by Duluth News Tribune
November 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
These campers didn’t come to the beautiful, pristine Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest to enjoy nature, bird watch, fish or hike.
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Marijuana was made Federally illegal as an attempt to discourage illegal immigration from Mexico. It’s the reason we refer to it by it’s Mexican’s name and not Cannabis. Randolph Hearst convinced Anslinger, our first Director of Narcotics before known as DEA, to make it illegal to solve the immigration problem and because he just bought tons of pulp land and invested heavily in paper and was worried about competition because can make paper from hemp. The History Channel does great documentary on history of Marijuana everyone should watch, it’s really an eye opener as to how stupid and duped we’ve all been. It’s not about protecting us from a weed, it’s about political bureaucrats getting more money from us.
So is dayum ironic knowing the history that instead we have Mexicans coming to grow it here and they’re cutting down tree’s to do so…I mean seriously…what irony.
So we made Marijuana a federal crime 80 years ago to try to subside illegal immigration….exactly how long before we ask the question…and how’s that working out? On either front?
“Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see.”
— Thomas Jefferson
“Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)
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Golly, if there was a forest fire in this area, how would anyone be straight enough to put it out?
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Legalize marijuana. Ban harmonicas.
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Kayak~ Dayum…I got 8 thumbs down for just stating some facts and quoting two prestigious Presidents while you got tons of thumbs up…I had no idea there were so many harmonica haters out there….it’s been an eye opener…LMAO…
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fastone… You have 100% verifiable proof that Jefferson and Lincoln smoked Marijuana? Or are you posting false rumors again?
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John~ I have used those quotes for years and got from thought a reliable source and nobody ever questioned before but since you clearly didn’t prove a darn thing except that you could toss red herrings and start false rumors, I thought would prove it.
Was surprised to find out that the Jefferson quote is questionable. I found sources that debunked it and sources that claimed was true. Mmmm…like claims that I start rumors, is just folks flapping gums on line if can’t prove it. Neither position was proving beyond shadow of doubt their positions just suppositions but did find a source that stated was true, was written in his diaries and was in Library of Congress. Great. That link though led me to library of congress but did not lead me to correct page and set query was broken link. I searched myself but was very difficult and queries for some reason kept sending me to Washingtons’ diaries and not spending hours on this so am satisfied with it’s at least questionable at this time until proven otherwise from reliable source and so will stop using it.
Let’s be clear, it’s not because you’ve proven a dayum thing and your red herring attempt to support your first assertion only makes you the one trying to start false rumors. Now if you could prove it’s not true, why didn’t you? Why the trollish allussion and attempts at character assasination stating I start false rumors as a red herring to support something you didn’t prove? Pretty chickehshyt way to go about it…
That I would intentionally try to start false rumors…well, that clearly has yet to ever be proven. Like this, I’m always the first to admit if made a mistake when and if proven wrong…bothers me not at all..as it means I learned something as did with this….there’s a big difference though from claiming I’m wrong because you don’t like my bashing on conservative agenda’s and actually proving am wrong though…and actually John…you’ve only proven you can toss red herrings…
There’s still two living Presidents that been in oval office for 16 that have admitted smoked weed since it’s been illegal…oh, come on, we all know Bill inhaled. So am not sure what the real point here was John or if you had any point. It is beyond dispute and verifiable that Washington as well as Jefferson grew hemp, separated the male and female plants and so were Pot farmers and that it wasn’t illegal until the 1930’s and that they knew of many uses for the plants but didn’t know about smoking the female buds? Certainly possible but not improbable to assume they did…so seriously…was there a point besides a a failed attempt by you to start rumors that post falsehoods intentionally? So I used a quote that I have verified was questionable and owned it…oh, the horrors…my bad…LMAO…
“You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. “……..Charles Austin Beard
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Quotation: “Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see.”
Variations: None known.
Sources consulted: (searching on “hemp” and “smoking”)
Papers of Thomas Jefferson Digital Edition
Thomas Jefferson Retirement Papers
Lipscomb-Bergh Edition (via Google Books)
Status: This statement has not been found in any of the writings of Thomas Jefferson. It appears to be of extremely recent vintage, and does not appear in any secondary print sources available online. Thomas Jefferson did grow hemp, but there is no evidence to suggest that Jefferson was a habitual smoker of hemp, tobacco, or any other substance. Some have pointed to a supposed reference in Jefferson’s Farm Book to separating male and female hemp plants as evidence that he was cultivating it for purposes of recreational smoking; no such reference exists in Jefferson’s Farm Book or any other document, although George Washington did record such a thing in his own diary: “Began to seperate the Male from the Female hemp at Do.&—rather too late.” The editorial note accompanying this comment cites Bernard McMahon’s American Gardener’s Calendar: “This may arise from their [the male] being coarser, and the stalks larger”
↑ Donald Jackson, ed., Diaries of George Washington, (Charlottesville, Va.: University Press of Virginia, 1976-1979), 1:340.
↑ McMahon, 457.
Jefferson, Thomas. Farm Book [manuscript]. Available online from the Massachusetts Historical Society.
You were using the supposed Jefferson quote to make your case for legalizing Marijuana. You have been using this quote for years? After all these years did you ever wonder if it was true? You say that you found sources claiming it to be true and some untrue. If unsure of the quotes validity why post? Or you try verify after the fact and claim ignorance. You post something that you are unable to verify and use it as a cornerstone in your argument….stick to the facts. Who really knows…..Jefferson died in 1826. If Jefferson was involved in hemp as a textile or rope then this is a possibility.
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John~ I clearly used the reference to the History Channel and history of origins of our war against it for supporting legalization. I happened to use quote by Jefferson that yes, I’ve used before and not been question and I clearly said that it was after you brought it up and decided to check that I found it questionable.
I clearly stated that since found that is questionable I won’t use anymore. I NEVER said that knew it was questionable but used anyway. I clearly posted that I wouldn’t do it and it was before your post…so stop trying to twist it and get it straight.
You’re tossing red herrings, and fabricating own versions of things…including that I start rumors, including that I am using a quote when knew was questionable….go try a trollish character assassination on someone else…you’ve told two lies already now about me you can’t back up and we both know it…and all over a quote used which is also published all over the net in different sources….seriously?
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John~ and lastly…lawdy…how far you going to strecth this to suit your transparent agenda? Clearly using a quote by Jefferson at end of my post was NOT the cornerstone of my whole argument for legalization and everyone can see that…
Can’t wait to see what fiction you come up with next….
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I’m not attempting a character assassination on you….just want to set the record straight. And set the record straight I did. A two minute internet search would have shown you that your quotes are not able to be verified. I didn’t say you start rumors…only that you posted them. You were quoting two giants in American history….anything Jefferson or Lincoln said carries a huge amount of weight…putting those in your post carries less weight than the History Channel? Jefferson and Lincoln make up half of Mount Rushmore…it doesn’t get any heavier than that.
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John~ you said..”I’m not attempting a character assassination on you….just want to set the record straight. And set the record straight I did. A two minute internet search would have shown you that your quotes are not able to be verified. ”
1- You clearly are, your initial post said..”Or are you posting false rumors again?” Implies I’ve intentionally posted false rumor and have done so repeatedly in the past. Not a misspeak as you repeated it in subsequent post.. “I didn’t say you start rumors…only that you posted them” This time just coming right out and claiming that I do. Care to provide verifiable proof of that? We both know you can’t, yet you’re sitting here playing harpie over a quote used that is repeated all over net as not being verified? Really? Kinda being a flaming hypocrite aren’t you? A lot of conservatives have moaned, complained and claimed I’ve posted falsehoods but in three years here only ONE ever proved I did and that was Dan H. So now you please verify your statements and claims with same veracity you expected of me over a whimsical quote. Good luck.
2- Who you thinking fooling with your lie? You most certainly DID NOT set the record straight, I DID before you said another dayum word. Everyone can see I posted a full day before you and stated that found the quote to be questionable and owned it. That was on 19th and you didn’t post your link until the 20th. Bad form to push brag ado claim of accomplishing something didn’t when is public record that everyone can see what I’m saying is absolutely true…SMH!
3- I said it was questionable. There is no beyond dispute proof that he did smoke marijuana and there is no beyond dispute proof that he did not. Your link and all the other sources on this only claim that the quote can not be verified and is suspect. He was afterall a marijuana farmer, he separated the male and female plants and he grew tobacco and knew the many uses for marijuana. It’s not some far flung stretch to begin with that he may have smoked it that you’re implying, it wasn’t illegal to do so and wasn’t demonized by our government back then.
Your additional claim that made the quote a cornerstone of argument and all this other trollish nonsense by you is…well exactly that. Again, public record and first post in thread and everyone can clearly see that Jefferson’s quote was NOT the cornerstone of argument and even pointing that out you come back and claim it was because he’s on Mt. Rushmore…WTH?
Quotes are NOT facts. They’re whimsical or clever sayings by famous people. They often aren’t accurate, the words been altered or changed over time or in the telling, they’re sometimes attributed to wrong people, and they all can’t be verified. But most important, they’re not facts. I use them as just a clever close to my posts and never relied on them as something as facts…because they aren’t, they’re just sayings…SMH!
Now if would like to make Jefferson a cornerstone of an argument for legalization of Marijuana am happy to oblige as feel to say he wouldn’t be supportive of legalization is as much a fools errand as this other trollish nonsense by you.
Forget whether or not Jefferson smoked weed, EXACTLY where the heck do you think Jefferson would have stood on issue regarding Federal law overriding states rights to infringe on personal freedoms? Outside of you knowing he’s on Mt. Rushmore, apparently you don’t know much else about Jefferson.
It’s undisputable that Washington and Jefferson grew hemp, or Marijuana as we now call it. It’s undisputable fact also they knew to separate the male and female plants and the many uses for it. In light of our current laws and back on POV of the article. regardless if they smoked it or not, today they would be both doing very hard time in a Federal Prison, at least 10 years, for intentionally having grown it on their own property.
The actually cultivation of the weed carries extremely high sentence and it’s irrelevant if partake or not, according to our current government….Washington and Jefferson would be considered dangerous drug dealers and a threat to our society.
So I’ll be waiting for you to “set the record straight” with all your proof that I have repeatedly posted falsehoods…
“By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote. In fact, it is as difficult to appropriate the thoughts of others as it is to invent.” ………….Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Mr. John, your quest for truth and verification is laudable. Might you also please apply this same effort to the discussions about climate change that appear in this paper? We need a watchdog of the facts and research to be on deck to sniff out those who place ideology above facts about a topic that can really hurt our society. People actually die from drought, heat stroke, drowning in floods, and new diseases. No one has ever overdosed on weed.
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All those things you talk about like floods and droughts have been around since the beginning of time. I have no idea if global warming is man made or a natural cycle. Nothing wrong with trying to cut down on our impact on the earth. It took us 150 years to form the way we travel and produce energy. It will take quite a while to develop alternatives to the energy we use now. You can’t do it in a couple of election cycles and you can’t do it if other countries ignore the environment. Nothing wrong with moving tward a cleaner earth as long as we are not alone.
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Strange that people are so worried about clean air and clean water…yet some of these same people want to let everyone smoke pot and pollute their body. I’m willing to admit that pollution is harmful to the earth. Are you willing to admit that smoking pot is harmful to the human body?
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John to Ranger”Are you willing to admit that smoking pot is harmful to the human body?”
Have you ever had a drink of alcohol or a Big Mac? Maybe eaten something with MSG in it…like Doritos? Those all proven worse for your health then marijuana, should we make them illegal also then put people in prison for years because they wanted a Big Mac?
People should have the liberty to make own choices even if is wrong as long as not harming others. That was founding fathers intents. We should not be advocating laws enforced by Federal Government in some veiled attempt to try to protect people from themselves. Besides, as WAS the real argument in my first post…the whole premise for making it illegal was based on false pretenses and for hidden agenda to defend a wealthy person and so that Anslinger could get bigger budget and more power. Anslinger even thought it was stupid that we made a weed illegal while he demonized it…and it is. The threat isn’t to individuals, the threat of legalization is a threat to a huge money gravy train for the Government, Police Departments and big pharma.
If we actually cared about protecting people from themselves and cared about their health issues and cared about addiction problems, then we would make marijuana legal and make alcohol and pain pills with narcotics in them illegal as those account for the vast majority of those people suffering addictions and are extremely harmful to one’s health. So the whole it’s illegal because not healthy is another false argument.
So that isn’t what this is about at all, they just say it is because they want to keep getting the money for it to keep harassing us, abridging our Freedoms and we’re paying them to do this…ain’t America great?
“Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”….Voltaire
You stated ….”People should have the liberty to make own choices even if is wrong as long as not harming others. That was founding fathers intents. We should not be advocating laws enforced by Federal Government in some veiled attempt to try to protect people from themselves.” You seem to be this big authority on the founding fathers….even to the point of claiming Jefferson would have been for legalizing pot. How do you know that ??? You first misquote Jefferson ….now you are putting words in his mouth? He died in 1826. You want liberty? With liberty comes responsibility. Our founding fathers couldn’t have imagined the society we have become. Fine…give people the freedom to smoke pot. If they become addicted let them be and do not offer them treatment. If they get cancer let them pay for their own treatment. If they cant work let them live under the freeway. But no….we offer them government health care, housing,food stamps & treatment. In colonial times if you didn’t put up enough firewood for winter you froze. They didn’t have government programs that gave them firewood they didn’t have to work for. You made a go of it….people did help each other out. I’m guessing people had some incentive to work because their life depended on it. What’s next….do you want to offer people the “liberty” to do meth? ….
You also said “It’s undisputable that Washington and Jefferson grew hemp, or Marijuana as we now call it. It’s undisputable fact also they knew to separate the male and female plants and the many uses for it. In light of our current laws and back on POV of the article. regardless if they smoked it or not, today they would be both doing very hard time in a Federal Prison, at least 10 years, for intentionally having grown it on their own property. ” ……They grew hemp for rope and for textiles. Have you ever seen a sailing ship? Hemp was also used for textiles before the cotton gin took over. The type of hemp used wouldn’t have gotten you high. Sick maybe….but not high.
You said…”Quotes are NOT facts. They’re whimsical or clever sayings by famous people. They often aren’t accurate, the words been altered or changed over time or in the telling, they’re sometimes attributed to wrong people, and they all can’t be verified. But most important, they’re not facts. I use them as just a clever close to my posts and never relied on them as something as facts…because they aren’t, they’re just sayings…SMH!”
Then you said…
“So I’ll be waiting for you to “set the record straight” with all your proof that I have repeatedly posted falsehoods”…
You made my case…thank you! Quotes are NOT facts??? I will give you a clue….if a quote is not fact then it’s not a quote. So in other words….If Jefferson didn’t say something then it really isn’t a quote is it? How can you quote someone or something if it was never stated in the first place?
Have a great holiday!
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Okay, folks, that’s enough. This has turned into a two-person bickering match, so it’s time to stop.
The topic is marijuana farms polluting in Wisconsin. Let’s get back to that, please.
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End the illegal, immoral prohibition on MJ and this goes away. Why is this so hard to understand?
fastone pretty much nailed it, but the issue also goes into the fact of not only race, but money. Big Pharma, LE departments and even dealers don’t want it legalized since they stand to lose the most. Many companies also don’t want non-intoxicating hemp to be legalized since it’s far more profitable to make alternatives.
Then you wrap up shady intentions with slick marketing and lies (“Reefer Madness” anyone”) and you have the beliefs many people have today. Thankfully some people are able to pull the wool from their eyes.
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Patrick…yes also true but the most overlooked insane part now with our draconian zero tolerance laws is that we have built up the largest prison population on planet…and because of the overcrowding the Justice Dept. has been forced to lessen the sentencing guidelines for violent crimes and to release violent criminals early to ease the overcrowding. So the whole government fear tactic and that conning everyone with that they’re actually making us a safer society is another falsehood and we’re actually suppporting a system that is making it a more dangerous and violent society. If I had to choose between Cheech and Chong living next door and a murderer or someone prone to violence…it’s a no brainer for me…
The realities are that a 20 something year old caught with growing a few plants in most states is doing more time in prison then a career criminal who commits armed robbery.
That alone should give everyone reason to shout enough insanity already!!
I’m assuming a rational person would rather have and would choose a pot smoker as a neighbor over a violent criminal. The thing overlooked on this topic that people need to be clear on…is that’s not what the government is choosing for your neighbor…
“Too often we… enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. “….John F. Kennedy
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Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree with you. While the origins of the original laws had to do with race, once money came into the equation we have what we have now.
The funny thing is if you ask Chief Ramsey “Was the prohibition of alcohol worth it?” you’ll hear how no, it was stupid, it built crime syndicates & got a lot of good cops killed, yet if you ask if this prohibition is worth it he’ll say “Definitely!” even though the parallels are exactly the same, save for the amount of $$$ spent.
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I’ve also heard from one of Duluth’s public officials (can’t remember if it was a judge or attorney) say that the reason it’s illegal is because it leads people to experiment with other, harder substances. However, the short-sightedness of that argument is easy to see. Since marijuana is illegal, people need to go to a drug dealer to get their stash. If people are going to experiment with other drugs, that’s where they’re going to find them. If marijuana were legalized, the only experimental substances smokers might be keen on trying would be the Flamin’ Cheetos across the aisle from the spliffs.
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Ahh.. The gateway drug argument. Gotta love that one, almost always thrown out there by people who don’t even care to think about the issue.
If alcohol was illegal, it would be a gateway drug as well. The only reason it is a gateway is because it is sold by people who have access to the other drugs as well.
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I’m sure Obama has a path for US citizenship for these hard-working entreprenuers.
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Perhaps Minnesota and Wisconsin should follow Colorado and Washington’s role in this next election. We’re not going to outdo the lobbying power of big-pharma, the big 3 brewers, and the private prison industry. We’re not going to out-propagate these institutions either, with the millions they could potentially spend on negative ads.
However, we can outnumber them and we can out-vote them. The left can agree because it permits personal freedom, the right can agree because it limits big-government, and anyone with half a brain can agree because the war on drugs has proven to be a colossal failure and an epic misuse of federal power.
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Tell us more about these imaginary personal freedoms that the left so stands for. I can’t even legally change out my toilet or paint my rental without a permit or certification, or grow bushes with deep root systems to protect my property from erosion on the lake shore and you think the left, that has brought along these type of rules, are going to let us do whatever we want with pot.
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Don~ Come on Don, you can make a better politically partisan biased derogatory straw man argument then that…I’ve seen you do it plenty of times. Give it another try..
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I know, right? I’ve been on double secret comment probation since election night. I’m actually suprised that toned down comment actually made it through.
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Don~ No, no, No…what’s wrong with you?…that’s the pandering for sympathy po’ po’ me they’re all picking on me post…dayum, you’re losing it dude. Not even a single derogatory remark about liberals agaib in whole post? …maybe need a break and to listen to Faux News for awhile to get your game back cuz almost sounding sensible…and then try again.
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Don, I don’t know how you’ve come to blame the left for the litany of rules associated with homeownership. I agree that most of the rules you mention are ridiculous. You might enjoy the film “Garbage Warrior” about an alternative homebuilder in New Mexico (it’s on YouTube). In that state, he was up against a heavily Republican controlled legislation who didn’t even consider his experimental designs. Instead, they told him to make a subdivision, and hit him with an outrageous amount of expensive requirements just to make what he had already built legal.
So the right is at least as much to blame, if not more so, for all the rules you seem to oppose. It’s the “just say no” and “do as your told” culture that permeates among your side of the aisle. You seem to have a skewed belief that being on the left = supporting government, and being on the right = opposing it. In reality, both sides run the government… and it so happens that people with money, who tend to lean right, have a greater say in it.
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As for a list of personal freedoms that many people on the left support that people on the right don’t, here’s a few I can think of off-hand:
– The freedom to marry
– The freedom of choice in reproductive matters
– The freedom from being wiretapped and spied on under the guise of counter-terrorism
– The freedom of the internet, e.g. file sharing
– The freedom of assembly (in the case of many Occupy demonstrations)
– The freedom to sleep (for those who do not want to pay a landlord or hotel)
– And yes, the freedom to smoke weed.
I could go on to mention how economic “freedoms” are often used to justify taking away other people’s freedoms (abandoning your liberties during work, the prohibition of press and speech in private businesses, etc). Here’s an article that does a better job than I can of explaining this:
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Poor abused Don, with his rental properties and lakeshore properties. You really do have it rough, donthca?
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No lake property yet, just shortening it up to not be like fastone, but the examples are oh so true and sponsored by the letters DNR and UDC (uniform dwelling code) and backed and influenced by our sponsors: the enviromentalist and the trade unions. With the help of these new potential pot laws I hope that someday I will be able to take the easy route to owning that lake home.
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Don – I just hope that, regardless of the pot legislation, that people like yourself understand the difference between personal freedom (the ability to be free in actions that don’t affect others) and economic freedom (the ability to be free in actions solely intended to turn a profit).
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The left should be against it due to the laws originating in discrimination against both Hispanics & African-Americans. And yes you’re correct, the right should be against it due to personal freedoms.
But again, decades of The Big Lie have solidified the belief that this needs to continue, especially since that lie has been funded by everything from LE unions to DuPont & all points in between.
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End prohibition on Marajuana now! The black market and alot of crime will disappear if people can grow it themselves. Do you know that George Washington grew hemp and smoked marajuana! Let’s restore our Liberty and legalize it!
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The only thing Democrats and Republicans totally agree on is that the war on drugs is working well and needs to continue.
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I think these are Obama’s people, and the people of those that supported the “One”.
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If marijuana The Last Place on Earth would be out of business.
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That was supposed to say if marijuana was legalized The Last Place on Earth would be out of business.
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Nah, he would just switch to selling Pot and would be fine.
But I think most wouldn’t buy it from him because of his actions regarding the synthetics he has been selling.
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If The Last Place on Earth, or any other place for that matter, sold marijuana presumably they’d be licensed. The product, instead of a poisonous mixture of chemicals, a natural substance. Licensing plus all the taxes and employment not to mention saving incredible amounts of money spent on a war on marijuana that can’t be won. The answer seems to me to be fairly simple.
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2 major things about this article i would like to point out….first the attempt to correlate pot smoking/growing with destruction of the environment is rediculous, the only reason these messes were made was because they were chased away by people/law enforcement because it is illegal…if you legalize it there would be no mess. Secondly, how bout this whopper they claim these growers have guns and ammunition and are ready and willing to use it, yet in the paragraph before it they sent word out to nature enthusiasts and hunters to be on the look out?…so its so dangerous that we dont want our enforcement officers risking their lives so how bout you citizens do it for us?…i see a tragedy just waiting to happen. Six words: Legalize it and regulate/tax it. Please thank you and have a nice thanksgiving…i will continue by annual tradition of getting stoned with my brother before thanksgiving feast…mmm gravy.
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I find it amazing that in a forum where most of us are at odds over almost every single topic, the one thing we all appear to agree on is that Marijuana should be legalized.
Just goes to show you how crazy it is that pot is illegal.
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I’ve seen pot smokers that erroneously think they are extra intelligent when smoking pot. That would explain the pathetic failure of the left to offer anything workable or worth considering.
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Maybe the leftist dopers should channel their energies to feeding the poor and doing something else useful rather than expending their energies on procurring dope. Also those dangerous greenhouse gasses created by smoking dope should be a big concern to them, but it isn’t.
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Smarty~ Just when think can’t be more childish and partisan clueless you always suprise me….
What happened to conservatives wanting smaller government? less spending and less government regulations interferring with our lives? Mmm? Well here it is, right in front of your nose and to top that off….it is huge opportunity to increase revenue while making huge dent in cutting expenses…legalize it and tax it.
Are you aware that a stipend is paid to states and local governments for drug busts but not for catching violent criminals? That’s our tax dollars being wasted to set up a bonus system for law enforcement to make sure spend more time chasing kids doing drugs then violent criminals. It’s why almost 90% of our prison population is drug busts and they’re not dealers, their victimless crimes. It’s not a war on drugs, it’s a war on Americans and exactly like Iraq, it’s all a pack of lies by politicians to get and waste more of our money.
If you’re against legalization and you’ve ever had a drink of alcohol…then you’re a hypocrite. Sigh..but you like to stick to strictly partisan nonsenical talking points. So consider that once again, the Politicians have fooled us and conned us, fabricated a bunch of lies that got us to believe in while using those lies to take away our personal freedoms and rights and to give themselves more money and power and con us into paying them to do it. And whose the biggest supporters of this con game and nonsense? Why conservatives of course, because they just have so much common sense…
And darn those dayum liberals that want to shrink spending and size of government, reinstate personal rights and freedoms, take unbridled power from the government and put back in hands of the people and increase revenue…what a bunch of commie socialists…SMH!!
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. ”
The leftist fools would like us to believe another of their big lies that smoking dope is harmless, even beneficial. I’ve seen enough of it over the years to know it’s not true. Leftists lie 100 % of the time. This is just another in an endless series.
“Liberals that want to shrink spending and size of government, etc.” If that wasn’t such a pathetic fabrication I’d be laughing.
Every right wing media ‘icon’ and outlet THRIVES on LIES and breeding PARANOIA. Its all they lean on. Feel free to follow along and open your ears. Objectivity…Buehler…anyone?
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Sigh…….Wait for it.. now after last election we have 17 states and District of Columbia even, having legalized medicinal use and as all know, Colorado and Washington legalizing it completely….was suprised that there were even countless cities that had on ballot that won for legalizing it, Detroit only one remember …but….Wait for it…..there will be all new government propaganda pushed on us with fear tactics to counter this public support and try to squash it…there’s too much money and power at stake for them to give up without a fight.
Actually, it’s already begun…a new study pushed already in last week is citing a coorelation between marijuana use and testicular cancer. Girls, I guess you can keep lighting up though…LOL. Not playing around in light of all the states passing legalization measures…and going right for the crotch. Of course, it’s contrived and manipulated nonsense by a very reputable scientific source that claims yes it’s true. Mmmm…didn’t they roll this out about 30 years ago and it was debunked? I guess they’d think folks would forget…Like let’s just Forget that there has been no spike whatsoever in testicular cancer incidents from the 60’s forward that would coorelate with this nonsense. Forget the total nonsense that even that same study said it’s only if you smoke for a little in your 20’s and stop, if you continue to smoke it regularly apparently there’s no change in risk whatsoever. Mmmm…so girls, make sure your man smokes a lot and not just a little…~rolls eyes~….just tell him you don’t want him to ever stop…ROFLMAO. Gee, they can’t even get their message straight…but be afraid…be very afraid…or translation.~~ Whaaaaaaaa…we want to keep it illegal because we want your money and to control your rights!!
Remember this of course same government that claimed it caused mental illiness, made people want to commit suicide and homicide and that it would lead to heroin use.
The conservative talking point~~ That’s right folks, pot ruins lives, so we’re going to help out all these kids and prevent them from ruining their lives by marking them as class x felons for the rest of their lives preventing them from getting good jobs and putting them in prisons for years…cuz the government doesn’t ruin lives, only pot does.
Can’t pick up the paper even here, without seeing about some horrific accident taking lives because of drunk driver. Almost every day….~a couple was killed when drunk driver swerved into their lane and crashed head on into them~ ….and the last time we heard of marijuana being the cause for loss of innocent life because someone got high? Mmmmm…have we ever?
~If you’re against legalization and you’ve ever had a drop of alcohol…than just own it…you’re a hypocrite~
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