Minnesota voters reject marriage amendment
November 6, 2012 at 10:44 pm in Duluth News Tribune
With 98 percent of precincts reporting, Minnesota marriage amendment supporters had garnered 1,374,189 votes, or 48 percent. That was short of the 50 percent or greater total needed to approve the amendment. Continue Reading
I am so proud of my state!
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I can not believe this. And the voter id, vote? Thanks, free thinkers.
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Oh Nos!
The gays might get married one day! How am I going to explain this to my kids?!?!?
Something something you will all spend eternity burning in hell something something the bible says it’s bad something something!!!!
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Hey johnzimm, the Jewish people still don’t recognize Jesus as God’s son– so why would anyone be shocked by the lack of understanding and acceptance of our local “Christians”? Through your posts you put the spotlight of bigotry is on you and your religion. Through the works of a diocese who protects some and punishes others, the Lord who loves gets dragged through dogma and the legalistic view of his writings.
Instead of viewing a person through your religion, try to view them as a child would, a view God-given, not taught by man.
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johnzimm said:
“a bunch of people who did believe in God figured out they could have all the world’s pleasures if only they would allow the same for their brother.”
Doesn’t that fall directly in line with scripture?
“The second is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.” Mark 12:31
Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
“namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. This commandment stands in Leviticus 19:18 and respects not an Israelite only, or one of the same religion with a man’s self, or his intimate friend and acquaintance, or one that lives in the same neighbourhood; but any man whatever, to whom affection should be shown, and good should be done to him, and for him, as a man would have done to and for himself; as much as lies in his power, both in things temporal and spiritual; see the note on Matthew 22:39.
There is none other commandment greater than these; in the whole law, moral or ceremonial; not the sabbath, nor circumcision, nor the phylacteries, nor the fringes on the borders of the garments, nor any other.”
Matthew 7
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Or maybe…..it has to do with what our founding fathers taught..”all men are created equal”
Or maybe….it’s just the result of what people like to call the Golden Rule
One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.[
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For people who say “It’s Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve” I understand what they’re saying… the first couple was a man and a woman. So we should, like, model ourselves after them because it worked out perfectly for them. If you don’t read the whole thing. If you do read the whole thing you find out that they’re not even the first couple. You know who is? Adam and God. That’s two dudes everybody. So look you’re modeling yourselves wrong. God and Adam are hanging out, God says: You’re gonna live in a garden, naked all the time, and I am watching always. Even though you’re wearing a leaf I can see through a tree. I am God.”
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Vern said:
“The founding fathers, when they said “all men are created equal”…..their meaning……MANKIND ( all humans )! Nothing more….nothing less!”
Exactly…meaning we ALL have the same rights. You can’t have it so that some are more equal than others.
“Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself”
it means love thy neighbor ( fellow human being )……and we were supposed to “get along” and love all human beings”
Again…exactly. If you ‘truly’ love your neighbor, you won’t try to make them less than you by trying to limit his/her rights.
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Actually, any reasonable Christian shouldn’t have a hard time. My childhood priest spent time in mass and cce making the point that the gospel is the word of Christ and that the Old Testament, while important, contains some notions we now find silly (e.g., not trimming one’s beard, not eating meat and milk products simultaneously) as well as some we find offensive (e.g., killing your brother for working on the sabbath, slavery). The people who pick and choose from the Old Testament to support their bigotry and hate do NOT represent Christianity.
I know it’s easy sometimes to see religious folks as zealots and bigots, but I think the vast majority of Christians are actually reasonable, loving people. Have your kid read the Old Testament for its history and the New Testament for its philosophy, and tell them if someone says “my god says” or “you are going to (hell, burn, etc.)” then they are not followers of the teachings of Christ.
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Most of us realize this.
It is a lot like politics. People try to divide everyone into either Religious or Athiest, there is no grey area.
But in the reality, most religious people are very similar to those who consider themselves Athiest. Similar values, even similar beliefs. Most all of us feel that the church has corrupted the word of god in many respects.
That is not to say that EVERY church has, it is more to say that churches in the past have done so. When you have too much power, it is easy to be greedy and try to change things to the way you want them to be. The church had too much power for a long time in our history, and that leads to people within the church to try and exploit that power.
But I digress.
Most Christians, Jews, Muslims and other religious people I know are very similar to each other. It’s when someone takes it to the extreme that creates a problem.
Everything in moderation, including religion.
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everything….except sex
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Well… friction burns are painful.
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indeed chafing needs to be addressed lol
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Dude, calm down, you are challenged in communications. Allow your kids to explain it to YOU!
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What does your posting mean
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Ranger is just challenging us
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Things like this just reaffirm my pride in being a Minnesotan.
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Luckily, this is one tragedy we averted….narrowly but… we did.
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I think that depends on context, zimm… I mean, I joke about Republicans all the time, and they make Dreiser’s ‘American Tragedy’ look like a Reader’s Digest story.
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I am also proud, but this was just a no vote on bigotry. I think we need to think about the next step. Perhaps we should borrow the language from Maryland’s Question 6, substitute Minnesota for Maryland and try to get it on the 2014 ballot:
Question 6, Referendum Petition, State of Maryland
Establishes that Maryland’s civil marriage laws allow gay and lesbian couples to obtain a civil marriage license, provided they are not otherwise prohibited from marrying; protects clergy from having to perform any particular marriage ceremony in violation of their religious beliefs; affirms that each religious faith has exclusive control over its own theological doctrine regarding who may marry within that faith; and provides that religious organizations and certain related entities are not required to provide goods, services, or benefits to an individual related to the celebration or promotion of marriage in violation of their religious beliefs.
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Correct. The language in MD allows those churches and other entities to “opt out” as they wish while allowing those churches that allow marriage to practice their faith.
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Agreed.
The correct way to handle this is to let the churches decide who they will and will not marry, as well to include language in the law to protect churches from lawsuits that could potentially arise.
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u can always go start your own country ala atlas shrugged style…just dont the let the door hit you on the way out…and i find it funny that the ones touting to be the most moral and ethical of us all we find are just a bunch of hypocrites.
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Well Levi, at least some of you are owning the wacky-fanatical designation, that’s a start.
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just where exactly did i own this whacky/fantaical designation you have given to me lol? and reading your initial post one can surmise who the real fanatic/whacko is
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Levi, I stopped responding to your drivel a while back. All of your radical, aggressive nonsense is just meant to troll and stir the pot. The fact that you’re a self admitted pot head null and voids any of your arguments in support of fanatical liberals anyway.
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lol im radical?? nice try though…im not an admitted pot head either…i smoke pot it doesnt define me however…i see that conservatism has defined you however especially since you have to resort to personal attacks instead of debating the facts of the case because you have no case lol.. and i like how you call someone a troll on here just because they call you out on your nonsense. BTW smoking pot has no relevance in this discussion so who is the troll exactly>>lol and i bet you drink alchohol so does that make all your good points irrelevant? lol please do reply again i will destroy your arguement anyday.
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actually no.. If you get downvoted into oblivion, that means you are making other conservatives upset.
If you haven’t noticed, the DNT comment section is fairly conservative in comments and in voting.
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You know Brian, that might not be a bad idea. Perhaps then you’d have a realistic idea of what life is like on welfare. I’m sure there are plenty of people out there on welfare that would be happy to take your job.
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Oh Jessica, I am far more enlightened than the majority of people out there, I would guarantee yourself included. Welfare today includes 55″ flat screen tv’s, free rent, free heat, free electric, food pantries over-flowing with tenants asleep until noon or on their couch texting on their I-phones. I would love to not know the truth, ignorance truly is bliss. VERY few on welfare get off of it, those that want to do.
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If your job is so terrible that you’re jealous of people on welfare, please quit. Make a little room for the people that don’t just want a job, but actually need one.
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Vune, just because my job allows me to be educated and aware of reality, doesn’t mean it’s a terrible job, it’s quite enjoyable, you’d probably be impressed. My frustration lies with the ignorance of the posters on here, there is absolutely no grasp of reality. The people on welfare are very comfortable being there, there is no shame, and they want for nothing. It’s a different story for the laid-off types getting food or heat assistance, that’s what the programs were intended for. And actually, for the people that need and deserve it, because they’ve earned and paid for it, it’s very hard for them to get. Normally, their prior income is too high to qualify for anything, by the time they would qualify they’re back to work, but, by that point they’ve had to sell or have lost everything, their credit is ruined and they have to start over. Does this seem right to you? This is the truth about welfare.
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You’re the one with a poor grasp of reality.
If the world works the way you describe, why is it even a bad thing when a working family loses everything? They can just go on welfare, and “want for nothing.”
Heat, electricity, and food aren’t luxuries. We need those things to survive. Big screen TVs are affordable now. If someone wants to save their measly government stipend and buy one, no, I don’t think that’s a terrible thing.
You’ve got a job you enjoy. Why are you jealous of people who don’t have that?
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Haha Vune, thank you for summarizing the ignorance, it truly is bliss! With a response like this you’re obviously on welfare, and if there are a lot of you out there with thinking this warped, God help us. We need utilities, so someone should provide them, flat screens are affordable? You’re as disgraceful as the users. The people that have lost everything still have pride and won’t go on welfare, that’s what you and the others are lacking. It’s true, liberalism is a mental illness.
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Hee hee, ha ha, it’s all a big joke, isn’t it?
Yes, flat screens are affordable. If you want one so bad, save for a few months. Save for a year if you have to. Sensible people don’t foam at the mouth with jealousy when they see a family with a color TV anymore.
I answered your questions, despite how ridiculous they are. Why won’t you answer mine?
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It’s not jealousy, I’m tired of going to work to pay for some lazy welfare case’s flat screen, do ya get it?!
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Call it what you want, but I saw your deleted post, and it sure sounds like jealousy from here.
Your hatred of the poor comes from your irrational view of welfare. If you continue to live in your fantasy world where people on welfare have it better than the rest of us, you are going to be a bitter, angry man.
Please figure out a way to talk about welfare reform. There are some real problems with the way welfare is distributed, but denying food, heat, and electricity to families in need is not a solution. And get over the fact that people have TVs now.
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Yep, you don’t get it, and I’m glad you saw that, then you got my point, wasn’t bad, just honest, they get touchy around here, especially with some. I’m all for reform, just that the bleeding hearts won’t like it. Welfare should be like jail isn’t, it should be uncomfortable. You don’t get to be on welfare for life, you get a year, 2 with proof of not being able to find a job. You’re on welfare and you have another kid, you LOSE benefits. You are not allowed to buy a new 55″ flat screen, you are not allowed to buy new furniture, until you’re off of welfare, no matter how well you’ve saved my money, give that amount back.. You do not get to file a tax return for thousands of dollars because you are able to breed, repeatedly, that is not a skill or job. If you’re on welfare you will take a pee test, I have to to pay their bills(from work). I truly wish the lay person did get it, it would be changed immediately.
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And Vune, I hope you’re not confusing welfare with social security, social security is something people work all their lives to receive, housing, food, electricity, a huge flat screen if they save their nickels, they’ve earned it, I’m happy to pay for that, my previous posts reference the losers suckling off society, that is wrong. Can you imagine if the welfare money went to help the upstanding elderly with their medical bills? THAT would be amazing!
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And here I thought I was talking to a Christian.
Good luck selling the idea that we should treat the poor worse than we treat our prisoners. I guess I’m the one who just doesn’t get it.
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Vune, you officially just don’t get it, I’m sorry I can’ draw you a picture. You’re not protecting the poor and disabled, you ‘re protecting the lazy and worthless. If you ever pull your head out, or decide you want to become educated, let me know, I’d love to show you the light, reality if you will. Reality, although frustrating, is the only way to understand how you’re being played.
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You’re not attacking the lazy & the worthless, you’re attacking everyone on welfare. That includes many of my friends, and their parents, who are neither of those things. And you’re attacking children when you look fondly on the days when society labelled kids as “illegitimate.”
If that doesn’t reflect your beliefs, as I hope it doesn’t, then you’ve chosen your words poorly.
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I don’t have any sympathy for people on welfare, I think if you looked closely at your friends and their parents you’d find they could do something to get off of welfare. The fact you can reference both your friends and their parents being on welfare, you’ve proven a huge part of the problem, generation after generation, doing the same thing.
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Nobody’s asking for your sympathy. You told me that I don’t know who I’m defending. You’re wrong. I know their names, and I know what they’ve been through.
Not everyone on welfare has been on it since the 60s. The families that I know went broke together. But conservatives love to perpetuate the “cycle of dependence” myth, so I shouldn’t be surprised that you went there.
Enjoy your fantasy world, and keep up the good work. You may not realize it, but people like you make far more life-long democrats than welfare ever will.
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Brian~ Your constant proclamations that you have good job, are well educated and have clear grasp of reality then proclaim that people on welfare and needing assistance are lazy and just sitting around collecting handouts and should cut them off is oxymoronic.
You DON’T have any grasp of reality and You need a reality check. I would first suggest spending a lot of time volunteering at a homeless shelter. Over 350,000 of our own Vets will experience homelessness this year. See the women there with children in the shelter that are hungry, talk with the wounded Vets about their injuries, PTSS and what happened to them, see the people living on streets with disabilities…then after that spend some time volunteering at a Hospital..and see how many people you don’t EVER see on street in wheelchairs and struggling with disabilities because are housebound. Then come here and claim that we should just cut them off and they’re just all lazy and we should just cut them off of any assistance as being undeserving.
Your “reality” as you proclaim has just been a cocoon of denial for there is whole underlying stratification of culture of the poor and those in desperate need in this country that most ignore and don’t see…as cleary you haven’t…but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Conservatives on this topic always take this self righteous view of poor and welfare with broad sweeping generalities of negative stereotypes. The real reality is that by advocating broad cuts in assistance that many need they are advocating taking the handicapped and disabled, the hungry children, the wounded vets, the elderly and those that even worked their whole lives but hit a bad patch…and tossing them all under the bus……and usually at the expense of needing money to build more prisons and drones and warships. America doesn’t have a budget problem as much as it has a priority problem.
I ran a homeless shelter for couple nights a month for 10 years in Chicago..I’ve volunteered for years at a Hospital…so know of what speak and did so while not only had great job but owned own business…because the most important question in life is what are you doing for others, not you’re so much better cuz got yours and screw everyone else.
“Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed.” ………..Herman Melville
“When I feed the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist”…Bishop Dom Camdre
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Brian, I can’t decide if you are delusional, completely insensitive, or just a jerk. When did Americans start becoming jealous of those on welfare, as if most would have a clue as to everyones situation. Please quit hiding behind the bible to try to mask your sad contempt for anyone different from you. Way to go MN! Lets keep up the good work.
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Oh Brian, open your eyes! How many of the elderly disabled people in the country do you think should be out applying for jobs? And since most people on welfare in the country are children, what kinds of jobs should we have them apply for? Look at the big picture… Preventing welfare fraud is good, as is helping people who need a hand up.
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Religion is a crutch for the weak minded….and the Bible is a work of fiction.
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Jojo……quotations from Jessey Ventura…..do you think he was credible? LOL!!!
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I wouldn’t say Ventura is credible, but if you want to play a fun game go ahead and tell me Biblical sources that are.
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lmao nice mister…best laugh ive had in days
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“The bible states that people will turn away from him as the end as we know it approaches.” Apparently then all of this is god’s will? Thank you god, let the party begin!
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That “party” you are referring to, as I understand it, is being held by the devil. I, for one, am not interested in attending. I am not surprised to to the negative comments. A survey done in 1950 revealed that 1% of Americans did not believe in God. That grew to 4% in 1990 and 20% in 2011. When you hear people say: God Bless America,” it appears those days are coming to a close, as its people are clearly turning away from him.
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I am sorry for the fear in which you live and hope you can find the strength to break free.
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William~ “As a praying man, I ask that our leaders find the strength and courage to adhere to what is written.”
Actually the GOP leaders, Catholic Church and right wing Christians went against what is written but the people stood up for what is written…and what’s written is that everyone should be entitled to equal rights and pursuit of happiness and that we won’t discriminate or abridge those rights based on sex, race or religion.
You believe you hold the true answers, bully for you, but that’s your belief and is not held by everyone and you suffer delusion that you are so right and therefor entitled to go against the Constitution.
Christian denominations can’t even agree on very basic interpetations of bible or beliefs of true word of God. The Gospels of Paul, Matthew and Mark can’t even agree on Joseph and whether even existed at all or not or who was if did. Then there are the religions that don’t agree with any of the Christian beliefs and then add the atheisists. There’s a whole lot of folks arguing with each other that their God can beat up the others God or that the others God doesn’t even exist, only theirs does.
Now imagine any of those religions or even Christian denominations outside of your own making laws saying you no longer had the same rights as they did because your beliefs were wrong as didn’t cosign theirs and they were going to enure you weren’t allowed to practice them with the same rights they had and were going to make laws prohibiting you from freely pursueing your beliefs and your Church would in fact not be considered legally recognized by the state and would therefor lose it’s tax shelter and non-profit status.
Not hard to imagine that those same folks including you, would be marching. protesting and hollering for all they’re worth that it wasn’t fair and that the Constitution quaranteed them the right to equal rights as all other religions. Or would you just resign yourself that was OK because that other religion and belief certainly must be right?
“God created sex, Priests created marriage”…Voltaire
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“When you hear people say: God Bless America,” it appears those days are coming to a close, as its people are clearly turning away from him.”
I can’t wait for those days to come to a close!
The only room I have for this God is on the green stuff in my wallet… and to be completely honest, I hope I live to see the day when he’s not there, either.
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I don’t have any problem with churches paying taxes, and that day may come. The bible says to gladly pay the tax person…which I will always personally do.
There’s nothing that could prevent me from my personal relationship with God, no matter what man’s laws may evolve to. I have no fear of persecution. I expect it.
I do find it interesting, that in my 50′s, I’ve seen a drastic change of opinion regarding God since I was a teen and aware of such things. I’m watching history unfold with incredible clarity.
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William…..I agree! Don’t let these Liberals get to you. I too, am amazed at the changes ( in attitudes and lifestyles ) that are now considered the “norm”. Also I have wondered how these lifestyle changes are effecting the USA ( in God’s eyes )…..as well as the rest of the world’s lifestyle changes…..that have been previously written about in the Bible……and how those changes would effect God’s outlook on all of us….as a society! I agree, that God’s blessing on the USA…..has deteriorated immensely in the last several decades……as we seem to be sliding down that slippery slope…….much faster these days! Some of these folks should take a much closer look at the Constitution….and the TRUE meaning of all the contents! Now days, people seem to define meanings as to “fit” in with their personal agenda….their desires in life…and their wants…..rather than what is actually written……or for the overall good of ALL people! This is really, really sad…..that as a society…..we have morphed into this! This was certainly NOT God’s will…..what we have become……remember, God gave us ALL, the right to make choices….good AND bad….as we all will have to live with the “side-effects” of our choices! Folks…..go back to the Constitution….and re-read…..what our founding fathers vision was for our country……and please, try not to read your current feelings about the gay marriage thing into what the founding fathers…..actually say about equal rights!
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These are not new issues, Vern – you just didn’t have the internet when you were a kid. The first gay marriage in the US happened before you or I were born.
This is way overdue. Nobody wants to go back to this:
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Things really have slid since those glories 1950′s. Now we have blacks marrying whites, women voting, Catholics and Mormons running for president… where is the world heading next? Pretty soon everyone will be treated as equals. If we are not careful a lesbian will be senator from Wisconsin. If that happens the world will surely come to end. In fact it will come to end on May 12 2012. What that date is past? Ok, let me get back to you. I am sure the world will come to and end… Just a sec, who can I find to hate now… I know, woman that wear pants. What, they do already in some states? hmm, how about men that wear dresses, that can’t be normal can it? OK lets pick on them for awhile. All agreed? Men that wear dresses are going to destroy this planet, all we know and turn our children into something scary and horrible. Whew, I feel better now.
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William~ “I do find it interesting, that in my 50′s, I’ve seen a drastic change of opinion regarding God since I was a teen and aware of such things. I’m watching history unfold with incredible clarity.”
“Perspective is in the eye of the beholder”…Ralph Waldo Emerson…is a truism, not just a phrase…
Yes, some have come long way in that period of time…why I remember in my youth and the same youth as you in fact, that terrorizing, demonizing and threatening little black Children from attending same schools was considered doing God’s work. As was denying Blacks equal rights, beating and jailing them for their attempt to stand up for their equal rights were many a devout Christian claiming God was on their side. Many a Christian claiming that to allow blacks and whites to date and marry would be doing the devils work and was a sin and against the bible. There was also in those days an epidemic of young girls dying from home abortions because mostly good Christians made this society one to judge and condemn them as sinners and whores made them so ashamed they risked death not to endure the condemnation, while the Church went and shielded and protected child molestors.
It is convenient rationalization and merely a shield to hide behind to claim one must be right because God is on their side, but whenever one draws a line in sand against another and condemns them for their actions and behaviors and claims God is on their side, is the one time he most certainly is not….at least not my God…but then my God is different then yours, mine doesn’t embrace bigotry, prejudice and judgemental condemnation as commendable traits..many a abonimal atrocity has been committed by those claiming they are doing God’s work…
Stop evoking God’s name for your prejuidices and political agenda’s….Jesus wasn’t a conservative…
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I grew up in West Duluth and my best friends were black and native Americans. They were my equals then as they are today. The injustices you proclaim may have been done by people claiming to be rightious, but those that read the bible know they wrongly used the bible to shield their injustices. I knew it then as I do now.
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William…my post was pointing out the falsehood in your claim that things have gotten farther away from God and been on slippery slope and society is disolving because of it…I was merely point out all the atrocities, violence, bigotry and hatred that was so part of this country we’ve removed that you conveniently overlooked…and the fact many of those doing such heinious acts were claiming they to were doing God’s work..and were good Christians…
Don’t judge others and don’t condemn them and throw stones at them for their behavior…words to live by…for some of us.
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i can sin for eternity since jesus died for them as long i ask for forgiveness for said sins it doesnt matter lol…soo yeah call me a sinner all you want i wear that badge proudly.
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Vune…..I realize these issues are not new….BUT, they were not advertised in the store front windows like they are today! We are on a very, very slippery slope with all this kind of stuff going on in today’s world. I certainly, do NOT look down on, or think they are a lesser person….they are human beings….if they are hurt, I will help….if they are in trouble….I will not turn my back on them…..they are human beings…..not trying to take away any rights from them at all……..it has been against the law……till all this craziness started! I am sorry….I just feel it is un-natural! Just because I disagree with this, does not make me right…….just that there are too many things that add up to…..not right……not meant to be! I would never be able to explain to you why….in your heart, I believe you know the truth….just that perhaps, your mind has gotten caught up in all this stuff, and that you believe a right has been taken away from someone…..the right had NEVER been granted for this! They just feel that the right has been taken away from them, as they feel everyone else views them as less than equal…..and that is nonsense! Somehow, with others of the same view…and showing support and solidarity for one another….they get all pumped up about it…..so they start DEMANDING equal rights to marry the same gender. Some things are right….no slavery…..women’s rights…and a host of other things….BUT, a marriage between the same gender is wrong…..always has……always will be….even, if they get the law changed ( which I am sure they will )……it will still be wrong, and no law made by man-kind will EVER change that! Don’t start preaching to me about this being only for religious reasons!
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Our government gives marriage rights to heterosexuals. It denies them to homosexuals. It doesn’t matter that we’ve always denied marriage rights to homosexuals. It’s still wrong.
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I count myself as an Agnostic… I was raised Catholic, my entire family is (technically) Catholic, and we decided, as a family, to worship independently. We quit attending church during the first part of the child abuse scandals. To me, any Catholic, Christian, etc, that decries homosexuality or same-sex marraige needs to look at the religion they believe in and really think about it…. Stand in the pulpit, decrying homosexuality and gay marriage as immoral, unethical, etc, getting your parishioners all riled up to go vote ‘yes’, all the while winking at your alterboys and patting them on their behinds. So consensual gay relationships are wrong, but forced gay relations with a minor are apparently sanctioned by the church. Seems a mite hypocritical to me.
I have NO issues with same-sex marriage. If two people want to get married (in a LEGAL sense) what does it matter to anyone else? As for the religious end of it, I could care less. I am a huge proponent of the separation of church and state. Religion should have absolutely nothing to do with government policies, laws, etc. If a church doesn’t want to perform a marriage for same-sex couples, FINE! Big deal. There are plenty that will.
What it comes down to is people judging other people for the sake of feeling better about themselves, whether they use their own feelings or a religious view to justify it, so that they can impose their hang-ups upon others…because no one can be right except them. A lot of it seems to come down to self-righteousness.
Someday, this will all pass. I have absolute faith in THAT. Same-sex marriage is not weird, it’s not taboo, it’s not unhealthy, it’s not immoral, and it’s not unethical. That’s the beauty of a free country. Hopefully someday soon everyone will realize how stupid the same-sex marriage fight is and let bygones be bygones. I know a lot of people that are ready for that now.
I say congratulations, Minnesota, I am proud of you. I am also proud of my state for electing an openly gay woman to the Senate. I didn’t root for her because she is gay, I rooted for her because she’s good at what she does and deserves it.
I say again, what difference does sexual preference actually make? Not to you personally, not to a particular religion, but in the grand scheme of things? It doesn’t make ANY difference, in any way, never has, never will.
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Different kind of Pride parade…LOL…..am amazed how many have said to me how proud they are of their fellow Minnesotans for voting this down…and it’s clearly sincere, best could described as actually…~beaming~ when say it. It tis’ a thing to really feel pride about when standing up for others rights.
Of course ….there were all those predicting it would ruin their marriages and dillute them somehow…so I guess we’ll see divorce rates skyrocket here in next few months…but at least Minnesotans took a stand for people’s rights…and yeah, am kinda beaming at that thought also…
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