It’s official: Romney picks Paul Ryan running mate
August 11, 2012 at 3:25 am in Duluth News Tribune
UPDATE: Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney tapped Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin as his vice presidential running mate today, turning to the architect of a conservative and intensely controversial long-term budget plan to remake Medicare and cut trillions in federal spending. Continue Reading
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TJ, does Mr. Ryan remind you of Eddie Munster? (thanks to the post of another we all know and respect)
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This might be harsh but my first opinion was he looks and acts like that smarmy lawyer Anna Nichol Smith was hanging out with before she died. (Howard K. Stern) If nothing else I’m honest.
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Mr. Quagglechek’s question was: TJ, does Mr. Ryan remind you of Eddie Munster?
Ulysses, would you be happier with me if I answered with a simple yes or no? If so….my answer is no.
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Thank You TJ, Ulysses I never said the guy was ugly just that he reminded of Eddie Munster.
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Good tj! LOL!
Ryan Quote: “This is the worst economic recovery in 70 years,” Ryan said in remarks prepared for delivery. “Whatever the explanations, whatever the excuses, this is a record of failure” on the part of President Barack Obama, he added.
Sure its not fallout from the last administration? Its going to take 8 more years to rebuild America after the W fiasco, do we really want someone in charge that thinks its a good idea to make medicare for seniors a supplemental insurance plan or better yet a president that will not cooperate and release his tax returns? He did it for McCain and McCain chose Palin that’s gotta tell you something!
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Ryan hit a home run, and that is why you are nervous. I was voting for Gary Johnson, now I’m listening to Romneybot.
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Not my first choice, but not as weak as Portman or booby-trapped as Christie (I gave it about 72 hours before the New Jersey Gov said something ‘controversial’). Pawlenty was only slightly more known and useful than Portman and Sarah Palin was a suicide pact. It should have been Mr. Rubio — much more known, likeable and useful, garnering hispanics’ votes and swinging the large number of Electoral College ballots toward the Republican candidate. Just my 2 cents, for half price this morning!
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Romney must have a suicide wish. I’m sure that picking the guy who wants to turn Medicare into a voucher system that puts more of the onus on senior citizens to fund more tax cuts will REALLY play well in Florida and Iowa. I was thinking that Romney’d win the electoral vote w/o the popular vote but Iowa and Florida have a LOT of senior citizens whose votes are probably now going to switch.
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Nobody that is 55 or older will experience any change at all. People up thrugh 54 will see modifications of the plan but that is necessary so the whole plan doesn’t collapse under insolvency.
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Did you study Ryan’s plan? It cuts Medicare spending to pay for tax cuts. The debt still grows since the cuts in ‘real’ spending (adjusted for inflation) go to tax cuts rather than deficit reduction. Health care spending inflation is around 4 times the inflation percent for the rest of the economy. His cap of voucher supports to the inflation rate in the regular economy means that voucher recipients can ‘enjoy’ seeing a 6-8 percent rise in their expenses year after year!
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Follow up question: When do you think Ryan will EVER get to stop President Obama from saying whatever he wants? The most that will happen is 1 VP candidate debate with Senator Biden who can more than hold his own.
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Do you understand why radical change is necessary? Do you understand that $1.5 trillion deficits and > 100% GDP debt cannot continue?
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I think we do. Of course, I also know that the deficit is back under $1.5 trillion and the debt still has a ways to go to hit 100% of GDP (last time that happened was WWII).
But I think I agree with your fundamental point. As the CBO notes, if we do not elect a president and congress willing to let the Bush tax cuts go away we are going to have a hard time getting our fiscal house in order (and that 100% of GDP number might become a reality). The Bush tax cuts and the hammering those plus two unfunded wars have given our economy may be felt longer than all the borrowing we did for WWII (we certainly are not going to dig out in 4, 8 or even 16 years from that much insanity). And thats not even considering what a problem we would have if the interest on the outstanding debt starts to rise.
So, I agree, we could use a president that would kill the Bush tax cuts dead and perhaps let the temporary tax cuts for the payroll (medicare/social security) tax die and perhaps one that would show some backbone and go to a medicare for all system which would save us money. But we aren’t going to get one because neither candidate has that courage.
Problem is, we keep hearing folks on the one side who tell us tax cuts will fix everything (trickle down, trickle down) and folks on the other side who just want short term fixes (a little nudge to payroll taxes, some stimulus) and suddenly the economy will come roaring back. Trickle down’s only remaining believers seem to be amongst those folks who have not studied history (e.g., a good portion of Congress and just about every tea partier) and the folks who push for fiddling around the edges fail to look at Japan and its lost decade (plus) of doing the same thing.
But hey, thats the system we’ve got. I almost admire Ryan, because while I think his plan is ridiculous (and guaranteed to double our deficits), at least he is willing to blow the current system up and start over.
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Rick
As of July 2012, debt held by the public was $11.12 trillion, while the intra-governmental debt was $4.81 trillion, to give a combined total public debt outstanding of $15.93 trillion, roughly 103% of current dollar GDP.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
Tax cuts will not fix anything. No one argues that. There are. But you cannot achieve acceptable levels of growth without low tax rates, and reasonably regulation. No economist disagrees with that. And only with robust growth do you have even a chance to deal with poverty, the budget, and a raft of social ills.
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Sorry, tax cuts will not fix EVERYTHING I meant to say.
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Ah, but when you say “100% debt” I assume you are following the common use of the term, which is national debt held by those outside of the government. It may be reasonable to put debt held by one part of the federal government to another part of the federal government on the books but then we have to start over in talking about the overall situation. For example, as noted on that Wikipedia page the national debut using that measure rose 20.7% during the last four years of the Bush administration (and largely before the Great Recession). In the years since it has risen 15.4% and that is slowing quickly. So, the Obama administration, dealing with one of the most catastrophic economic events in our history will not have done as much damage to the economy as the Bushies did during a period of relative prosperity.
All of which is to say, perhaps when making a statement, if you are going to move the goal post first you should add the caveat that you are moving the goal post, so any comparison of the numbers you are using should be made by going and looking up the new numbers you are referring to.
And those numbers are not ones to make anybody comfortable with electing a Republican:
Change in Federal Debt by administration (using Gross Public Debt measure):
1977-1981: -3.3% (Democrat, Carter administration , not a lot of tax cuts)
1981-1985: +11.3% (Republican, 1st Reagan administration, lots of tax cuts)
1985-1989: +9.3% (Republican, 2nd Reagan administration, lots more tax cuts)
1989-1993: +13.0% (Republican, HW Bush administration, on balance more tax cuts)
1993-1997: -0.7% (Democrat, 1st Clinton administration, some targeted tax cuts, but lots of increases)
1997-2001: -9.0% (Democrat, 2nd Clinton administration, targeted tax cuts, cutting programs, economic growth)
2001-2005: +7.1% (Republican, 1st W Bush administration, massive tax cuts, raised the debt despite starting with surpluses)
2005-2009: +20.7% (Republican, 2nd W Bush administration, continuation of tax cuts, bailouts at the end)
2009-2011: +15.4% (Democrat, Obama administration, the Great Recession, massive stimulus spending)
So, simply following those numbers, I can’t imagine anyone reasonable voting for a Republican president again (not that Obama is much better, but Democrats certainly seem to have a better track record as it comes to the national debt).
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You numbers are completely made up which is part and parcel of Obama’s campaign strategy – a new lie every day.
Fact is Obama has added more debt in 4 years than Bush did in 8. His budgets are so frivolous, so irresponsible, not one democrat on Congress has voted in favor of them. His economic “solution” is to shove money we don’t have to ideologically favored industry run by political cronies.
Vote for him and vote for complete collapse.
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Numbers are right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you quoted earlier (another page from Wikipedia) you can find the link to the above Wikipedia page which covers the history of US public debt.
If you think these numbers are made up feel free to go after the Wikipedia page and offer edits (unfortunately, their numbers have a lot references, but hey, go for it).
Sorry if you don’t like the numbers, but they are not lies. As Huxley noted, your”beautiful theory was killed by an ugly fact.” Probably want to check your “facts” better in the future.
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David Anderson said:
“But you cannot achieve acceptable levels of growth without low tax rates”
You know, I’ve been hearing that same line ever since Reagan was president and I can’t help but wonder why people are still believing it.
If you look at US history, you’ll see that our ‘growth’ has steadily declined along with lower and lower tax rates. The only periods of real growth have come in times of higher taxes.
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Well, taxes can’t be too high, but yes, returning to the Clinton era rates would seem to put us closer to the sweet spot.
Maybe eliminating the cap for payroll taxes should be looked at as well. No reason to get out of most of it after $100K. Having such a regressive tax seems like a bad idea (Mitt Romney almost certainly pays a lower percentage of his salary in payroll taxes than anyone posting on this board–unless they are unemployed).
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If by “interpret them into fantasyland” you mean report them from your sources and show they contradict your statements, then yes, that’s what I did.
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Did you study Obamas Obama care fiasco? Obama has gutted Medicare to help pay for his Obama care. Everyone will see cuts in coverage and service under Obama because dollars are being robbed from Medicare to pay for Obamacare.
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Don Raihala said:
“meaningless dribble”
I think the word you are actually looking for is Drivel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drivel?s=t
(Sorry but, that’s a huge pet peeve of mine)
“because Ryan isn’t going to stand for it.”
Do you actually think a vice presidential candidate is really going to be able to direct the President’s conversation in any way?
Aside from Cheney, vice presidents, especially as candidates don’t typically direct much of anything.
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Ryan is awesome! Heard him speak twice at length (without a teleprompter) down in Milwaukee. Let’s just wait and see – no sense talking about nothing. I expect a stop in Duluth, I’ll be the one wearing the Mickey Mouse Obama t-shirt please everyone stop and chat.
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Don’t you think that whole ‘teleprompter’ thing has worn a little thin?
It might have induced a few chuckles 2-3 years ago but, I think most people realize that it’s the 21st century and the use of a teleprompter is as common as cell phone use. Perhaps even more so.
Granted, a few people do resist adapting to new technology out of fear or ignorance but, they’re usually pretty old, like me.
Would it make you feel better if people went back to writing notes on recipe cards?
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Thanks Katy for saying what did…I never got this teleprompter thing from jump. It makes the Repubs sound like a bunch of children IMHO. Like in grade school when kids make fun of other kids for stupid things like what wearing etc.
Like Ulysses lame comment as example…~rolls eyes~…Presidents and other important folks have had speech writers for decades and have used some form of a telprompter for that long. Those that believe this is something new or something worthy even of making an issue of have a few screws loose IMHO….apparently they always thought that when Presidents gave speeches or state of union addresses etc…that they were just winging it…SMH!
“If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing”…Anatole France
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Addendum to my post: Isn’t the internet a wonderful thang’? Sure wish more that posted here would learn to use it..LMAO.
Katy~ I knew wasn’t crazy but decided to check on the teleprompter thing and Presidents have used them for 50 years. Dwight was the first and they all have except Bush was uncomfortable with them and preferred using index cards.. I was wrong about the speech writers though and surprised to learn that Obama writes most of his own speeches.
So it’s still childish to make fun of Obama for using one and just moreso IMHO, when have a whole handful of Republican Presidents that used it going back for 50 years.
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The Ryan plan would also stick it to the states by cutting Medicaid funding by $750 billion over 10 years. Unless you think people who can’t afford health care are going to willingly die, state and hospital budgets will take it in the shorts.
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It’s so convenient to forget that Obama already shafted the eldery by taking $500 billion from Medicare way back in 2009 to pay for Obamacare isn’t it. Oh right, I have to be more accurate – Obama transferred the anticipated future gains in the Medicare fund to cover a new goverment program. Let’s all ponder the last time we ever had any type of gain in any government asset account. Nope, none yet.
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Well, he’s definitely cinched up the hard right/TP vote. I think it’s gonna give a good number of independents second thoughts though.
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Don’t the bleeding hearts want Barry to have a Library..?
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Will it be built in Chicago or Kenya..?
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The BHO lovers are testy are they not….
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Talking to yourself is a sign of sanity not insanity as once thought.
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I see Barry’s babes are still upset… I love it…!
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This is such wonderful news! Everything will now be perfect !!!!!
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The “medicare coupon” guy….makes sense…the way the GOP has passed voter ID laws and closing down early voting in some states, the elderly won’t be able to vote anyhow
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Well yeah, but Republicans want to kill all elderly people anyway, so I wouldn’t worry about their voting rights. And black people and everyone on welfare, too. And Mitt Romney killed a woman who had cancer. And they only care about billionaires. Did I miss anything?
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Dan you forgot that it’s the republicans fault if anyone in this country is living in poverty. We need to pour double the amount we spend now on education so that these children get quality schooling. It doesn’t matter that some of these kids are not taught to value an education at home. And it’s the republicans fault if some in our society are on drugs or have lung cancer because they smoke. Or are overweight because they ate fast food twice a day. It’s the republicans fault if people are maxed out on credit cards. How about the people who have 6 kids with 6 different partners? You know…. It takes a village to raise a family. Because some parents are unable to step up and take responsibility. It’s those darn republicans again.
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I messed up. I forgot to mention corporations. And I didn’t use the word “conversation” incorrectly at least three times in each paragraph. And I didn’t say “sustainable” either. Well, it’s a work in progress.
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You also forgot the 1 percent. Why is it ok to bash the 1 percent ?? The 1 percent are the ones that are messing up the entire country. Or so people claim. If I were on drugs or not taking care of my children or didn’t bother to finish school then I’m off limits to being called out. Same goes if I can’t manage money or have no direction in life. Or if I have no job skills and want to walk into a 25 dollar an hour job to start. Why should anyone have to work up the pay scale over time? We are all owed full benefits in this world even if we don’t contribute. After all…isn’t this the way our country was built?
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Don’t they want to poison the drinking water too?
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Great choice and about the Medicare well Gov is so bloated some cuts have to be made and that includes medicare. We cannot keep spending and printing phoney money.
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Who cares. Both parties and all candidates are under the psychotic delusion that we can somehow return to days of burgeoning growth made possible by cheap oil that will never be cheap again. Those days will never return.
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Regarding Romney picking Ryan as his VP choice, the following are my favorite quotes I’ve read in the media (New Yorker article) about why Paul Ryan is an unacceptable VP candidate.
Think about both of them and they should make you smile
1) – “Ryan has no significant private-sector experience.”
2) – “Ryan’s Washington experience is also light, at least for a potential President”
I’ll leave it at that….
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Reminds me of someone…..
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The New Yorker said this about John McCain during the 2008 campaign: “A willingness to pander and even lie has come to define his Presidential campaign and its televised advertisements. A contemptuous duplicity, a meanness, has entered his talk on the stump.” Maybe Obama was taking notes.
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Paul Ryan…man that thinks Social Security is a ponzi scheme….yet used the money from that very system to pay for his college….reminds me of “bite the hand”….of course his government money for college is ok, but Pell grants aren’t…thus he wants to cut them also.
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My understanding of a “ponzi scheme” is an invenstment where early investors are paid off by with money by later investors. Assuming I accurately defined ponzi scheme….. how does social security differ from this in your opinion ?
I think one can still see the benefits and merits of SS without denying what it really is….a legal ponzi scheme according to definition.
As far as Paul Ryan using the benefits of SS to pay for his education, why not ? This is the system we live in currently. I think you can still advocate change without refusing to participate in our currenty system. Don’t you think maybe there are many “green” folks who don’t like our individual transportation system as it is…..yet drive a car on the freeway now and then ? How about those who think we should have a one payer health care system….yet they currently have a private health insurance policy ? How about those who oppose coal generated electricity since it’s very dirty….but yet are connected to the grid at their home where much of their electricity comes from coal fired facilities ?
I don’t think participating in what our current system is to the extant you’re legally able to, makes you ineligible to cite faults and/or improvements that should be made in the current system.
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Jessica..
The most important thing of all to understand is that conservatives, in particular John Birch Society conservatives which is what the Republican party has become today, old whine’s in new bottle, have been waging a war on Social Security for over 50 years trying to dismantle it. The agenda not only hasn’t changed, the very talking points and misinformation hasn’t changed about SS in all that time. The only difference is that it’s Republicans now taking up the misinformation and attack on Social Security as well as medicare and welfare benefits that were the John Birch causes and agenda’s. They were all key planks of John Birch Society which by no coincidence is the roots of the founder, Joseph Coors, of the Heritage Foundation that tells Republicans what to think, Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers. Golly gee, I wonder where and why Repubs are getting all their disinformation?
Almost my whole life I have heard the same repeated lies and threats from conservatives, that Social Security will be bankrupt in a couple of years, it can’t sustain itself. There was huge push saying same things in the 70′s forgawdsakes. Social Security despite all the misinformation and scare tactics by conservatives is solid right now to sustain itself until 2037! Does that sound like system on verge of collapse as talking heads prediciting? Does that sound like in our current economic disaster this is the immediate crises we must deal with? Or does does that instead shine light on some phoney misdirect and agenda?
In the 70′s conservatives were predicting it would be bankrupt and have already collapsed over 30 years ago. Apparently younger folks aren’t aware this is nothing more then the classic moral of little boy who cried wolf for 50+ years.
Using term Ponzi scheme is merely another soundbite used to demonize and confuse Republicans whom are easily misled apparently. It conjurs up as did with you images of a con game and illegally gotten gains. That’s the very intent of it. But in a Ponzi scheme, the investors aren’t doing anything illegal or immoral, they believe are making a good investment in earnest, it’s the person running it that is the con and criminal. Despite Republicans attempts to demonize SS as such it is not some get rich quick hustle, people have paid into it for almost 50 years, their whole working life in good faith, and that’s why there’s enough to funding to cover pay out’s for next 25 years.
It’s not some scam, some hustle, it’s people’s money they invested in good faith in the government program and the only scam going on is by some that want to tell people otherwise and lie that the money isn’t there. The real con being perpetrated is saying that the money isn’t there, because someone wants to steal it and pocket for their own uses. The irony for Repubs, I mean, for those incapable of thinking through beyond sound bites of what told to think, is what actually makes a Ponzi scheme illegal is the refusal to give back the money to investors that they’ve paid in. HELLO?
Your analogies in trying to defend Ryan profiting from SS benefits are likewise very weak and misdirects also. It still undeniably makes him a hypocrite as well as all the examples gave trying to whitewash him, they’re all still hypocrites.
“Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”….Voltaire
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I think Romney could have picked a bit better but that’s just my opinion for what its worth. Reason being, if you have concerns and want to try to voice them, there is a good chance you will be arrested and insulted.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-cracks-joke-as-71-year-old-citizen-is-forced-to-the-ground-videos/
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It can’t be good for the Republican ticket when voters are way more excited about the VP candidate than the Presidential candidate. I am not going to get into the whole ‘Ryan wants to kill senior citizens’ thing because it is fairly pointless as he will only be a vice president.
I, for one, am excited for the debates. Ryan seems like an intelligent enough person but I wonder if he can out-debate Biden. Biden may be a gaffe-ridden politician but he is a pretty good debator. We know Romney cannot keep his cool in a debate. We saw what he did with Rick Perry by squeezing his neck (in a friendly manner) and making a $10,000 bet. Obama is going to clean his clock when it comes debate time.
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You’re not going to get into the nonsense about Paul Ryan’s budget proposal because you know the Obama campaign and liberal talking heads are lying about it and misrepresenting it. You get points for not going along with them, though.
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Ryan is one step ahead of Obama. Ryan at least has a budget proposal. Obama has yet to come up with anything other than a continuing resolution.
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If I were a Republican I would think this choice was excellent. If I was a democrat I would say the choice is terrible. It is going to force Hussein etal. to talk about budgets and the fiscal future for this country, something Hussein wants to avoid like the plague because of the fiscal damage he has done. For now I will sit on the fence and watch the fun.
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Joe Biden said in a speech in Virginia today that with the help of Virginia voters, Obama can win North Carolina. I can’t wait until he debates Paul Ryan.
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Ulysses…Pop Quiz time, no cheating and looking up answers, put all reference material aside, you’re allowed one blank piece of paper and a number 2 pencil only if need to do some math.
1- In what year did the economy begin to collapse? _______and who was President for preceding 7 years? ________
2- Who was President that had to bail out banks, mortgage companies, write the TARP bill and draft auto bailout?
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3- Who was President that inherited a budget surplus upon becoming President? __________ and in what year ____
4- What was our budget deficit at end of Bush’s second term? _________
5- What year did Obama become President? _________
Once answered all questions you can check some of your answers to see how well did at link below:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html
Conservatives on Obama and the economic collapse we’ve experienced are like a lot of folks that believe the biblical account of Noah’s Ark and the Flood because such a great story and they want to believe it, but nobody asks how Noah found penquins and polar bears in Palestine.
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One thing about the Romney/Ryan ticket, they share a brain and neither one has a soul…And as these two clowns wend their way across the country, as their campaigning picks up steam, they’re guaranteed to offend even more potential voters. They’re losing the senior vote, women are next, working/middle class have long since been lost. It’s almost a paradigm shift in the way we all have come to think about elections….they seem to be hemorrhaging potential supporters/voters at every appearance. But thank god for that, because those two plutocratic fascists are just plain scary.
Obama/Biden, 2012
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DanH: Talk about nonsensical drivel, look at your spewing of generalities. Turn off Fox News, quit reading solely conservative rags, and maybe educate yourself on the real issues facing this country, that Romney/Ryan are ill-suited to fix (as most Republicans usually are….look it up, yep it’s true). Just a word of warning: Be sure to watch out for the impending Obama/Biden landslide….
I’d like to have a duel of wits with you, so to speak, but unfortunately I feel you’re an unarmed opponent.
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Dan` You responded to a post speaking biased generalities calling it liberal drivel while tossing out conservative generalities of drivel while naturally lauding self as one speaking truths …Awesome.
“I know that there are things that never have been funny, and never will be. And I know that ridicule may be a shield, but it is not a weapon. “………Dorothy Parker
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“No matter how healthy a man’s morals may be when he enters the White House, he comes out again with a pot-marked soul.” –Mark Twain
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“She had a pretty gift for quotation, which is a serviceable substitute for wit. “…….W. Somerset Maugham
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“If you want to make peace, you don’t talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.” –Mother Teresa
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Fastone: Ut est quare vos operor cepit?
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Mr. Grant do I need to travel to Duluth to defend my honor? If so spit it out. It’s a four hour drive and I would like to get this settled before dark.
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Ulysses~ It’s your line, tell it any way ya’ want, you usually do and rarely get it right. Speaking of…So how’d you do on the quiz? Figured not well as always seem confused as to who created the huge deficit, who responsible for TARP and who responsible for economic meltdown. Hopefully you got educated by checking out link provided.
Repubs killed bill last week by Obama to let tax cuts to wealthy expire and instead give tax breaks to middle class. THAT is what creates jobs, putting money in hands of consumers, NOT wealthy who don’t need more disposable income, they just save it. Consumer spending increases productivity which creates jobs. Tax cuts to wealthy ONLY increases deficit. So once again Repubs do the one thing that wouldn’t lower the deficit or create jobs and help economy. Yet Ryan is leading charge to counter Obama’s bill by not just letting the tax breaks to wealthy ride, by not giving the middle class a break but by further adding fuel to deficit by giving a 160K year windfall tax break to those making over a millionaire a year. A sure a lot of posters here will be excited if that goes thru…~rolls eyes~…Yet there are some that think the Repubs policies are in their best interests, well, they are if are a millionaire of course.
“After Democrats and Republicans committed to fiscal discipline during the 1990s, we lost our way in the decade that followed. We increased spending dramatically for two wars and an expensive prescription drug program — but we didn’t pay for any of this new spending. Instead, we made the problem worse with trillions of dollars in unpaid-for tax cuts — tax cuts that went to every millionaire and billionaire in the country.” — President Obama, April 13, 2011
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I like me Ulysses. And if I had to pick between you and fastone I would rather be friends with him. No hard feelings on my part. Have a good day.
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tj: To each their own. You are indeed entitled to your opinions, as am I. Sounds like we need to agree to disagree occasionally. In the past we have found ourselves agreeing and at times we disagree. Sounds like a fledgling long-distance friendship. Be well.
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Ulysses said ` “I have gone nose to nose with far tougher individuals than you and come out victorious, so if you wish…bring it on. ”
WTH?…Proclaiming one’s ferocity and claiming always victorious in reality on a message board is sure sign of trollish behavior. You going to duke it out with a young woman in reality and challenging her to bring it?…that is truly pathetic and sad.
Further evidence of that behavior would be the trifling nonsense of castigating posters for using quotes as further evidence that you really should not be taken seriously. No response to my showing your whole rhetoric on the debt, economy and Obama are wrong…so you going to step to me and Tj picking on us using quotes…lawdy…Mr. always victorious, you need a reality check.
The use of quotes does not infer the dumbing down of society…that’s not reaching, that’s you flailing and grasping at straws. The dumbing down of America is because folks regurgitate whatever utter nonsense are spoon fed without checking their facts ….kinda like you always do.
So who’s responsible for the TARP, banks, wall street and auto bailout that added trillions to the deficit? Ya’…tap dance all want…it’s not foolish to quote an author, historian or public figure, …foolisness would be to continually proclaim nonsense that you know isn’t true….but repeat it anyway…coughcough
“By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote. In fact, it is as difficult to appropriate the thoughts of others as it is to invent.” …Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Tj—- Tips cap…thanks….mmmm…I think? ..mmmm…~removes cap-scratches head~…well…thanks I guess, kinda, sorta…though not most flattering of comparisons, will take it as well intended but then, I have been wrong before..LOL….
“All I need is room enough to lay a hat and a few friends.”………..Dorothy Parker
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I enjoy your style of writing fastone. Be safe. Stay healthy.
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Tj~ Wasn’t fishin’ but thanks for kind words. BTW..the double pun with Dorothy quote was intentional cuz know like Dorothy..LOL.
“Perspective is in the eye of the beholder”…Ralph Waldo Emerson
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That did go right over my head fastone. Now excuse me while I finish an argument on the Forks board. I can’t seem to stay out of trouble these days.
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Eddie Munster? Is that the best you have? He looks like the next VP to all of us who are sick of the whiner/hater/socialistinchief. I love all of the comments on how the mean old Republicans are destroying Medicare. Notice when a Dem says this they mumble “as we know it” after the statement. Well no kidding Sherlock! Medicare is well on its way to bankruptcy and Obama is taking $750 BILLION from it and moving it to Obummacare. One and done.
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