..and that’s fine. But most populated places are not like here and Montana. Where I grew up the counties were about the same size 423/451 sq. miles. The big difference is where I grew up there were 1.5 MILLION people. That’s almost 2x the population of the state in the county I live in now. If you poll them, you’ll get your 90%. When you get that many people in a small area and everyone has a gun……you’re gonna have problems…..and it is those areas that have the problems. Our representatives are supposed to our voice in Washington but they are also responsible for the big picture. We fought a Civil War because the south had representatives voted for a way of life that was wrong. How about some representation for what is right. The love affair with guns in the U.S. is out of hand.
All the posts about having to protect ourselves. 3300 dead since Newtown and I don’t remember any mention of anyone stepping in and protecting the victims. Yes, some will come up with anecdotal stories of some grandmother pulling a gun to protect themselves but you will be hard pressed to come up with 3300 saved in the same time period.
No one is talking about taking guns away but we have to do something about stopping the carnage.
Don, obivously we come from different backgrounds, let me ask you this Don, what would you do or want to combat the violence ???
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Putting myself in Noem’s place and understand I am a gun owner and love hunting…….
I would approve the back round checks, I would approve a ban on assault weapons (really, what do you need one for), I would approve a ban on large capacity magazines (can’t use them for hunting anyway).
How would these things truly change the lives of people in SD.
Do you think these laws would change violent behavior in people ??
My whole problem of all these guns laws, when we we address mental illness and violence in these people before they get their hands on the guns…….they always talk gun control before we talk of the real issue’s that are harming society.
I guess we will agree to disagree on this issue, but I thank you for the debate…….
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I would clean up inner cities and bring back the factory jobs that caused so many of the new criminals to be out of work. But that’s just me…
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AR-15 type firearms are very popular for coyote and other varmint hunting and yes you can use large capacity magazines for varmint hunting. The AR platform is very versatile because you can get upper receivers in various calibers to mate with the lower receiver. You can even get .410 shotgun uppers to put on your AR lower. .22 rimfire uppers are available making the AR a small game rifle. Anyone who says AR-15 type rifles aren’t used for hunting doesn’t know what they are talking about. There are many calibers available for the AR including suitable deer cartridges. Sure maybe people don’t need a so called “assault weapon” but no one needs a 600 horsepower sports car either. That’s whats great about living in America. We live in a free society where people are free to follow their pursuit of happiness. Firearms hobbyists enjoy firearms in much the same way that car enthusiasts enjoy their vehicles.
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Oh Please! We win. They Lose. The 2nd Amendment is Safe! A big thank you to all of our Republican legislators and especially Senators Cruz, Lee and Paul. These American Patriots put a stop to ANY legislation that would undermine our God-given, fundamental RIGHT to keep our guns! These God-given rights to keep our guns is right in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution and we TeaPublicans and our NRA are not going to let anyone change it! We stopped the gun grabbers! And then you have that guy obama crying in the Rose Garden because he didn’t get his way and blames our NRA for standing up for America! Oh BoooHooo! Yes it WAS a “pretty shameful day for Washington,” to see the President crying like a baby! I guarantee you that Mitt Romney wouldn’t have been crying. I just can’t wait until 2014 and 2016 when we TeaPublicans finally take back our America! Then finally our Constitution will be safe!
Stay consistent TeaP…you are definitely entertaining.
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The leftist crowd has used incrementalism to bring the United States to the brink of collapse so it is not surprising that people are no longer stupid enough to believe a democrat when he says “trust me”.
I rest my case for backround checks
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Three people were killed and dozens more badly injured by pressure cooker bombs of all things. If the bomb maker had been better at bomb making it could have been much worse. Should we now get hysterical and demand background checks for anyone buying a pressure cooker or register pressure cookers? Bad people intent on mayhem will find a way to kill. By the way more people are killed by blunt objects, knives, and hands combined than the so called “assault weapons” Obama, Feinstein and their ilk want to badly to ban.
Yup, as I said last time I provided a link to that table, its pretty clear that with the huge number of handgun murders, background checks could have a pretty strong effect on our murder rate.
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What a twisting of facts
According to your link……Murders by firearms-8583….by blunt objects, knives, and hands combined-2918…….nothing specific on assault weapons.
Most “assault weapons” would fall under the rifle classification. Since rifles account for a very small percentage of murders why do liberals like Obama and Feinstein persist in trying to ban them when they know very well they aren’t going to prevail. Even Democrat senators like Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Max Baucus of Montana not only oppose the “assault weapon” ban but they also oppose expanding background checks.
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Mea Culpa………I never looked at SD rules, I went by the state I came from.
” Firearms hobbyists enjoy firearms in much the same way that car enthusiasts enjoy their vehicles.”
Not to be a wise guy (maybe) but to compare enthusiasm for a mode of transportation to enthusiasm for something made to kill seems odd………but I get your point, I don’t agree. No, no one needs a 600hp car, but here’s the funny thing. You’re restricted on how fast you can go.
I believe the 90% favoring stronger background checks must have been a very small number of people polled and possibly all in an urban area. I’ve been following all the gun legislation articles on the Yahoo News website and the thumbs up ratings are roughly 20 to 1 of thumbs down ratings for comments opposing any new firearms legislation. I believe the 90% number is just wishful thinking on the part of the liberal media.
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