Muslims and Christians explore common bonds during Iraqi Kurds’ visit to Duluth
September 19, 2012 at 7:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
Religion doesn’t have to be a barrier between the East and the West, a member of an Iraqi delegation visiting Duluth told a group on Wednesday.
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— “As Muslim believers we think that all religions are correct. We believe in all the messages of other religions, because all of them are messages from God.”—
There are also millions of people who call themselves Muslim that believe ONLY their brand if Islam is correct and that all other religions come from the devil. They are the ones we need to be thinking about and defending ourselves from.
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Also true of a good parcel of evangelical and/or fundamentalist Christians, no?
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Yes. Whats your point?
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This reminds me of a joke.
A Christian and a Muslim walk into a bar. The Christian says “Buddy, you’re a good guy, but there are a lot of really bad Muslims out there.”
The Muslim says “There sure are! There are also a lot of really bad Christians.”
The Christian says “What’s your point?”
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What was the Muslimn doing in a bar? That is not permitted. He could get stoned.
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That reminds me of a joke.
A Muslim comes to town. He tells a bunch of people that we Muslims all believe in all the messages of other religions, because all of them are messages from God.”—
And the towns people believed him.
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It seems that many people mistake pattycake explanations of human behavior (for example, see the recent rioting & assassination in Libya) and believe that events are inspired solely by a given religion. And then they say things like “There are also millions of people who call themselves Muslim that believe ONLY their brand [of] Islam is correct and that all other religions come from the devil.” It seems entirely possible that they would use this reasoning to support inhumane treatment of Muslims and other “exotic” populations in general and, frankly, I can’t tolerate such extravagantly ill-informed BS on general principle.
I suspect that you may be one of these people. One of these people who thinks a gun would help them when a library card is what they need. Having a gun in the closet doesn’t hurt, of course.
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The Quran starts off with a series of books called Suras. In the first few Suras the Quran identifies Allah as the one and only God. You must strictly follow Allahs word or you are an infidel and subsequent suras direct followers of Allah (believers) to kill all infidels. In fact if a follower of Allah kills an infidel that believer is entitled to all possessions of that infidel, including the house, property, cattle, wives and children. If a believer is in any kind of trouble and asks for shelter to hide from detection, a believer must provide that person shelter or is considered an infidel an is subject to being killed. Kind of explains Osama hiding right next to govt offices in Pakistan, doesn’t it? Islam is a religion of “Believe or Die”. Plain and simple.
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Isn’t Allah God?
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Rania sounds like a wonderful guy and has a beautiful religion. But where he needs to be spreading that message is in the dozens of countries around the world where people who call themselves Muslim are murdering Christians and blowing up churches. Convince these Muslims that THEY are wrong about Islam. And he may actually do some good and save some lives.
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Pardon me. Abdullah sounds like a wonderful guy,.
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“I don’t think the religion is the problem.”
Really? Try harder. The religion is exactly the problem.
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In moderation, religion can be a very useful tool for our society. The problem is that just like any tool it can be used improperly and sometimes as a weapon.
That weapon is more effective when used to control a group of people who do not have the base of knowledge needed to be able to think for themselves.
But arguing this is like arguing which came first, the chicken or the egg. Is it the religion that makes people act the way they do? Most certainly, but I think the extreme behavior is caused by societal issues rather than the religion itself.
Most of the followers of these religions in modern nations are peaceful, caring individuals.
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Call me jingoistic, but when was the last time you heard about Christian extremist terrorists bombing embassies and murdering ambassadors? It’s nice that this guy visited Duluth, but he’s not the problem.
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You’re aware maybe of the Crusades and war Christians waged on Muslims? How about the Spanish Inquisition? How about the bombings of abortion clinics and killing of abortion Doctors? How about the Christian Pastor that inflamed the Muslim world with film and burning of Koran? Throughout history Christians have slaughtered whole groups of people because they were considered pagans. We actually had Christian Chaplain bless the Engola Gay and say to crew that they were doing God’s work!
Muslims don’t own the patented rights to fanatics, they come in all denominations and religions.
“With or without religion, good men would do good things, and evil men would do evil things. But for good men to do evil things, that takes Religion” Steven Weinberg
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This ^
Just because one religion no longer does what another religion is currently doing does not mean there is a problem with the religion.
It means there is a problem with the society in which the religion is prevalent.
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I have not been aware of any recent activity along those lines — nor have I done any research — but I would note that I have had first-hand experience with an incarcerated population and that prison was CHOCK FULL of Christians. Some of them committed senseless hot blooded murder, others raped their children for years on end.
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Digits~ Suggested research…look up “Jesus Rifles” or “Military Religious Freedom” website.
“I like your Jesus. I don’t like your Christians. You’re Christians are so unlike your Jesus” Mahatma Ghandi
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Wonder how they’d feel if we strolled on over to their embassy, and decided to take out of few of their people, and parade them in the streets?
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Every time the US military attacks a country is when fakey Schmoozer
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When the “good” ones stand in front and say enough is enough I will listen, until then I am a non believer..
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When the media finally gives sone publicity to the “good” ones who are out there every day saying enough is enough, I think you’ll still be a non-believer.
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Okay smart mouth, name me one Islamic leader who has come out in opposition to the religious cult war on America.
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Is this an answer or a question, lost one?
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It was a question, obviously. But it was rhetorical. I assumed you didn’t know that Muslims were holding pro-America rallies. I also assumed that you didn’t care.
Was I right?
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As per “my” words “name me one Islamic leader”.. Not mob…!
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Scroll up. You also said “When the “good” ones stand in front and say enough is enough I will listen.”
But you aren’t listening. Why not?
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Still waiting..!
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You’re “still waiting” for something that’s been happening for a very long time. If you can’t see it, nothing I can say will change your mind.
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Name Please….!!!! Waiting..
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Why? You’re an adult, you know how to use Google just as well as I do.
Have you been unable to find any names on your own?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GCXHPKhRCVg#!
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Actually, I didnt realize the Kurds had much of an issue with the USA. Saddam seemed to be killing them quite often till we stepped in. Kurds are the least of our concern.
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The Kurds should consider changing the name of their tribe so they’d be taken more seriously.
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I wish god would get off his butt and send a new prophet to fix things up before man destroys everything on the planet except the cockroaches and the rats. I mean a real prophet, too, one we can believe in, not just someone smooth-talking like a damn politician, or trying to fake miracles with David Blain video trickery.
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Another prophet? Haven’t they (and their followers) screwed things up enough for you yet?
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Warren Jeffs called himself The Prophet. My religion is inside of me. I take it with me everywhere I go. I don’t need to go to church on Sunday and pay someone to tell me what to believe in. Others can do as they please but I don’t follow anybody.
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Slow down, Charlie Browns. That was just my god joke for the day.
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“god” or whatever you want to call the power of the universe, isn’t the problem it’s our interpretation of “god” that causes all the problems. We keep thinking god is out there somewhere…..a separate entity that is all judgemental and looking over our shoulder all the time to make sure we’re following his/her teachings perfectly. That view causes all sorts of fear and fear is what causes the vast majority of religious problems.
Someone brought up the subject of christian vs muslim bad behavior earlier. I’m sure many if not most religions have had their own period of ill behavior. What bothers me isn’t what religion someone who does evil acts is…..what bothers me is when their very reason for the act is identified with their religion. For instance, if a religious fellow blows up a building that’s terrible, but unless he spews religious words right before pushing the button, it’s not necessarily something he’s doing because of his religious beliefs, but perhaps for some other warped reason. It’s when I hear someone yell, “god is great” right before pushing the button to blow up (or some other criminal act) something that people start to identify the act with a specific religious view rather than just nutty people in general.
Personally, I can’t imagine following anyones instructions to worship a god who asked his followers to wreck all kinds of carnage to people, places or things to please him and bring paradise here or somewhere else after they die no matter what brand of belief it is.
Again, god isn’t the problem, we’re the problem, our intrepration of god is the problem, our belief that only god can bring about parasise on Earth by converting all others to our brand of religion or off with their heads. Certainly we couldn’t do that with better behavior and caring for our fellow citizens………could we ?
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The Quran identifies Allah as the one and only God.
Our own bible states
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:2-3
So who is right? All faiths have their own set of beliefs and not all make sense to the other.
if we are to blame all Muslims for the recent happenings we should also blame all other religions worldwide for the extreme behaviors of their people.
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They can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong. The real world is much more interesting.
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The notion of a “correctness’” of any one religion reminds me of this quote:
“We seldom realize, for example, that our most private thoughts and emotions are not actually our own. For we think in terms of languages and images we did not invent, but which were given to us by our society.” — Alan Watts
So then, whether or not you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist (or whatever) really has nothing to do with any sort of “Divine Truth” and everything to do with the social milieu in which you were brought up. It’s by and large an accident of your birth. This becomes abundantly clear if you have lived for any period of times among other cultures. Christian men I’ve known that have converted to Islam for have done so to marry Muslim women and certainly have never bothered to visit a mosque again. It’s the epitome of arrogance that those of one belief would wish to attempt to convert those of another.
I’ve never talked to anyone who has come back from the dead. Have you? Nobody really has the slightest idea of what they are talking about. And, by the way, who came up with the idea of monotheism or the so-called Holy Trinity anyway? It seems to me the whole cast of characters in Greek and Roman theology were a lot more entertaining.
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I imagine you are a royalist too.
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How can a Marxist be a royalist?
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Why does a self proclaimed Marxist live in a Capitalist country..?
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I was born here, family here, it’s legal to be one & where better to fight than from the “belly of the beast”.
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Sounds more of greed and envy, Karl would not like that..
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Lots of Islamaphobia here!
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