Biden: ‘Republican obstructionism slowed progress’
August 21, 2012 at 9:27 am in Grand Forks Herald
Vice President Joe Biden pounced on Republicans, with his main targets Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, during an early afternoon downtown Minneapolis rally. Continue Reading
Biden…best thing that ever happened to conservatives, a gift that just keeps on giving, keep up the good work Joe!, glad Hillary declined the offer last week.
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Obama obviously doesnt have what it takes to get everyone to work together.
Its time to try again.
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That statement is revisionist history. When Obama was elected, Repubicans said their role was to obstruct everything he tried to do. Everything. They have fulfilled that promise, and now, blame Obama for not getting people together. Jeez, can’t you see what’s happened? Take the blinders off.
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Could you be a little more specific and tell us which ones and when? I don’t recall anyone saying that. What exactly did they obstruct?
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Just precious when “brain” asks for specifics when he never gives any. Here’s one to get you started “brain” — and it’s a video clip so that you don’t have to make an effort to read anything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHV4nDS501Y
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That audio doesn’t say anything about obstructing everything. Nice try, but your fabrications only work on your like minded lemming pals. You seem to think I’m trying to convince you of something justasec.
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To paraphrase the old anti drug commercial, the posts above represent your “brain” on fox.
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Unlike you I don’t need to continually refer to someone else to tell me what I should be saying or what I should think. I listen to Fox less by far than the National Barack, All Barack and Continual Barack Channels. I think for myself and long ago rejected what you’re stuck with.
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I rest my case!
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I’ve read enough of your posts to know I want no part of the far left fringe.
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Well, see if it makes more sense explained with an Irish accent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B5OWRRJh-PI
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Nice pick. The Irish economy is in shambles due to the lunatic policies you support.
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Yup, just ask Soros, he’s still the best at that stuff.
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I cant believe Obama lets this guy outside.
We want to crucify one politician for saying dumb stuff but we ignore this one man walking circus.
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On account of Sarah Palin being McCain’s running mate Biden was kept on a short leash in 2008. He wasn’t allowed to attack her due to public perception. This time around he was given the all clear. He will have his foot in it soon.
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I’m not a Obama guy, I’m not a Romney guy…I’m a Ron Paul guy so take this comment for what it’s worth. Comparing Biden’s slip ups to Akin’s is comparing apples to kangaroos. Slightly different…no doubt Biden often sticks his foot in is mouth, but Akin who somehow doesn’t seem to understand sexual assault on females (which unfortunately is probably the norm with males especially Republicans in congress) its not even on close or on the same planet. Let’s face it Romney, Ryan, and others would love to legislate a woman’s lady parts but they are making a hasty retreat a turn the other way- due Akin letting the cat out of the bag…trust me, they are all thinking “boy am I glad he said that 1st, cause I’ve always said the same thing privately” The fact of the matter is Washington is broken- but it’s broken not because it’s Washington- but because America is broken as well. And that’s not because were not conservative enough or progressive enough…but it’s because we’ve lost the ability to compromise…listen and argue in a respectable manner. Don’t get me wrong our Fore Fathers would have some nasty debates but I believe they had more reason in the end.
Trickle down economics has never been proven to work- even though the Republicans would have you believe otherwise. Just because the Job Creators aka rich have had more money they’ve never shown the propensity to improve those below them. And yet trying to utilize the Federal government to create jobs while it has proven to work for the short term for depression area works projects has proven to be a disaster otherwise.
So there you have it…2 choices both horrible. Enjoy- we can’t seem to get away from these sub par candidates. Oh while were at it…how’s all that spending on the war on drugs going- Both Republicans and Democrats love it. I love how we just keep throwing money hoping it will fix it without really looking at how to curtail the problem…oh well, but it must create jobs.
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Republicans want the government off your back unless you’re a women and then they want you to be forced to bear your rapist’s child. That guy doesn’t deserve to have himself propagated. The Republican party just approved a plank in their platform that endorses women being forced into motherhood if their pregnancy is from rape or incest. What kind of people would do that to a woman? I can’t even imagine having to do that, but that’s what the Republican Party wants women to have to be faced with. Barbaric. Having the option of an early abortion is a humane response to this. Even the morning after pill is not approved by Romney and Ryan.
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Here’s the part that I wholeheartedly agree with:
“The fact of the matter is Washington is broken- but it’s broken not because it’s Washington- but because America is broken as well. And that’s not because were not conservative enough or progressive enough…but it’s because we’ve lost the ability to compromise…listen and argue in a respectable manner. Don’t get me wrong our Fore Fathers would have some nasty debates but I believe they had more reason in the end. ”
Remember that George Washington warned against factionalism (political parties). In the end, some people put allegiance to party before doing what is best for the US. Why do people think compromise is weak? If we can’t learn to compromise, we are going to destroy this nation. I am going to get “dislikes” from both democrats and republicans, but I don’t care. There are major problems with both parties and neither side is willing to admit them!
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Yes….The Dems have becom Republicans and the T’s that have taken over the GOP have moved so far to the right that they’ve fallen off the charts….Their beloved Regan would be booed out today if he tried to run for office because he’d be considered far too liberal…..It’sd not “Some” that are unwilling to compromise…..Plain and simple it’s the fox party that’s taken over the GOP that basically wants a one party system so they’re unwilling to compromise…….What I can’t figure is why everyone else isn’t shouting to this toxic bunch that they want their democracy back and always a two party system
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My my, an extreme left liberal, tundrabeast, telling us all about the ideal makeup of conservatism. I needed a good laugh right away this morning.
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Where are grandpa Joe’s handlers?
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If you liked what Bush did for the USA you’ll love Romney-he just can’t wait to do the fatcats bidding and those fatcats made record profits under Bush’s policy’s while the rest of us suffered….
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Well Jeff…As we’ve seen….They don’t want real leaders…They want figure heads they can control. During Bush it was actually Cheney’s White house………Would it actually be Eddi Munster look alike Ryan’s white house if by some huge cheating efforts they actually won?
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You’re right, Melody. The old line about the wife telling her husband of 30 years of how she used to sit next to him while he drove and he replies, “well, I didn’t move”. I believe the left has been moving further to the left socially and economically inch by inch. JFK would be a Republican now. He lowered taxes, was pro-life, and the speech, “Ask not…”. This is why both sides have problems negotiating because they begin so far apart. What either Party must do is start small and try to win the other side over. After all, “Rome wasn’t built in a day”.
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You’ve got it backwards lowrent. By objective analyses Obama is more conservative than Ronald Reagan. It’s the right that has shifted. Kennedy’s speech about separating his religion from government would be seen as ultra-liberalism by both sides these days — sadly!
Here’s today’s reality: A handful of extraordinarily rich people are in the process of buying the election. The Koch brothers are at the forefront, and a key “architect” is Karl Rove. You can thank the Citizens United ruling (plus regulatory indifference) for this — and reasonable Americans should be horrified whatever their political leanings.
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….whatever their political leanings — and here’s a link which has a lot of information about how both sides are funded. Draw your own conclusions!
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159768245/jane-mayer-obama-in-impossible-bind-over-donors
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Justasec, you continually write posts that imply that the Republicans are trying to “buy” the election. What you ignore is that in both the 2008 and 2010 elections the Democrats received more support from Corporations and their executives than the Republicans. While I won’t be voting for many Republicans because of their completely out of touch social platform, the idea that Democrats are free of the influence of big dollar donors is delusional. Run some quick searches on campaign contributions and you’ll quickly discover that Democrats receive huge contributions from single source donors.
You may also want to revisit the Clinton Presidency, where economic success was achieved through tax cuts and spending cuts negotiated with a Republican House and Senate. The policy of tax and spend has never proven to be successful. You could redistribute the entire wealth (not just income) of the top 10% of this country and fund the Federal budget for less than a year. We have trillion dollar spending deficits. Bill gates has about 60 billion dollars of wealth and if you took every dollar he has you’d barely put a dent in the spending deficit for this year let alone the total federal debt. The total federal debt is now just short of 16 trillion dollars. You’d need to take 100% of the wealth (again, not just income) from 267 “Bill Gates” just eliminate the current debt. Sorry, but the average wealth of the top 1% is only 15 million; you will be well into the middle class before you have enough assets to cover the current federal debt. And don’t forget that next year we’ll have to do it all over again. Even President Obama concedes that his “tax the rich” plan will have insignificant impact on the yearly spending deficits and the federal debt; but it is sure a great pitch for getting votes.
I never would have imagine typing this, but I wish we had President Clinton back. In the upcoming election Romney is a heck of a lot closer to President Clinton than Obama is to President Clinton.
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Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents we have had. He was great at bringing both sides together to accomplish his goals. What an economy we had.
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Joe, your point is well taken, but if you read all my posts you will see that I have lamented the dishonesty from both sides, as well as the influence of money — especially since Citizens United. In fact, the post you responded to had a link which showed how both sides are funded — and I invited readers to draw their own conclusions.
My conclusion is that super pacs are indeed trying to buy the election — and the right has the advantage at this time due to several extraordinarily rich people pouring in money for their own ends (“business expense” as Mayer puts it — see: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/27/120827fa_fact_mayer ).
If I could wave a magic wand (a metaphor — I’m not superstitious!), the media would develop a sudden zeal for using their 1st amendment rights to expose political dishonesty. In addition, there would be the category “none of the above” on every ballot (candidates and issues), and there would be no winner without a true majority (so run-off elections or complete do-overs might be required). That is the only scenario I can think of where honesty could be enforced.
In the meantime, I’d sure be heartened if We The People took more responsibility in holding the liars accountable. Pragmatically, I wish our reps in Congress could accept compromise more and get something done. Both sides are guilty of obstructionism, but in my (as objective as possible) analysis, the republicans are far worse than the dems on that count.
Finally, I wish more folks would remember that Karl Rove was the “architect” of the Bush victories. If they remembered that, then they would likely ponder his current “architectural” ambitions a bit more deeply. Do we really want him and the Koch brothers deciding this election?
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“Media–using their 1st Amendment rights to expose political dishonesty” the left and Obama are toast if that happens.
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Obstructionism by Mitch mcConnel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc
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Republican obstructionism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPqOnSfwVhQ
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The Dixiecrats were kicked out of the Democratic Party by HHH in his 1968 Civil Rights speech @ the Dem convention. They never went away & those facrions have over the yrs. infiltrated the Republican Party & have now successfully hijacked it. The election of a Black POTUS was the final straw for them & to take power & undo that election becomes the goal of the right wing in 2012.
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That should read @ the 1948 Dem. Convention HHH kicked Diziecrats out.
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Don’t just blame one side for moving from the center. BOTH sides have moved on different issues and some party leaders are so extreme that I can’t associate with either side. If you don’t HATE Republicans, there is no place for you in the Democratic Party and vice versa. I have good friends who are Republicans and good friends who are Democrats, and some friends who are REPULSED by how politics have evolved.
We do have a lot of problems in our country, but if hating the other side and trying to prove them wrong becomes more important than solving the problems, then we might as well throw in the towel now. People who see this need to stand up and become leaders for our country…not just leaders of a political party.
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Those are fine platitudes. Acceptance of your premise would require that one would have to believe that one idea has as much merit as any other no matter how foolish it might be. One would also have to believe an obscure fantasy of “middle ground” is the holy grail of being correct where in reality it guarantees a flawed conclusion.
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No Brain…middle ground isn’t always the holy grail…but you can’t be afraid to go there to get things done. Supporters on both sides won’t allow that because that might mean they would be wrong and nobody wants to look like they supported an idea that was wrong. This is my point…not always taking the middle ground.
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Sorry Brain… I responded too fast without reading the beginning state. I agree. People won’t accept that an idea opposite of their own may have some merits on some level.
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It is true that an opposing view can have points of merit. Compromising ones principles for the sake of “getting things done” has no merit.
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But that’s the funny thing, Brain. Much of what we take a “stand” on is not very principled at all. All I am saying is that we consider finding middle ground when we can and not being willful or stubborn just because we don’t want to be wrong. You can’t tell me there aren’t politicians on both sides who have been guilty of this.
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We’re getting far more done now than we can afford to the tune of somewhere between 5 and 6 trillion dollars over the last four years.What aren’t we getting done and what else do we need to get done that we can’t afford. We clearly haven’t spent ourselves into prosperity and even if we took all the money taxpayers, including the rich, make this year it wouldn’t cover the deficit for this year.
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You jumped the gun there by thinking that I meant getting things done equates to spending money. I don’t advocate “spending ourselves into prosperity”. I am more conservative than you think, apparently. That’s what party politics does…divides people.
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I haven’t made any judgement of your overall political views whatever. I don’t see anything incendiary about your posts, I just don’t know if I can subscribe to all of your points. I haven’t seen your posts before that I can recall and am just trying to figure out what you’re about.
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Brain, I’m just sick of negativity. I am for more local control of just about anything because local seems more efficient to me, except for our defense. When you get involved in politics locally, people get to know you and even if they don’t agree with everything you stand for, they can still work with you if you have integrity and are honest. On the national level, people are horrible to each other. The only way they can get elected is to hurl insults at one another, and usually they are full of half truths – on both sides. This is happening at the state level with Berg and Heitkamp.
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Clearly, one of the problems with political parties is the tone they set. The Democrats try to create class warfare by accusing the wealthy of not paying enough taxes and balancing the budget on the backs of the middle class. They make you think that government helping you is your only hope. What is this argument going to accomplish? All it accomplishes is hating the other side and getting more people to become jealous of those who have made money.
The Republicans create fear that the socialist liberals are going to take everything away from you and redistribute your hard earned wealth. What does that do? It destroys community. It makes people less likely to give to worthy local charitable causes that don’t rely on government funding…then they fail because everyone is so worried about holding on to their money.
Both scenarios sound awful and create hate for the other side. When in reality, we have a huge deficit that both sides created. Now each side needs to give a lot in order to fix it, but that won’t happen, because which ever side wins, they will continue to perpetuate hate, with the other side blocking anything they try to implement.
Think I am the only one who thinks this way? Hardly. Just because they are not viewing comments on area voices doesn’t mean they don’t exist. People are sick of politics as usual. Something has to be done to reengage the majority of middle class Americans who are sickened by this tone.
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I just don’t know what Obama would do with the mess he would inherit if elected.
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He’s not inheriting it, it’s his own mess.
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I like your sense of humor Brain.
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“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, quoted in National Journal, November 4, 2010
“Single most important thing”!!…not jobs, not economy, not the debt, not spending, not taxes, not the wars….Nope…no obstructionism here
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When everything they’ve done has only made things worse, and their only plan is to continue to do more of the same….Then all they can do is put removing Obama as a priority because otherwise even their most brainwashed fox heads might start to ask them just “How” are they going to change things for the better…..Maybe…Then again how short of a memory lapse do they actually have when within a year after the near dustruction of the economy helped along by theBush administration did they buy into the spin that it wasn’t Bus…But Obama….Who really hadn’t even started with anything yet…..I don’t know if they’re tha gullable, or just a bit brain dead…
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We have to insure that Obama gets reelected so we don’t have trickle down economy again. There isn’t much trickle down when Romney and Company ship all the jobs to third world countries. Wouldn’t it be nice to buy clothes made in the USA? You might even be able to buy clothes of the same size that are the same. Just a small example. I for one intend on getting the social security I am entitled to. Don’t drink the Romney/Ryan Kool-Aid.
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Obama’s dismal failure is the result of him succeeding in doing what he wants. Obama means fewer jobs, more debt, more spending, more taxes. We can’t afford another four years of Obama’s America.
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Justasec, sorry, I couldn’t reply to our exchange above, I ran out of reply room. We have more common ground than I would have anticipated; my short-sightedness. Where we may differ is I don’t view Rove or the Koch brothers as any worse than the huge donation that come from public employee unions to the Democrats; collectively public employee union donations make the super-pacs look small. Check out the following link: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php . Note I said they were no worse, not that they were better. What gets my goat is the implication that one party or the other is influenced to a greater extent by big donors and, that the Democrats are perceived as receiving less dollars from big business than the Republicans (when in truth they received more in the last two election cycles). Unfortunately, the solution (in my opinion) is an educated electorate. It drives me crazy when people are interviewed and they are asked who they voted for and the response is “candidate X because he/she was endorsed by party Y”. I would rather hear someone say I voted for candidate X because he is against owning white poodles, at least that person found an issue they could identify with and took the time to find out which candidate held their position.
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I vote for those that won’t be voting for the current extreme left democrat leadership.
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Head in the foxhole again if you really believe that the Dems and this prestident are “Extreme Left.” The right as moved off the charts and the left is basically about as conservative as the real Republicans were about a decade ago before they allowed the circus freaks to take over the party. But you’d never know that with your head stuck in the fox hole just believing the nonsense they put on your plate…..
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I know your Extreme Leftist Playbook says if you tell a whopper like “Obama isn’t an extreme leftist” often enough that the lie will become true, but it doesn’t work here. The “real republicans” of a decade ago were losers that previously lost to Bill Clinton and they resurfaced to nominate John McCain, your beloved, who “reached across the aisle”.
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If you thing Obama is not only and leftist, but an Extrem leftest…..Then you have no idea what a real leftest is. An extreme leftest is someone like Kicinich. Obama is nowhere close to him…..In fact he’s a bit of a thron in Obama’s side because he’s protested Obama for being too far right and not fulfilling some of the promises he made to the left about the war, Gitmo, and for not standing up to the right more than he did.
Ok…Answer em this….You always have great negativity towards Obama and the Dems, but what has these new “Winners” of yours ever did that’s actually helped anyone other than themselves and the wealthy? What have they done to help you? What “New” ideas do they have for the future that isn’t just a repeat of the same formulas that nearly brought the country to its knees….Or do you just swallow the hype and believe they have some mysterious plans that will save us all? They don’t and by not actually trying to reach across the isle we’ll continue to have a political system that doesn’t work for any of us in the working class…….Is that what you’re looking forward to? One more round to complete the plan to bring it down?
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They need to get out of the way and let capitalism prosper. It’s really amusing that you think Obama is anything other than far, far left. I just accept the fact that far lefties are delusional. They can’t help themselves with all the Obama channels out there; All Barack, National Barack and Continual Barack. As far as bringing the country down Obama is doing a fabulous job. Nearly four years now of the new version of the old Jimmy Carter Misery Index.
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Obama is an “extreme leftist” compared to current republicans like Capt America is an extreme leftist compared to brain.
When you are 90 degrees right of right field, center field looks like left field!
BTW, it’s sad to see guys like Arlen Specter fighting for his life. He was one of the last congressional reps to actually value the country over self. Best wishes for a recovery Arlen!
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Vote far left Obama for another $5or6 trillion of deficit spending so we can all go over the cliff together. That’s what I call bipartisanship. Too bad about Arlen Specters health problems. He was the poster boy for the RINO’s that the far left love.
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Joe, I don’t think your source includes the super pacs. Check out the link I posted earlier (now thumbed down from view by the brains as Area Voices): http://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159768245/jane-mayer-obama-in-impossible-bind-over-donors
I think the source is credible, and the numbers support my case.
While we do agree a lot, I think an objective analysis shows that the republican side is more self-serving, and less constrained by any sense of ethics.
I’ll be interested in your comments.
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Justasc, you are correct, I don’t think that Super Pacs were included in the link I provided; my link is to direct campaign contributions. I will even agree that in terms of Super Pacs Romney is ahead. But in terms of total dollars, it isn’t even close, President Obama is far ahead. The latest Federal Election Commission report reflects that President Obama’s campaign had received 348.4 million in contributions and Romney had received 193 million. Not included within Super Pac money are the millions of dollars in government employee funds and contributions from other labor unions that are received. Both parties receive and are influenced by big donations that ultimately shape their policies, regardless of the source of those contributions.
The materials you have linked to are the summary of an interview and article of a writer for the New Yorker Magazine. The article focuses exclusively on Super Pacs while ignoring the all other sources of campaign funding, leaving the reader with the impression that President Obama is hopelessly outmatched in fund raising, a very incorrect impression. The irony is that while Super Pacs are associated with “big business” the largest are really funded by individuals. When direct campaign contributions are reviewed, President Obama still leads in contributions from Wall Street firms, lawyers and most large industries. My irritation is the continued insinuation that Romney is the candidate of big business when in truth President Obama receives more in contributions from those donors. I don’t agree with the political platforms of those behind most of the Super Pacs, but to imply that Romney is somehow more susceptible to “influence by big business” is in my opinion not correct.
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It’s time to take the gloves off and Biden is doing just that. He;s exposing the GOP lies. The lie is that they are for the middle and working class. BS. They are for the wealthy, plain and simple.
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Right on. It used to be that Republicans were full of Christian charity for the disadvantaged believing that the poor will always be with us and that it was the right thing to do to help out. Now the poor are called lazy recipients of public tax dollars who deserve our contempt for not having a job. Now government is only to provide for tax breaks for the wealthy. All other social safety net programs are on the list to either be eliminated, downsized, or transferred to the private sector. I believe that government has a role to play in helping the poor. Republicans no longer do.
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Republicans still give more to the poor than liberals. You can’t coun’t the money you liberals have been able to steal from the rest of us you know.
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If hyou’re going to put outragous comments like that out there….Then back them up
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It’s not outrageous.
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Tundra, ‘Brain’ is extremely correct that libs give MUCH less to the poor. If you want proof try something called “Google”.
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Tundra, for one example, check the percentage and ACTUAL dollars Biden’s ‘charitable’ tax deductions were over the years , bet yours was more.
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Bright light Repos….The outragous part was about the stealing…..you’re all so used to Brain just blurting any such nonsense about the left (And figuring it must be right because it sounds much like what you heard on right wing media) that none of you even noticed it….
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I know it’s a foreign concept to you on the left that anyone could possibly think for themselves. Many years in the left wing lemming herd will put your brain on stupid lock like that, so you don’t feel a thing while following your leader over the cliff.
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Brain — my apologies for ever doubting your substance — I never knew that there was a book about you: http://www.amazon.com/The-Republican-Brain-Science-Science/dp/1118094514
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Ah “reality!” Click on the link and read pages 2-5 of the intro.
Tell me brain — have your ideas ever “evolved?”
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Once I accused you of trolling, but then apologized because I saw one or two actual logical debates…….Intentionally or not you definately love trolling. I have to admit that you are a very skilled troller…..You manage to get a few of us jumping at the bait…….Enough of this boring trolling crap. If you have something worthwhile then go for it…..Otherwise you’re just not worth wasting time on
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When your argument inevitably falls flat on it’s face I’m a troll. I understand.
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For that to be true you’d first have to have a argument rather than just talking point you picked up from right wing media……You only have talking points and jabs and nothing of substance…..Your form of debate can be found daily in the recess yards of grade schools around the country….That’s not informed debate…..That’s just a whizing contest
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I suppose you had to call the DNC to get their clearance on another post. Your points are 100% out of the far left democrat playbook. Repeat those leftist points enough and they’ll turn into the truth.
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