Fargo gun show busy, but no ‘landslide’ of attendees like in other areas
January 5, 2013 at 11:31 pm in Grand Forks Herald
Event manager Bill Braun said more than 2,600 people had stopped by the Civic Center show by 3 p.m. on its first day, putting the event on pace to break its usual attendance of about 3,000 over the course of two days. Continue Reading
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Why would criminals go out and buy something they can easily steal from a neighbor or family member? Most vendors at gun shows are gun shop owners who are required to do a background check before transferring the gun.
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Can you give us the percentage of criminals that obtain their guns at gun shows, as opposed to theft, or acquiring them by other means? If not, you are just blowing hot air — which seems endemic in the prog community.
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as usual you are spouting off about something you know nothing about. I was at that gun show this weekend. I picked up two new firearms. I had to fill out a form with all of my personal information including my SSN and both dealers called into a central back ground check to ensure that I was cleared to purchase said weapons.
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So you’re willing to give up some of your Constitutional rights because a criminal performed an illegal act? Tell me, oh wise one, how many of the firearms used in the mass shooting since Columbine have been acquired at a gun show? How many of those filled out the proper paperwork, just as they would have done at the dealer’s store?
Here’s what I would like you to answer: Do you think the people would be any less dead if a shooter bought his gun from his neighbor, than if he purchased it from a non-dealer at a gun show?
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Do you think there should be background checks for person-to-person sales of motor vehicles? Used vehicles have killed more people than guns have.
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You don’t have to have a drivers license to buy a car.
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You do need to register it, and if you want to do more than to look at it or just drive it on your property (Which I guess could be a long ways if you live on the Ponderosa) then you do indeed need a license .
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You only have to have a drivers license, and register it, and have insurance on a car, if you want to operate it LEGALLY. If you are going to break the law, you can still own it and operate it without any of those things…………of course that would make you a criminal.
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There is no such thing as a “gun show loophole”. The private individual setting up a table at a gun show could just as easily set up a table in his front yard. Why don’t you call it a “front yard loophole”?
You progs have convinced the typical low-information Obama voter that anyone can walk into a gun show and purchase any weapon they want (including automatic weapons). This is blatantly false. Now stop it — you’re needlessly frightening the poor sods.
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Pretty much this. I purchased my first hunting rifle at a garage sale back when I was 16 and went hunting with it that fall.
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The lady called my mom and asked if it was ok.
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I know some states require kids under a certain age to take a safety course before they can get a hunting license. Does ND & MN? How about for just owning a gun?
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How foolish is that? It’s one thing to dislike a statement….but a mere question? Dumb da dumb dumb…..
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What he is saying is that there is no law limiting you from selling your personal property to anyone. There isn’t ONE thing that you own that you cannot sell to someone else.. So now tell me how forcing me to perform a background check on someone I might potentially sell a gun have stopped Sandy Hook.
1) His mother purchased the guns legally
2) He stole the guns and killed his mother
How would have what you are asking for stopped that or any of the other incidents?
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Why make a law if
1) It isn’t going to be enforced
2) That can’t enforce it?
So lets just put a law on the books to feel good about ourselves and let the world know we are doing something… just wow.
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I think ‘ Plaxico (Not sure how he spells his name) might think the gun laws disagree with that. He not only accidentally shot himself in the ass, but ended up spending several months in prison for possession……..laws can and have been enforced.
If we had that attitude that we just can’t enforce laws then just think of how many trucks would still be running down the road with people who barely understood more than how to move them forward. At one time our laws and regs were that lax and there were real piles of junk on the road with drivers who might have drive a little farm truck now operating a much bigger tractor and trailer. Now we’re a bit over regulated and frequently checked both on the road and within fleets. The industry has very qualified drivers driving vehicles that pass all the safety regs…no junk….go along the Mexican border to look at trucks that don’t have the same strict regs.
Point is….We can and will enforce laws that promote safety. You think the trucking industry hasn’t tried to get out of all these regs that cost them money? In the long run you can feel a lot safer going down the road with big trucks because the trucks are safer, the drivers have periodic drug tests, and now with Elogs we’re forced in at least ten hour breaks, and only eleven hours of driving. Sounds like a lot? In the outlaw run days I’d sometimes do maybe sixteen hour days to make it to a destination on time with produce…..Sure glad those days are done
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A farmer can put anyone with a drivers license in a semi. They don’t have to have any experience driving it, or take a test, or have a CDL.
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Apparently it’s been a very long time since you’ve talked to anyone about who can operate farm trucks…Even straight dump trucks they often use for beets.
The only place a farmer could allow someone to operate either a semi or straight truck with just a regular driving license would be on the farmers land only. The driver couldn’t even cross the road legally without either a class B for a straight truck or a class A for a semi. Once they made straight trucks have a class B requirement they really had a tough time finding drivers for harvest. Class A requires learning the regs and passing the tests. It’s enough of an ordeal that unless they plan to drive for more than harvest “Most” drivers don’t go through the ordeal.
Long gone are the days when anyone with a regular license could hop in a truck at harvest time. If you know someone who is doing this you should tell them to check out the law, because if they’re stopped or get into an accident…..Wow would it be expensive
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I have a class A so I’m not sure what regs they need to learn for a class B but I know it’s a scaled down version. I know the primary concern was to test for competency because of exactly what you suggest was the way it used to be….Anyone with a regular license would jump in at least a straight truck. After too many bad accidents from drivers who didn’t have enough experience to be competent they really cracked down on needing the Class B endorsement to drive a truck off the farm. I guess they can still have 12 year olds operating trucks in the field, but they can’t drive off the property
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“Apparently it’s been a very long time since you’ve talked to anyone about who can operate farm trucks…Even straight dump trucks they often use for beets.”
“Long gone are the days when anyone with a regular license could hop in a truck at harvest time. ”
You are wrong Tundra. A farmer can put any licensed driver into any truck he owns on any road, as long as it’s with a certain mile radius of his farm. I believe it’s 50 or 100 miles.
They do not need a class B or a CDL.
Check it out, I know this to be fact.
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Here it it Tundra, check it out.
http://www.dmv.org/nd-north-dakota/cdl-faqs.php
Any farmer driving a two-axle, tandem axle, or truck-tractor farm vehicle for the purpose of moving farm machinery, produce or farm supplies within 150 miles of his or her farm does not need a CDL.
Any farmer transporting hazardous material within 150 miles of his farm does not need a hazardous material endorsement.
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As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
The Second Amendment is not about hunting and sportsmanship. It is about the security of a FREE STATE; and if a person fears the repression and abuse brought about by corrupt government, they also fear when that government prepares to take action to burden the ability to buy, possess, and train with the weapons CITIZENS (We the People) require to maintain freedom. This also includes ammunition needed to make the weapon effective.
History has plenty of examples of corrupt government restricting civilian firearms ownership before becoming outright abusive. We’re seeing it happen…again…right here.
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“corrupt government”
isn’t this what we already have? the complaints before Sandy Hook were that the lobbyists own Washington not the people. I would say that is corrupt.
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You are so right Schurkey!
It is not about a militia to defend us against foriegn enemies, we have the armed forces for that. It is to protect us from our own government. And to those of you that wonder why we would need that, think back to 1776. That is exactly what we did, we defended ourselves with our own weapons against our own government that was abusing us.
I look at it this way, not only is it our RIGHT, but it is our DUTY, to bear arms.
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Every government from the beginning of time until now has become corrupt and abusive if it’s allowed to survive long enough.
It’s not a matter of “if”, it’s a matter of “when”.
The first thing a corrupt government does is disarm the population. It’s the rattle before the snake bite.
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I don’t agree with you often. But I wish I could thumb this up more than once.
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I’ll answer your question when you answer mine. Oh and BTW there are already ‘front yard sales of guns’.. They are called garage sales.
You sit here and think that you are on some high moral ground. You are nothing more than tool that those who want to trash out constitution use to justify their actions. You are a sheeple.
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I’ve been to some auction sales that had guns on them.
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Gee, Ron, what is the problem you have with south central LA? Careful, you’re starting to sound like a reconstruction southern Democrat now.
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I think that you or I should be able to sell any property they see fit to whom they see fit as long as it is done within the confines of the law.
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So what is stopping California from enforcing its own gun laws, or Illinois for that matter? A one size fits all federal legislation isn’t the answer. States should regulate themselves. California has the toughest gun laws in this country, they also by population have the highest gun crime levels.
“figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year – 1,790, which is 68% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3.25 per 100,000 people in the state”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
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California, Toughest gun laws, highest crime rate, highest murders, also state with the most antigun nut jobs. surprise…. surprise….
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Geez Ron, do we have to give you a lesson on the 10th Amendment, as well as the 2nd?
BTW: You really need to learn how to use the ‘Reply’ button.
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You have a severe problem with circumventing answering questions ron. Seriously. What is wrong with those places enforcing the laws they already have established. It is proven statistically that they have a worse crime problem then we have here in North Dakota. Is that because of the cultural differences? Is it nature vs nurture? Who knows. However the statistics are there to prove they are more callous about life.
As of this point I’m done with my discussions with you. I’m labeling you as a forums troll, because you don’t want to have a discussion, you want to ridicule and inflame.
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Yippee!!!! Just when the other gun topic was getting too long…They put on another one. Have to admit…It’s more interesting than most of the others
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So today there was another shooting.. In California.. The state with the STRONGEST gun control laws in the country. The kid used a shotgun. So are shotguns on the block next?
This is what I know..
1) There were NO shootings like this when I was kid and went to school. The worst thing I had to worry about was someone pulling down my gym shorts in PE, or someone calling me out to a fist fight across the street from school.
2) Since I was a kid, the Democrats have changed parenting to the point where parents can no longer discipline their children!!!!
3) Coincidence? I don’t think so. I think we need to let parents parent the child they bring into the world. Every child is different and some children need a stronger hand then others.
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I’m not even going to go over all that except to one point….This damn PC crowd who does most of that isn’t really just right or left…I think that goes across the board. On the other hand though I went to school at a time when they didn’t exercise much respect for dignity when dealing out punishments so in a way they did kind of bring a lot of that on themselves. Ever have to grab ankles in PE or some sport and get the thick Board Of Education whacked on your arse in front of the rest of the class….While wearing those thick gym trunks that might have been a centimeter thick? That’s they kind of thing that got parents up in arms about corporal punishment
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State controlled compulsory education.
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Don’t forget about many that carried pocket knives in school, nobody cared about it. Even made knives in shop class.
True, the biggest worry was someone yanking your pants down or grabbing your underwear and yank so hard the elastic band ripped. Falling asleep in class followed by a spray from water bottle or teacher slapping ruler on edge of desk. I for one will never allow any video game in the house since kids can go outside, do some work instead of play some mindless game.
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Your right, but man can you find plenty to get into outside. Especially when you’re young and full of energy and adventure….Especially if you’re not afraid of things like heights, or water….. It’s a wonder we all made it out alive back then…Or at least still able to walk and have all our digits…….Good enough to play computer games as an old guy anyway
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http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html
Shame on this officer for leaving his children at home!!! This day and age they should have been riding with him in his squad car where they would be safe. The burglars could have come in and done their job, and nobody would have been hurt.
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Daughter would have been raped and then murdered and the son would have been hung out to dry if he didn’t have those weapons. I’m just sorry he didn’t get a kill shot.
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His kid did the right thing, good job to him! The only good place for a burglar is flat on the floor!
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http://fox6now.com/2013/01/09/robbery-suspect-pulls-knife-clerk-pulls-gun/
Typical gun nut, not playing fair!!!!
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My personal favorite of the week … was the mother in Loganville, GA who protected her two kids when an intruder broke into their home. Just two weeks before her husband took her to the gun range to show her how to shoot.
I recently read that around 2800 people a day in this country are protected each day with privately owned firearms. 2800 … but we aren’t told the stories of their heroics.
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Could someone answer one question? Do assault rifles shoot faster than semiautomatic hunting rifles or is it they just look nasty.
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They just look nasty, they fire just as fast as a semi automatic hunting rifle.
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Dc, Can you cite the article where that “fact” came form?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8D8b51EwrI&feature=youtu.be
Piers Morgan is the next Ernie Pyle!!!! Only more Rugged!!!!
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Wow five times in the face and neck!!!! Thats just uncalled for!!! Great marksmanship! But uncalled for. She could have sent the twins out to him, he looked like a big softy that would have melted at the sight.
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The 2nd amendment was provided to placate the Confederacy who needed militias to enforce slavery. The Constitution would not have been ratified without allowing the South to enforce slavery with weapons available to them.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/home-invasion-gun-rights/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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