OUR OPINION: A lesson in football and life
October 3, 2012 at 4:30 pm in Grand Forks Herald
If the officials had made that sacrifice if they’d suspended the players or otherwise acted in a way that put a football game at risk taxpayers would have known that the officials had put the students’ character development first. Continue Reading
I note in the story that the father did not obtain or follow the advice of the public on how to deal with his son. Rather he made the choice on how to deal with the situation himself much as officials at NDSU did. Not much different me thinks.
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The punishment didn’t take into consideration the importance of the amendments to be on the ballot. A misdemeanor in this case seems to not be able to consider differences in the importance of petitions that are in effect forgeries. IOW there petitions that don’t have the gravity of the ones @ issue here. The conservation petition is so important @ this point in the crisis that the environment is in. NDSU showed no appreciation of that fact.
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That is the business of the court to decide not a University. Also if the measures were so important to you did you volunteer to collect signatures? Because of the fradulent signatures they did not have the number required to get on the ballot. If people had believed it was such an important issue there would have been thousands of extra signatures backing the measures and they would still have had the required amount of signatures and be on the ballot.
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For the life of me Glen I cannot think of one single reason you should be supporting the university. This is an easy case of right vs wrong. No major moral quandaries.
The players exemplified what is wrong with college athletics (I am a player so I am above the law) & the school showed its true priorities.
If you are having trouble with this situation how do you deal with the big issues of life: women’s choice/right to life; security vs freedom (patriot act); gay marriage; is Always Correct really Al Carlson in drag?
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Simple I am defending the right of the court who has jurisdiction over criminal matters to address them. Dicipline of students is not a criminal matter and in the hands of the University. Now I would have suspended all 10 of them for 1 game after the court was done but I am not in charge of students.
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I did however notice that the UND Hockey program suspended some of its best players from their first game for actions that happened off the ice.
UND could have followed the NDSU model and simply allowed the courts to mete out the punishment.
Yet UND saw fit to send a simple message, “You represent the University”.
Did they have to do that? No.
Was it the right thing to do? Depends on what kind of message you want to send to the community.
I for one feel UND sent the proper message while NDSU showed their community that Victory at any cost is the model of the day.
Glen is correct, it IS a choice, and in my opinion NDSU made the wrong one.
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Well said Captain
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I think that the team as a whole was done a disservice. If the individual players were taken out then the rest of the team could have learned how to step up and do their best in a bad situation. Not only that the team now has a record that they can get away with breaking a law (no matter how minor) and the team victory will always be the most important thing.
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In the previous articles the head coach is quoted as typing the people involved weren’t told of the penalties for committing the fraud. Really? The ignorance of the law defense? Thats the best Craig Bohl could come up with?
Lets face the facts here the local high school football team is held to a higher moral standard then the NDSU football team. When a high school players get in trouble with the law they get suspended from the team. At NDSU when you break the law who cares because the student code of life is just a piece of paper with words on it that doesn’t apply to student atheletes.
NDSU just sent a message to fans, players, prospective players, and the community that being convicted of a crime has no bearing on your ability to participate in extracurricular activities. I raise the questions what is the moral and ethical standard of the players and staff at NDSU? Obviously, their own student code doesn’t answer that question. Also, when the criminal court system becomes involved in a players life should the coaches and atheletic director be the ones making the decsion on that players eligibilty when their best interest is to win games? or should the state board of higher education be involved as a neutral third party to decide the eligibilty of players who commit crimes?
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Are you kidding me? This is some kind of twisted satire…correct?
The Herald has the nerve to chastise NDSU while the University of Screw the Sioux sold out the Sioux and the Alumni and the Engelstad family for 30 pieces of silver delivered by the hypocritical NCAA.
Hey, here is some advice for the Herald and Grand Forks….
look in the mirror!
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Come on always, I’m pro logo but this is different. You give pro logo forces a bad name.
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In the grand scheme of things, the punishment doled out to athletes for criminal activity is small potatoes.
Compare that to the complete lack of integrity displayed by the State, The University of Screw the Sioux and the SBHE and the Coaches And the Alumni in the logo debacle…?
No one involved, including the Herald….should be throwing stones.
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Do you guys really think that these players knew that they were supposed to do anything? They were probably just collecting a paycheck from some alumni while they had someone else filling in names for them. This is the NCAA why would NDSU be any different from any other school with their athletes? You guys can keep arguing about UND Vs NDSU they are both ND Schools, why don’t you start arguing the old ford vs chevy next.
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yeh…good point.
Why would anyone believe that a college educated person could possible know what the hell they are doing, they just do what someone tells them to do….
It appears they recieved the same education as the SBHE, Berkeley Bob, and the Governor…
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If I ran NDSU, those ten players would be G-O-N-E.
If they’d have forged signatures on their tuition or housing checks, what would have happened?
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Your point is well taken, but since they are scholarship students, they sign neither. We import them to play for us & in return we assume the role of Daddy Warbucks.
If they were simply brilliant, they would in fact have to write a check. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am not aware of one single full ride academic scholarship to a ND school.
Like I said, please correct me if I am wrong
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Well start with the Chester Fritz scholarship that is pure academic. I am sure there are others.
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Al Carlson in drag?
Would that be a bad thing?
And we all thought you were a libertarian…you know … live and let live.
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You’ve done a survey?
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