Online petition asks for North Dakota secession
November 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm in Grand Forks Herald
Residents of 22 states, including North Dakota, had filed petitions on the White House’s official petitions website seeking permission to secede from the United States, as of Monday afternoon. Continue Reading
Should never have allowed the missiles to leave the state.
Oil money AND nukes. The middle-east would kill for that kind of power.
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The nukes are still @Minot AFB.
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Dear North Dakota, I have received your petition to secede from the United States and have forwarded it to Congress who will act on it with their usual speed.
All military bases in North Dakota will be closed and personnel relocated to bases in the United States, except for a contingency left to guard the North Dakota-US Border.
Any North Dakota citizen holding a US passport is required to surrender it immediately. Entry into the US will require a valid North Dakota passport. Anyone staying longer than two weeks will have to obtain a visa.
Funding for highways, transportation, bridges, infrastructure, education and medical facilities will cease immediately.
Your representatives to the US Congress are ordered to leave Washington as soon as possible.
All US licenses to do business are revoked.
The FAA will no longer operate at your airports and air traffic controllers are terminated.
All Federal Civil Service employees in the country of North Dakota are terminated.
The FCC no longer operates so you will be responsible for licensing your own telephone, radio, television and Internet providers.
Anyone receiving payments for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Disability will have to reapply and Congress will decide if foreigners are allowed to receive payments from the US Govt.
Good luck.
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If most of the signatures on our petition come from out of state, it kind of sounds like the USA doesn’t want us…
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While i think the whole idea of breaking away is a silly notion, one thing that i do believe is that we need to monitor our resources very closely.
I do not trust a man running a wealth redistribution plan at the federal level and i dont for one second believe he wouldnt find a way to divert ND funds to help pay for the nations Social programs.
When you are part of one of the two states in the nation not burdened by debt you need to pay attention to legislation being passed etc. that may be used against you.
Maybe i’m wrong but only a fool would not keep their guard up.
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We’ve been over this. Historically, ND receives more in federal spending than it pays in federal taxes.
That is, redistribution unquestionably benefits North Dakota.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union
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You would think so but I am not sure. At least one surplus base desperately searching for a mission & an economy still largely dependent on farm subsidies.
When we said ND got more than it gave we are not talking by a few dollars, we are talking tens of millions annually. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out when the numbers are released.
Remember: despite everything we are still far short of a million people. Most tax revenue comes from people, not companies.
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Yeah, but who wants to be that guy who always comes out to drink, never buys a round, gets a raise, then starts staying at home?
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So stop the flow of money to ND.
I dont believe we should be getting it anyway.
I am, however refering to the Govt taking the surplus oil money and sending it to states it deems needy.
Like California.
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I am glad to see the tinfoil hat club is alive and well in ND. I was getting worried.
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Good one, FN…..the Tinfoil and Head Noddin Club…..yup, yup, yup!!!!
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A few spoiled brats didn’t get their way in the election and now they wanna take their toys and leave. What a bunch of pussys. A TRUE American never ever runs from adversity and uses it to make this great country stronger!
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If you run into any TRUE Americans, let me know. They seem to be running in short supply, except in a few states.
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I am sick to death of these “True American” comments that I am seeing everywhere. A True American doesn’t do this or would only do that, blah blah blah. Enough already! I am no less a True American because I believe that a social safety net is a good thing for society than you (that’s a general you) are because you believe that same safety net is redistribution or socialism or whatever! This “us vs. them” mentality is going to drive me batty!
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Let them blather Katie, in the end they were 100% wrong on their predictions this election cycle.
They were vociferous in their belief that the gains of 2010 were just the beginning. They were certain America had had enough of a black muslim foreign born citizen occupying the White House.
What did they get: defeated by an electoral vote margin they haven’t won by in 25 years as well as loses in both the House of Representatives (substantial loses there) and the Senate.
Since not just one (Ruth Bader Ginsberg), but as many as three Supreme Court Justices will retire over the next four years, the effects of this election will be very far reaching. Rather than having Roe v Wade overturned it will be reaffirmed and gay marriage will be legalized. Any attempt to overturn Obamacare will also fail.
Elections have consequences and the GOP will definitely feel the consequences of their anglocentric policies.
I hope they learn to moderate their views and take their responsibility to represent their constituents seriously, otherwise their time in the wilderness will be longer than they care to admit.
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Ah…The old “true American” Take a big bag and add to it slips of paper with every adjective you can think of and that’s pretty much a “True American” A bit of everything you can imagine….
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a social safety net is one thing, we currently offer a social welfare lifestyle in its place though.
This is what you and your liberal folks dont understand, its not that we dont believe in giving a hand up, we are just sick of the hand outs.
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You know what.. I define a ‘True American’ that is someone that is for America as a whole. Because America was founded on the principle that ‘All men are created equal’. Unfortunately it has taken wars and common sense for us to realize that the statement didn’t mean only White Heterosexual Males.
America is the great experiment that has done something right in this world in my honest opinion. Once you start labeling people, you in your own become UN-American. Because this is a country of ‘By the people and for the people.’ Not just ‘a group of people’.
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BINGO. Well said.
There is a reason the ACLU defends Neo Nazi’s right to march. It sure is not because they agree with them.
They just know that in order for our system to work it has to apply to everyone; not just those that agree with us.
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Call me an ideologist if you want. But when I severed in the US Army it wasn’t for just people from North Dakota, or just my family. I served the United States of America. I served for the good of all and amazingly enough for even the people I don’t like.
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served. sheesh.
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and once again the election becomes about race.
Talking to Liberal Democrats is like talking to a brick wall.
Nothing that is said is heard in its actual context, it is always labeled as racist or obstructionist.
When was the last time a Democrat listened to anything a Republican said?
Blame, Blame, Blame.
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Which ones are the “True Americans” today?
The ones like our forefathers who believed in small unobtrusive federal government or the people today who vote for a president to keep money flowing to social programs and to pass gay marriage for them?
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Wow, a couple of extremists whine that they want to take their ball and go home and the Forum runs an article. I’m sure these folks don’t benefit from ANYthing related to what we’ve done when we pool our resources as a nation. Nothing at all…
But more importantly, this bizarre journalistic practice of giving a few extremists a larger voice reeks of a need to generate page hits, which is painful and sad.
Let these folks run editorials if they want the press, otherwise they need to be marginalized as the lunatics they are.
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Saying that you’re going to leave the country, as whiny as that is, is in no way equal to saying you want to break the country up. The former affects only you, the latter affects everyone else. False equivalence is false.
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Interpretation – We were promised that Orca would be our savior. We want our money back since we couldn’t buy the election.
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You need to sign up for a history class Jake. There is nothing new here. Politics have been divisive for as long as we have been a country. Our founding fathers fought duels (the Vice President killed the Secretary of the Treasury) & before the Civil War one Senator almost killed another on the floor of the Senate. We are positively civilized by their standards.
America survived Bush. It will survive Obama as well.
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Talk about a overreaction! Has obama really effected your life that much?
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Price of gas has fallen since election: http://www.northdakotagasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx
Price of electricity, after adjusting for inflation, has fallen steadily since 1990:
http://www.northdakotagasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx
And price of natural gas is at a 10-year low: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444734804578062331199029850.html
Yes, I enjoy my “high” energy prices.
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Don’t mind Kevin.. He is just one of those guys who pays more in ND taxes than he does in Federal.. You know, one of those loopholers like Romney.
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During the election I had already made up my mind that Romney wouldn’t cut it, when one of his chief advisors sealed the deal. He was on Fox News decrying the treatment Israel was getting at the hands of the Obama administration when he said that if Obama won re-election he was moving to Israel because he was a Jew first.
This was a senior advisor; not a talking head. Someone who undoubtedly had a position in the White House had Romney won.
What hypocrisy. Could you imagine if Valerie Jarrett, one of the Big O’s closest advisors & a Jew had said she was a Jew first? The birthed crowd would have had a meltdown.
I guess if you vote Republican its OK to put America second.
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It’s not just OK to put America second if you vote Republican, it’s expected!
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Eleven states seceded from the union after Lincoln won the presidential election. They couldn’t accept Mr. Lincoln’s views on slavery.
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That turned out well didn’t it?
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A short piece of historical trivia gets dislikes. I’m never surprised on here anymore.
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You are aware that they’ve gone so far as to make history texts remove items they don’t agree with. Not that they aren’t factual, but because when robber barrons actions harmed the public it makes conservatives look greedy and heartless…..And we all know that can’t be true
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They’ve even are going so far as to rewrite the Bible. All those parts about Jesus doing liberal things like caring for the poor and the most disadvantage, and being against greed are things that they just know were slipped in by liberal thinking writers, but not the true Jesus they know. I have the feeling your pop has a hand in this one…….Something he teases them just for a good old laugh
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You say the democrats are forcing us to be slaves. So what would you consider Republicans to be doing had they won and restricted gay marriage and abortion? That sounds a lot more like slavery to me.
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That is not defending marriage. It is restricting it. And by restricting abortion you are infringing on the rights of the mother.
It all comes back to control, which is exactly what the Republicans want in whatever way they can get it.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Jake: the part you are missing is that by maintaining an anglocentric campaign style, in an attempt to win the battle they may have lost the culture war. At the very least they set it back 25 years. The Big O is going to get between 1-3 Supreme Court nominees. Instead of overturning Roe v Wade, Romney’s failure to count will now result in it being caudified for another generation. Gay marriage is a shoe in & dependent benefits for same sex partners of service members will be policy before the last American is out of Afghanistan.
There simply not enough angry white guys to win elections anymore. It is just that simple.
Since the average Hispanic is Catholic, & virulently pro life, common sense would dictate passing the Dream Act (it is going to happen regardless so you might as well get some credit for it) & pulling at least 40% of the brown vote to the right. Most Hispanics are lower middle class & work their back sides off. Just the type of people the GOP used to call “the silent majority.”
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Jake what are you talking about? The Dream act is a pathway to citizenship for illegals brought here as children by their parents. 80% – 90% of Hispanics are for it. You will not capture the 40% of the Hispanic vote you need to get elected without it.
As I said, Hispanics are Catholic. They are pro life. They are not big on gay rights (machismo) but that is secondary. Give them comprehensive immigration reform & you have the next President. Don’t & you will fail.
This isn’t “new math” or even fractions. Simple addition is all you need
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What’s truely odd is many of the same people who can’t stand the idea of a black man in the white house are generally quick to point out that Lincoln was a republican. Kind of strange to be a bigot and then take credit for ending slavery at the same time. That’s some good old fashioned “Flim Flam”
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Isnt it odd that the left always claims that the only reason one could oppose Obama is because of his race? That is racist itself. I am very sure that Obama got many votes just because he is black, I have heard many state just that. It could in no way be because they oppose his policies and agenda.
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Glen, Glen, Glen…..Where have you heard such a thing? That the “only reason” you’re against Obama is race? It’s not the only reason, bit the implications have been there before he even sat in the chair for one day. The severe right played the reace card in many ways to encourage so much disrespect and basic hate towards this president from the beginning. If you weren’t so caught up in hearing what you want to hear from the right you’d realize that the right never gave him a chance from before day one….No othe president has been given so little respect prior to even doing anything. So if not race then what? Because he was a community organizer which apparently is a bad thing to most on the right since the poor are that way because they choose to be poor?
To ignore the race baiting is basically just denial. Most of this over reaction to this is because there really is a lot of people on the right who just go ape over a black man in the White House.
Of course the best deflection for bigotry is to accuse others of seeing bigotry as if it really doesn’t exist and is an unfair label…..There are those who hats him as they did Clinton because they are very smart, charismatic, and have real leadership skills that they can’t control. In Clinton’s case they found a stained dress to try to bring him down. With Obama they’ve tried to find some other stain that will work, but nothing does so race is all they can fall back on.
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Kind of ironic that those states were lead by the Democrats.
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As we have discussed before, the Dixiecrats did not feel the need to change with the times. Exactly how many are in the House & Senate today?
There is a lesson there for the GOP.
Lest you forget, at one time the Dixiecrats were a powerful force in Congress. They almost got a President elected.
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“True Americans? Michele Bachmann seemed to have an idea of what that meant if I recollect accurately?
This bile is largely a result of divisive politicians like Bachmann, dirty tricksters such as Rove, and inflammatory media sources such as Limbaugh and Fox.
True Americans work with others — even if they don’t agree with them, to find acceptable solutions to problems. Such folks don’t hose napalm on smoldering embers, or whine like two year-olds when they don’t get their way.
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…and I should have included Donald Trump in my list of inflammatory whiners AND I should have mentioned something that clearly IS unAmerican: the religious right efforts to undermine the COTUS and change the USA from a secular democratic republic into a theocratic republic.
…a thumbs down for the latter comment is, by definition, a thumbs down for the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Lincoln.
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Ok….So when are you going to run for office? I got my check book ready?
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Would I need a passport just to cross the river and go shopping?
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If you listen to the Fox crowd, passports will be obsolete: we will have microchips implanted in our bodies & 666 tattooed on our forehead.
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Somebody walk me through how this would work:
A small percentage of the population of a state petitions to secede, and let’s assume they’re successful and get what they want.
Can’t the REST of us simply create a petition of our own and request to be welcomed back into the good ol’ USA? Assuming WE’RE as successful with our petition as THEY were with theirs….what changed?
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We may not welcome you back. Who knows, we may decide to charge you an exorbitant fee to rejoin the union and garnish your wages, maybe charge you union dues, or up your costs of Obamacare, and take away some holidays like Labor Day or Indepedence Day.
Think about this … it’s a union … and you don’t want to belong to a union. No I think the right thing to do is look north towards Canada. They take just about anybody. They will probably welcome you guys. They have universal healthcare and their dollar is doing well. This could be a win..win for your state.
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“Who knows, we may decide to charge you an exorbitant fee to rejoin the union and garnish your wages, maybe charge you union dues, or up your costs of Obamacare, and take away some holidays like Labor Day or Indepedence Day.”
If all of that was supposed to be a shot because of the posts I’ve made in the ACS threads, then it sort of falls short…don’t you think? I mean charging me fees, garnishing my wages, and upping my cost of healthcare sounds horrible and all, until you consider that my wages were higher, my healthcare costs were far lower, etc. than everyone else in the neighborhood.
I’ve always found it handy when assessing my personal situation and how bad I happen to feel it is….to take a look around and make some comparisons.
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Canadians are some of the funniest people on the planet. It may do you some good to mingle with them. Maybe some of their humor will rub off on you. Relax a little …
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Canada does not take just about anyone on the planet. They DO like people who are educated and have job skills, or people who have a ton of money and can invest in the economy and start a business.
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If only the US was that choosy…
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They can start a petition drive in north dakota. Collect enough signatures to turn in. Put it up for a vote and have the north dakota constitution amended if it passes. Than your state government will have no option but to succeed.
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Ron: I know your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek when you wrote that, but for the benefit of the birthers in the crowd who may take you literally: South Carolina and 10 other states tried that at one time; it worked out really well for them. You should google it sometime.
We have a process in place to change our nation. It is outlined in the document that defines our nation. Just because you lost does not mean you get to take your toys and go home. Sorry.
That said, we do have two contiguous borders, I am sure you can apply for a visa. There was a story after the election about an immigration lawyer who helps disgruntled politicos become ex pats. I am sure he would be willing to help
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It is illegal to secede anyway as Lincoln maintained. N.Dak tried to secede in 1927 when the farmers decided the MSP grain dealers & banks had ripped them off for too long. The secession bill was actually introduced in the ND legislature. I don’t know what the vote was.
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Ecclesiastes: There is nothing new under the sun; no nothing.
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That comment was complete satire. Everyone knows I heart obama. I think he is “amazing”. My bleeding liberal heart can’t be any happier with this years election. Every single person and measure I voted for won. even the local races
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Leave–you won’t be missed.
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Harry Reid said that he would raise the debt limit and it has been reported that he is already moving to block opposition in the Senate. We essentially have the same government, albeit a few new faces, that we have had for the past 20 odd years. The Fed will continue to print money, and the politicians will create new debt for the foreseeable future. I see a day when the federal government will be so mired in debt that wealthy states will find out they can ignore federal edicts, and Washington won’t have the money to fight off the intransigent state governments, let alone meet all of the promised liabilities of maintaining the empire, funding the baby boomer’s retirements, and providing health care for all. I think that a gradual shift towards something resembling a confederation of states is actually not that far off, and only dependant on how long the Democrats and Republicans can keep kicking the can down the road. So a bit of advice to the secessionists from Sun Tzu; “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
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<– Buys stock in the tinfoil industry.
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Thank you for your service maverick, and thumbs up on your comment. However, if you think I am a tin hatter, than what is your prediction for the future of this country that you are so proud of? Do we keep on doing things the same way we have been for the last half century, which in my viewpoint is unsustainable, or do you think everything is peachy now?
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I don’t think everything is peachy keen, but I don’t think it is as dire as others make it out to be. If this country folds there will be a lot worse things going on in this world that we will need to worry about.
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You know, I’ve been thinking this morning since I read your second comment. I need to apologize, I shouldn’t have made the tinfoil comment. It was uncalled for by any stretch of the imagination. So I’m sorry for making that unjustified comment.
To re-iterate what I said earlier, there are a lot of people spelling out the doom and gloom for the United States. These were the same people who were guaranteeing Republicans that the win was in the bag. Now I’m not Nostradamus, but I do know when to quit believing the hype.
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No problem maverick. I don’t think that we are going to fall off a cliff either, but I do believe that we are in for a shift downward in our standard of living driven by the enormous debt that both political parties have put us into. This kind of spending is unsustainable, and already Moody’s, the S&P, and Fitch are talking about another US credit rating downgrade. Eventually a downgrade could trigger a panic selloff of bonds, forcing the Fed to buy them with printed money. More money in the system will cause inflation and erosion of the value of your savings and investments.
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Do you think that could be their way of throwing around their monetary weight in order to get our Congressmen off their butts and actually do something? That is where I put that right now.
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Although Sun Tzu has a lot of great quotes……A few like the above example seem like great bits of wizdom from the bottom of a wine glass….The reverse is also true…If you stand by the river long enough your body might be the one floating down stream….It’s a coin toss which will happen first
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Tundra – I think Sun Tzu may have been talking about the virtues of patience. Just sayin’ . . . .
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The real reason this is even a story is because it falls into the old “Man Bites Dog” type of heading. It’s silly and we all know its a useless gesture because it’s only going to be an extremely small fraction from every state claiming to want to suceed. Take ND for example. Do you really think more thana fraction below one percent would back something like this? I think we’re pretty safe. Besides…..It’s against the constitution
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Didn’t we already try this once? A guy from Illinois gets elected. Large part of the country thinks that 1000 years of darkness will ensue. Secede.
Saw the signs on the internet. If people are going to secede, please learn to spell it properly at least.
Secession advocates: Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
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If I don’t use my Ipad with instant corrections…Then you’ll have to suffer through my “Hooke On Phonics” version….
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Everyone is welcome to join”the nation of ron burgandy”. We can go find a nice secluded piece of land where we will hunt, fish, and farm the land. Just don’t let uncle sam find out he might have some issues with our new country.
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Thomas Jefferson (the patron saint of Democrats) would approve of your vision of utopia. Unfortunately, real life and real people resemble “Lord of the Flies” much more than any pastoral Norman Rockwell painting. Just ask Thomas J. It was his Vice President who shot Alexander Hamilton.
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Exactly…..But isn’t that pretty much the philosophy of a lot of self described conservatives? The big dog should always win? The hell with everyone else…..
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Yes, Lord of the Flies. That does describe Obama. He divides and conquers. He promises “meat” in exchange for obedience. Those who do not obey are hunted down and branded as “racists” or some other catch phrase.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Jake you are getting almost as bad as AlwaysCorrect. Once more from the top: divide & conquer is a GOP strategy.
Dems come behind & pick up what you have discarded & make a stew that wins elections. You could also use a quilt as a metaphor.
The GOP likes solid colors. Dems are pragmatists. They will sew anything together as long as it gets the job done
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It’s his new persona……..New handle, same old trolling
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Yes…I know…It’s just a funny coincidence thagt there’ll be someone who comes on here and does these hit and run posts like you’re doing that basically just gets worthless arguments going until most people stop taking the bait and quite playing the trolling game. Then out of the blue…a whole new character sounding exactly the same and getting things all stirred up again, and the other is gone…..I’m sure there’s no connection…Just a coincidence that this keeps happening…
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Free stuff? The 47% who will never vote for Romney because they just want to lay around and collect a check? The dependent class?
This is one of the reasons the Tea Party lost this election…
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The TEA Party FAILED, now they want their own country(s) to ruin.
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The fox party reminds me of a drunk who’s life is falling apart and blames everyone for his problems except the guy in the mirror. Kind of ironic how the group that claims to be so religious and moral doesn’t seem to consider doing a little soul searching
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I look forward to seeing how many people on here keep the same views over the next 4 years.
Its easy to sit back and defend something that sounds good when its affects havent hit your house yet.
Lets see how manyt people are on here defending Obamas policies when you lose your job because your employer cant afford to keep you and pay additional taxes and Health care insurance for you.
You will sit there today and say its a bunch of bull, but its already been said it will happen by the very people who will be doing it.
The owners of companies arent going to accept losses, they will just lose people.
See you all in 4 years
at least the ones who will be able to still afford internet.
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Hell Cap…If you keep getting so stressed out about this it might be you who goes first….Taking a dirt nap. All that stress will put you under. He’s not the enemy…He’s smart, and if the Republicans stop playing their little power games there’s a very good chance this can pull together. This didn’t happen over night, and there’s a lot of blame down the line on both parties, but none of that fixes anything.
You want to through anything that helps people in the crapper, but yet we have had for a very long time and over inflated budget for the military, and a damn drug war that’s also very over inflated because we can’t look at decriminalizing the lesser drugs and freeing up some of those war efforts. In fact if pot was actually legalized so it could be taxed it would be a big hit against the cartels, and a big increase in sales tax.
There’s just so damn many white elephants that they hang on to that just keeps costing more and more. What’s really needed is a bout of logic…..I know that’s a tough sell in the political world, but long over due….
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Silly.
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