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November 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm in Grand Forks Herald
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“We’ll be bridging the gap for young school children who don’t receive enough to eat when they leave school on Friday.”
Free food at school, free food on weekends…what kind of people are these? Parents who can’t or won’t feed their kids should be in prison.
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It is really sad because a good number of these parents are on food stamps. Who are they selling the benefit cards to? You are right, they need to feed their kids especially since since the taxpayers are supporting many of them.
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Oh yes….The Regan Welfare Queens who play the system to get rich…..Have either of you ever been around actual poverty? I doubt it because such calluse ignorance would seem to indicate otherwise. Yes…There’s always going to be somebody trying to play the system, but that’s the exception….Not the rule. Most people in poverty are often doing all they can to make ends meet, and are often coming up short…Now more than ever with the consistant cost of living rising. What’s really sick is people blaming the poor for being poor because of some foolish notion that it’s always just a matter of being too lazy to work….In general there’s many reasons why people are poor and have trouble rising above it….Of course good folks like yourselves are generally behind getting rid of programs designed to actually help improvished people to find gainful employment and get back on their feet….Why spend good money on the poor since they want to be poor and get all the great bennies from the government? How damn ignorant is that?
Go volunteer at one of these meals or such. Get around actual improvished people….I swear…It wont somehow infect you so you become improvished……Many of them will truely surprise you….Especially with the preconcieved notions you have about the poor. Stop blaming the poop for being poor….That’s just wrong on so many levels
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“The poop for being poor” Talk about one of the worse places to have a typo…
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” Parents who can’t or won’t feed their kids should be in prison.”
Who is going to feed the kids then? The workhouse? The foster care system that cannot find placement for the kids they already have?
You scare me sometimes. Thank God for one man one vote. Can you imagine a world where there are more of you and less of us?
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” Can you imagine a world where there are more of you and less of us?”
I can: Lower taxes, less Government waste, less Government power, less Government intrusion into the lives of the ordinary citizen.
More money in our pockets, more voluntary charity, more freedom.
Less money exported to Communist China, more money in our own economy.
Big Business has less influence; more power to the workforce.
A world where the Citizen is supported by the Constitution, instead of the Constitution being undermined by hordes of Elected Criminals.
Yep, that’s pretty terrifying. Better keep things the way they are.
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The only problem with your utopia Schurkey is what do you do when voluntary fails? We tried that remember? Open up your HS history book and read about the abuses of the industrial revolution (worker safety, child labor laws, etc etc etc). My comment about the workhouse should have triggered “more porridge please” in your mind, or George C. Scott as Scrooge.
As a nurse the concepts of food, shelter, and the lower rungs of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs is a very real part of my existence. I do not have the luxury of getting philosophical about it.
So…when the church fails to do what Christ commanded it to do and provide for the poor (it fails routinely) do I let the kid starve because his/her parents are losers?
Do I take the kid away from the parents and place them in the care of the state (Orphanages were done away with for a reason. Institutionalized physical and sexual abuse went out of favor after WWII).
What do I do with the kiddos?
Your voluntary contributions smack of voluntary deportation. Another great sound bite with absolutely no realistic value whatsoever.
Your turn Sara Palin. Tell me what to do with the kids and I might sign on
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Seems we’ve got an abundance of people who’ve decided it’s a good idea to have more children than they can feed.
We’ve got NO RIGHT to complain about, (and feel superior because of) the child abuse/child neglect on the Reservation, when parents right here can get by without providing appropriate food for their kids–and then choosing to dump the financial burden of their children on Society as a result.
Pawn the DVD player, buy milk and bread and peanut butter.
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Is this a full-throated endorsement of Planned Parenthood? Or are you engaging in some magical thinking?
I do agree whi you about the majority’s false sense of superiority when it comes to our ability to do the right thing. I believe my comments about removing the plank from our own eyes before going after the speck in theirs proved this out.
I work with society’s downtrodden for a living. Many are there because they choose to be (alcoholics who can’t hold a job, drug addicts, “I’m too nervous around people to work,” etc.). I do not have a problem with people making a choice and then living with the results.
The majority of people do not fit this mold. Their reasons for being are much more complex. Also, the majority of poor are working poor and only in poverty for short periods of time.
You have to be careful not to lump everyone together.
Your wholesale, broad brush approach to poverty makes for a great sound bite, but a completely ineffective social policy.
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Thank you…I’m glad someone else is pointing that out. I think a lot of people look at the improverished like some zoo animals that they only dare get so close to. They also get right wing wack jobs blathering about how these people just want to live off everyones taxes so they’re just a bunch of lazy no accounts. I’ve spent a lot of time throughout my life with a lot of very poor people and like you say…There’s those who are addicted one way or other and in a downword sprial often taking families with them. Then there’s all the rest who are where they’re at for many different reasons. Some eventually rise above it, but others have all the can do just to provide a warm place to sleep and enough to eat.
I think one of the reasons there’s such negative response to the poor locally by a few is because our poor are not in any real ghetto settings. We don’t get into the kind of neighborhoods that you can just see there’s barely anything going for it, and the people there have a daily struggle. I think a couple years ago someone in human service pointed out that most people up here don’t even realize we have homeless people because they’re basically either with friend, relitives, or shelters. So these stories about some guy who knows some guy who doesn’t work but is living off the fat of the land and our taxes come crawling out of the wood work as if the urban ledgened is factual….And thus the entire population of poor people are JUST LIKE THAT GUY…
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Schurkey: were you not against insurance companies paying for birth control a while back? Do you think there should be a financial needs test to have sex? Did you pass this test your first few years?
Think instead of just feel. Emotional arguments are great sound bites but ridiculous social policy. Why do you think Palin and Bachmann are jokes. People enjoy listening to their rhetoric, they are just not interested in having them wield any real power
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” Do you think there should be a financial needs test to have sex? ”
There needs to be thought given to financial responsibility when having KIDS. Society–incorrectly–does not encourage this. Elected Criminals have provided exactly the opposite: such a huge “safety net” that irresponsible breeding is actually encouraged.
Have kids? Pay for them yourself. The threat of prison time for failing your children will scare 100 borderline deadbeats into providing for their kids–or not having kids to begin with–for every one that actually ends up in prison. Overall, society wins; and wins BIG.
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“The threat of prison time for failing your children will scare 100 borderline deadbeats into providing for their kids–or not having kids to begin with–for every one that actually ends up in prison.”
Those laws are already on the books. You CAN go to prison for failing to pay child support. You CANNOT leave the country if you are behind on your child support. You WILL NOT get a tax return or your lottery winnings if you are behind on child support. Your student loans will be garnished if you are behind on your child support.
The trouble is dead beat parents are just that … dead beats. They are not Beverly Hills gynecologists out to stiff their ex’s.
What you are suggesting already exists. It is failing.
What is your next suggestion.
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I am not a bleeding heart. I am a pragmatist. Give me a viable solution devoid of sound bites that is workable and I will sign on post haste.
We are a nation of show over substance and most of our social policies reflect this. Say whatever keeps the Fox Sheep happy and then go and do the exact opposite while they are busy being distracted by pseudo problems that don’t really deserve that much attention.
I agree people should not have kids they cannot afford, but since forced steralization is against the law (we did that in the early 20th century till after WWII), we need to figure out what to do with the kids.
One thing is as certain as the sun rising in the east. Raise a kid with substance abuse, anger, hatred, and physical and sexual abuse and you might as well lock them up at the onset of puberty. They are going to end up there 99.98% of the time. And since it cost more to incarcerate a person for a year then to send them to Harvard, it is a very bad financial deal. One I am not willing to pay for.
You either prevent them, abort them, or take care of them. Your vision of ignoring them till we need to lock them up is simply too expensive to maintain.
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PS: Tell Wal-Mart to PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES and to have more people working the tills; instead of buying publicity with stunts like this.
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Ok…This one thing I can agree with…..The rest is just damn grandious….
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I meant for Wally World to pay employees better, but they should still give to places like this. Doing something right doesn’t cancle out something wrong
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For whining about Walmart you must shop there if you know they don’t have enough people working the tills! If you don’t like it don’t go there!
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Helping out those who are less fortunate is the right thing to do. Kudos to Wal-Mart! I understand bickering about wasteful government spending but complaining about Wal-Mart contributing $50K to a local charity ….WOWSER some people!
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