by Duluth News Tribune
August 8, 2012 at 2:47 am in Duluth News Tribune
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus says Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker will be a featured speaker at the upcoming GOP convention. Continue Reading
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Like him or not this guy is an excellent speaker, even much better than President Obama with his teleprompter.
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I do not blame any politician for using a teleprompter. The way the media cuts and splices their speeches to fit the narrative of one party or the others agenda.
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Let me guess what he will say. “Unions are bad. Teachers are bad. Concept of public education is bad. Public employees are greedy and do not know their place. They only do bad, NEVER good. However, any regulations at all for corporations are bad. All corporations NEVER do anything bad, only good. Thank you for your time and God bless the U.S of A. Vote for Romney only if you love your country and God. Vote against him if you hate America and God. There is no middle ground.”…… Man I should be a GOP speech writer. Easy as pie.
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Unions aren’t bad Andy and public unions work for the people. The people in Wisconsin simply said enough is enough, your generous salary package is paid for by my tax dollars and we collective believe your demands are unrealistic and we wish to be in control since we are footing the bill.
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Dan, I work 100% commission and before that I owned my own business. However my wife is one of the “thugs” they talk about. Most packages are not excessive. Hers is not. Yes, there are some who abused the system. I agree changes could be made. I have absolutly no problem with saying no, we can’t afford it. I just do not think outlawing them, with regards to even discussing pay or working conditions was goverment overreach. However, while I do not know for sure, I get the impression Gov. Walker would not agree with you, along with most of the Republican party, and feel that unions are bad. I have seen the posts here and other places. I listen to the face of the Republican party(Sean and Rush) almost daily, and have NEVER heard them say unions where good. I do see the rest of my first comment sat OK with you:)
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Andy: Can you believe that unions are both good and bad? Unions were absolutely necessary and absolutely a good thing in the early days of the industrialization of this country. Unions can still serve a purpose BUT they are becoming a bad thing due to their continued abuse of the employer. Have you ever heard of killing the goose that lays the golden eggs? Well that is precicely where the unions have gotten to. Also unions have become nothing more than PACs that funnel their members union fees to candidates of the union leaderships choice regardless of the candidate(s) with whom the members may more closely identify. If unions hadn’t become abusive of employers (the taxpayers included) and of their members there would be no backlash against unions. Unions need to accept a little clipping of their wings in order to survive or there will be an all-out assault on unions.
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Ulysses, I agree mostly with that. Unions need to work better so both sides can prosper. That means taking concessions. Which they often do. I disagree with regards that I think there is currently not already an all out assult on unions. State by state union power is decreasing and state governments make laws to prevent organizing. Gov. Walker himself that they are dividing and conquering. I really do not want to rehash all of this, but Gov. Walker basically outlawed public union in all but name only. Not exactly a wing clipping. I personally think in 20 years ALL unions will be gone, public and private. This eventually will leave most if not all PAC money to one group of people. With this, they can control the message and the laws that are made. Me and my wife were, to be honest, not a big supporter of her union until Gov. Walker started what we did. It is amazing what can be done quickly when you outlaw any opposition. Unions have absolutly overstepped at times, just as big business has overstepped at times. I am very pro-capitalist. My worry is when corporation becomes more powerful that countries. Why can’t big business be as oppressive as any government and stifle compition? If they control the canidates, why can the not repeal or “steamline” any regulations that we have taken for granted over the years. Hey, I do not want either side to have too much power. I just think the scales are tipping dangerously to one side. I actually think we working condidtions could go back to how it was before the industrial revolution. I hope you do not have a pension currently. If you do expect a “wing clipping” soon enough.
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Andy, again we agree on most points BUT if you think there is already an all-out assault on unions now just wait. Unless unions recognize the unpopularity among the non-union populace because of their excessive benefits and the harm they do to employers there will an assault on unions that will make what Walker did look like tame. Unions have indeed overstepped their bounds too many times already and there will be continued backlash. So yes, again we agree that unions are an endangered species…due, in large part, to their own greedy actions which is turning public opinion against unions.
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Until unions realize that it is in their best interest to see that their employers remain solvent and competitive, they will still be fighting an uphill battle. That said, top executives also need to rein in their astronomical salaries.
Public employee unions have an additional level of accountability, to the tax payer. I fail to understand how a public employee can hold a temper tantrum over a wages and benefits package that is far superior to those offered in the private sector for what essentially is the same job. How does one justify forcing someone earning $30K a year to pay someone else $50K a year to do the same job when the only difference is that the 50K job is a public job? Obama’s motto seems to be “it’s not fair that….”. Well I fail to see where it’s fair to take from the poor and give to the privileged only because that privileged person is a member of a public union. 20,000 Non-union Delphi corporation employees had all of their pension money basically stolen from them when Obama did his sweetheart deal with the UAW in the take over of GM. Was that “fair”? It would appear that Obama’s support for the individual depends upon his union affiliation. And I thought he claimed he would be the president of ALL people. Silly me.
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to the charge that unions funnel money to one party…its not any different than corporations funneling profits into lobbying (both parties) instead of giving part of that money back into the business in new plants, new hires, higher wages or dividends to shareholders. My hard work at a huge corporation helps them funnel the money so how is that any different? And to your charge of unions abusing employers lol…wow how far weve come since it was employers abusing workers to begin with which led to unions…hmmm what goes around comes around i guess …. why do you think theres such a divide between owners and workers because they both want a bigger piece of the pie..just wondering why do you care if these unions put money into politics its totally legal and nothing compared to the money big business has in the game and if unions bankrupt these companies all the better it will prove your point.
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There is no way to judge if public sector salaries are excessive, miserly, or just right. Only a market can determine an equitable price for anything, including labor.
Public sector wages are decided between our representatives and labor negotiators. There is an inherent conflict of interest there since public sector unions are some of the largest contributers to political campaigns.
That is why so many think PUBLIC SECTOR unions (distinguished from private sector unions) are not good for society.
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Andy….it is my understanding, that salary negotiations were to be left intact ( I do not know about “working conditions”….if they were to be left intact )….so both sides can negotiate the salary end of the contract! The public unions did not lose the right to negotiate salaries under Wisconsin’s new operational plans.
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Vern, no, salary negoatiations are NOT intact. Orginally he allowed a Cost of Living negoitaions but took that away after the protseters left Madison. The only raise possible is a Cost Of Living increase based on the lowest earning employee. Which when you figure in inflation, is a pay cut every year for those below the lowest wrung. Gov Walker law made ANY negotations impossible. Also since teachers are contracts, Gov Walker also made it ilegal for a district to offer more than a 1 year contract. So if you have an awsome teacher, you still cannot lock that teacher is for more than one year. The government will not allow longer contracts. However, generally speaking, Gov Walker gets a four year contract . They also changed to catastophic health care. The first $6,000 you pay for with no co-pay + monthly priemums. I guess we do not complain. My wife has a old student teaching in Florida whose husband just left the military and is not working. They make so little they qualify for food stamps and other welfare benfits because of her pay is so low. Again, my feeling is if we are going to compete on the world stage, education is important. I am fine with firing bad teachers. We just need to pay the good ones well to attract qualified talent. The GOP talks a good game, but never have done anything about it. I dumb public is easier to control.
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Been in the Laborers, Operating Engineers & Teamsters, unions are not all bad. The biggest grip is how hare they protect the “way less that average employee.” Likewise, the assault on unions needs to review the unethical practices of taking dues and spending them how the leadership wants to – to buy the leader a cush or promise from the Politician. Unions do a lot of good when working for the membership – they also do a lot of bad when they get together with the politicians and corporate moguls who fill the union leader’s pockets under the table.
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Walkers theme, things go better with Koch.
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Because, as we all know, there’s no such thing as billionaire liberals supporting Democrats (George Soros, Warren Buffett…you know)
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Dan, I agree. Money and donors control both parties. Now that corporations are people, it will even happen more so. I just laugh at the idea that people think either party cares about them unless your in the top 5% or the bottom 15%. Walker is bought and paid for just like most the other ones.
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Walker is the best governer money can buy.
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And of course you’re not including Mark Dayton in there. You know, the guy whose daddy’s money bought him everything he’s ever had in his life. That guy. That’s probably different because he’s a liberal, right?
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Dan H. If his daddy was rich(Dayton)and he ran for office and won so what? In Walkers case he was bought and payed for by outside money. That is who he answers to.
So did Obama pay for his 2008 campaign entirely out of his own pocket? Or did rich people contribute “outside money” to get him elected? Or is that different because he’s a liberal, too?
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No, President Obama and Gov Dayton also have to kiss *** to raise money. Just as Mr Romney has to. Again, unless you are in the top 5% or bottom 15%, They do not care about you. They might say they do, but they don’t.
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Dan H, we are talking two different things here. Some people running for office are supported by the wealthy and some are owned by the wealthy.
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Because, naturally, rich liberals who donate to liberal candidates never ever expect anything in return, right? That only happens with rich conservatives and candidates.
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“Walkers theme, things go better with Koch.” I don’t agree, but it’s still funny.
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Dan H, and of course you have to make this a consevative/liberal debate. I think Walker was bought by the Koch brothers and I think he’s as crooked as the day is long. I have nothing against rich people, nor am I a liberal. Do you really think the guy cares about you?
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I think Walker is the perfect spokesman for the GOP.
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Y’know Vune. Based on what I have said earlier. I agree with you.
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Maybe he speak on behalf of his job creation record?…ohhh, scratch that…well maybe about his voter ID bill….that’s right, the courts won’t approve it…maybe the strides in improving education?…yeah, he gutted it but that seems to be objective of Republican party…their slogan should be…save the rich, we’ll get the old and kids…
Maybe he can show how attacking and taking money out of the pockets of the single largest employed group of consumers in the state which has had loss of revenue ripple effect thru every small and medium business has assurd that economic growth and job creation in Wisconsin stays dead last in nation…and so how he’s created the perfect situation to blame Obama this fall for failed economic policies…
Mmmmmm….I swear could hear roaring cheers when I typed that….afterall, the GOP has become nothing more then the Get Obama Party…….
“The future ain’t what it used to be.” …..Yogi Berra
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Walker has only been in office 19 months…How can we judge his job creation record? How about the DFL job creation record the past 30 years? But the loyal voters keep them in office.
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John “How can we judge his job creation record?”
Because he ran on campaign promise he’d create 250,000 jobs and got elected for it, that’s how…SMH!
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Maybe he would have had better luck with the jobs if he didn’t have to deal with a recall.
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So, how many jobs have republicans helped to create in the last 3 years?
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And how do we judge Obamas track record? He promised to fix the economy, get people back to work, shrink the deficit, have greater transparency in government and bring people of all natonalities together into a unified nation. He has broken each and every one of those promises, so he must be a worse person that Walker, right? But he is a liberal so we need to cut him more slack than we do for Walker. Hypocritical much?
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Exactly…How about the 7 million “green jobs” B H Obama promised? All I see in the news is that coal is on the way out due to environmental regulations. So you need to subtract the loss of jobs in the coal power industry from any “green jobs” that were created. I’m guessing we are at a neutral number or maybe even negative. Not that we shouldn’t try to find clean power solutions. Why not try to phase it in over the next 30-40 years?
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Stay on point guys, this about Gov Walker not President Obama.
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I’m sorry Andy….I won’t bring up Obama’s record on jobs any more on this topic. I will try to be more sensitive next time.
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Ulysses~ Focus child..the topic is Walker and GOP. Hint…it’s in REALLY BIG LETTERS at top of page.
Classic Republican Dumb and Dumber economics. Walker essentially took money from taxpayers and gave it to the large out of state corporations in a tax break windfall for them. Of course he had to give up taking in revenue, he was having a budget crises afterall! SMH!!Then he hamstrung the consumer purchasing power and confidence of 175,000 state employees. You nuts all just think he stuck it to the unions over bargaining rights and are all cheering because prompted to, but what he did was throw revenue out the window then crippled the purchasing power of huge consumer group during an economic depression while forcing layoffs of public workers and those in education. He was actually a key contributor to Wisconsin being number 1 in nation in job loss last year. Awesome move in economic depression, create more unemployed and take away consumer purchasing power while giving money away to the wealthy out of your state. Real Republican economic brilliance….and the results are that Wisconsin is economically hemorraging and last in nation in job creation.
Yeah, yeah…it’s all Obama’s fault of course and there’s enough addled Repubs that will believe that. At this point I believe the continued and repeated attacks on our education system from all Republicans is clearly some key political agenda, to make more Republicans..LOL.
If unions contributed to Repub campaigns instead of Dems, all you nuts would be prompted to hail unions as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Maybe Fastone needs to do a little fact check. How do you think Walkers opponent Tom Barrett has done as mayor of Milwaukee?? You remember Tom don’t you? He lost to Walker in the last election for governor and also lost in the recall. How long has Tom been mayor of that fine city? Looks like the year 2004. Unemployment for Wisconsin stands at 6.8 percent. Milwaukee is a little higher at 10.2 percent. Maybe Wisconsonites looked at those facts and voted against a failed leader? Oh and the national unemployment rate stands at 8.2 percent. At least Wisconsin is doing better than that. Try to put some actual facts in your next post instead of rambling on with vague charges and unsupported allegations. The voters in Wisconsin have rejected twice the failed path the democrats were on. Get over it and move on with your life.
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John, no not worry abouy sensitivity with me. Just saying the article is about Gov Walker. On a President Obama thread, open season. It seems to me YOU are the sensitive one.
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Too add John. Mayor Barrett was a poor canidate. My point is IF the economy was booming in Milwaukee, would not Gov Walker take credit on jobs added under his watch? Or are you saying Gov. Walker will not count jobs created in Democrat areas? I guess my point was if and when the economy improves in Milwaukee, Gov Walker will be all over that and use those numbers in his re-election campaign. Jus’ sayin.
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I see your point Andy. It does go both ways. I guess Walker would take credit. If Milwaukee had a better job market then Barrett would have a leg to stand on. And since Barrett has been in charge for 8 years he has some ownership of that unemployment rate.
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John said~ “Maybe Fastone needs to do a little fact check. How do you think Walkers opponent Tom Barrett has done as mayor of Milwaukee??”
How about you fact checking the topic, it’s in big bold letters at top of page. WALKER.
John said~ “Try to put some actual facts in your next post instead of rambling on with vague charges and unsupported allegations”
Classic Repub do as I say not as I do. First total misdirect then total hypocrisy. You don’t have a fact in your hand disproving my points, you didn’t post a fact it’s just rambling saying they’re facts…
So first..here is showing Walkers actual job numbers and how the Republican way doesn’t work…which was sorta my point!and going on half way thru term of his promise of creating 250,000 jobs he’s only created 21,000!
“When considered with the census numbers, the state has created an estimated 21,951 jobs since Walker took office. That means the state will need to create 228,049 more jobs before the end of Walker’s term in 2014 for him to achieve his goal.”
This is further showing how badly Wisconsin is creating jobs and how actually sinking in job creation while rest of nation is on huge uptick and also compares to Illinois because conservatives think it’s a commie state..LOL…and the contrast is remarkable in the graph and unmistakeable who’s creating jobs and who’s not.
“Got that? Not only is Walker’s record on private payroll employment far below his stated goal (it’s not even close) but he’s barely up since the beginning of 2011, when he took office.
That might be forgivable if private payrolls were doing badly overall over the last 16 months, but in fact the national scene is much different: Private payrolls are doing well, while state and local layoffs (like the ones pushed by Walker and his fellow Republican governors) are bringing down the headline numbers.”
Repubs economic solutions always been wrong and always cost us all money and they don’t work. Supply side economics is BS and never worked and only created more deficit and never any jobs from Reagan forward. Walker did the textbook Repub solution to economic and budget crises, he shut off a revenue stream by giving tax breaks to major corporations then took it out on education but the big compounding mistake was he then took away the purchasing power of 175,000 state employees and forced layoffs across the state. The FACT is that shutting off a revenue stream creates more deficit, not jobs, laying off people doesn’t create jobs and hobbling the consumer purchasing power of largest employed single collective consumer group are things you do to create economic disasters, which is exactly what Walker has done and was my sarcastic point.
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Why are these 175,000 state employees so sacred? Do you think anyone else in Wisconsin is taking a hit due to the economy? Why did the voters of Wisconsin go for Walker not once but twice? Do you think people are fed up with they way things were? Where do you get the idea that the nation is on a huge uptick??? And do you actually believe what you are saying on these posts or do you make this stuff up thinking you can bs everyone?
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John said~ “And do you actually believe what you are saying on these posts or do you make this stuff up thinking you can bs everyone?”
Well so far, I’ve provided several links to back up my earlier position you likewise tried to dismiss with not a fact in your hand and well shocko…here are doing it again and are clearly only one thinking can just BS everyone.
Stop asking me questions which when answer and even provide links from two articles backing up what said, you post the childish nonsense above… and have someone teach you how to use google forgawdsakes.
So far on Walker topic you tried a misdirect to Bartlett, claimed I didn’t know what talking about and that Walkers job creation was great, acussing me of not backing what I said while you WITH NOT a single fact in hand. You did the same again, misdirect with a bunch of guestions then without fact in hand claim I was wrong…to a post with two links proving I was right…SMH…how trollish of you.
Hey, you took up the fool position of defending Walkers job creation…now are just going to keep getting trollish…because apparently you CAN’T back up your assertation…I must be wrong because you say so? LMAO…go bother some kids somewhere…
Of course Walker beat recall, there’s a whole lot of not very bright people that still think Repubs economic policies will fix thngs…and that voter fraud is real, that unions are all bad, that Bush really had undeniable proof of WMD, that Obama is a muslim, that Obama wasn’t born here, …and apparently, that Wisconsin at bottom of barrel in job creation is Walker doing a great job…
“If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing”…Anatole France
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Where is your link to back up your claim that the country is on a huge uptick?? You did claim that in one of your last posts. I’m not claiming Walker has created the 250,000 jobs he promised. When I talk about Barrett…..It’s only because he was the alternative in the last two elections. Bush….well he sure had his issues. As far as Obama and his faith…..it shouldn’t matter. We have freedom of worship in this country. I could care less if he was Muslim or not. All the Obama Muslim talk does is fuels hate. We do have some evil Muslims in this world…..we also have evil people who are Christian.
1- I never said that you said Walker has created 250,000 jobs. I posted a sarcastic post pointing out his dismal job creation record and you stepped to me defending him for some reason and accusing me of not being truthful ever since but you still haven’t backed up ONE THING you’ve said nor proved anything I’ve posted was wrong. You keep asking questions but keep ignoring my requests for YOU to back up something…at this point…ANYTHING. You’ve done nothing but try to check and misdirect what I posted while offering nothing to support your nonsense that I’ve been wrong about anything yet. I wonder why..SMH!
2- I don’t have to google things for you if you won’t bother. I don’t have to respond to your allegations and questions when you’ve brought nothing to the party but questions as misdirects to give impression I was wrong on something without a fact in your hand.
3- You are claiming I haven’t backed up claim that rest of nation on uptick in job creation while Wisconsin on decline. You find anything that would differ? You have some proof that the whole rest of nation is sinking in job creation while Walker is actually even remotely close to fulfilling his promise? Or you just couldn’t be bothered except to bother me and toss a lame question and accusation I didn’t back up what said as a red herring while you back up NOTHING? Well, common sense would tell you that the whole rest of nation is doing better then Wisconsin if they’re dead last in job creation..HELLO? You haven’t proven it isn’t while I’ve provided two links supporting it is, and there is a graph in one of my links I’ve provided that shows a remarkable contrast in job creation just between Illinois and Wisconsin…as in Illinois’s graph is shooting up at 45 degree angle while Wisconsin is the complete opposite and been taking a sharp nose dive. As link pointed out this is great contrast and comparison because the conservatives all think Illinois is a commie state run by rag tag liberals and Walker and the Repubs are doing a better job, when nothing naturally could be further from the truth. Businesses are actually leaving Wisconsin for Illinois.
4.- Apparently you missed my point that there is a list of things that Republican party believes that are utter nonsense and complete falsehoods and just gave a sampling of some of them, but on point is the undeniable falsehood that Republicans are better at budgets, economy or shrinking the government and Walker and Wisconsin is bearing that out and it’s only going to get worse. To fix a budget you look for more revenue and to cut costs. Republicans do the opposite and cut revenue, tax cuts to wealthiest, that they say creates jobs but only creates deficit, that’s all it does. Yet Repubs say they are all about cutting the deficit but all they’ve ever done is increase it! There isn’t a shred of proof to support the Repub talking point in 50 years and a mountain of evidence that shows Repubs always increase the deficit dramatically. To spur an economy you put more money in hands of consumers and this will naturally create jobs as economy expands to meet consumer demand. None of this is rocket science and just common sense. Yet Repubs just this week killed an Obama bill that would have given tax break to those making under 200K which would do just that, put more money in hands of consumers. Walker gave away revenue to rich corporate cronies then hobbled the purchasing power of 175,000 state employees. The Republican economic solutions aren’t just wrong, they’re what creates economic crises and increased deficits. Over 450 economists including several Nobel prize winners sent Bush a signed petition that his economic policies would create an economic disaster and meltdown, and THEY DID!! The sad part is that despite all that, Repubs still claim they have the right solutions to our fix our economy, by doing the exact same nonsense that destroyed it. At this point I could claim that all Repubs suffer a type of mental illiness because the definition of mental illiness is of course, to keep applying the same solution to the same problem but expecting different results.
5- Any other questions…refer them to GOOGLE.
“Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.” ……..Bertrand Russell,
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I still can’t find anything from tv,radio,newspaper,family,coworkers or Google to indicate that the nation is on a huge uptick. I did find some information of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics website. It looks like the US unemployment rate for April was 8.1 percent and in July it was 8.3 percent. I’m wondering what you are seeing that indicates a huge uptick that the rest of the country does not seem to see? To be fair… I did see where Wisconsins unemployment rate has gone up 2 or 3 tenths of a point in the same period. I have no idea if Barrett would have had any better luck getting Wisconsin on track. I will try to keep looking for that huge uptick…..maybe I need to go to the library.
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I didn’t have any luck at the library finding that huge economic uptick. I did see some data on gdp. For the 4th quarter of 2011 the gdp was 3 percent. For the 2nd quarter of this year it had dropped to 1.5 percent. So you have unemployment that has gone up recently as well as a drop in gdp. Not sure what data you are looking at to back up your claim that excluding Wisconsin the nation is in a “huge uptick”. I will keep looking and will keep everyone posted if I find that elusive uptick.
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Unions WERE necessary. Now, they are abusive, antiquated, and greedy. Buh bye, unions. The momentum is shifting. And, it’s not in your direction.
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Right on Fakey. Corporations are not abusive or greedy…..wait I thought greedy was good. The basis of capitaiism. Wait, greed and being abusive is only good for one side and not the other. Whew…worried there a sec. Why WERE they neccesarry? Was not free market around at the turn of the centary? If you do not want to work for a business don’t. Same rules apply the more I think of it, the same arguements against unions where the same as before. They hurt business. I would rather you say they were NEVER useful than where useful. How much has safety regulations and employee protections cost business? That makes it sounds as if business is not always looking out whats best for the community and workers back then. Or is the arguement today they look out for their workers? Do not use we have laws now to protect them. Laws can be changed and easy as they are made.
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Fakey~ You’re abolutely right…just like Beck, Rush and O’Reilly will tell ya’, who needs unions? Of course, they’re also all card carrying union members…coughcough. At least have Chip to represent ya’ up here though, nothing better for a Repub background then unemployed ex-union steward drawing a huge disability check. So yup, some of those union members are wacko…
“The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. “……Bertrand Russell,
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If what you guys fear comes to fruition, there will be a union revival so great it will make the early 20th century blush. But if you’re wrong, who will you blame for the prosperity?
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“If what you guys fear comes to fruition, there will be a union revival so great…”
And yet if it does, you guys will still continue to advocate for the minimum wage-ization of all workers, except executives and stockbrokers.
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I knew someone’s been peeking at our notes.
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I don’t see what you’re complaining about. If you’re wrong, we get a booming economy where jobs are plentiful and wages rise, and if you’re right, you will have everything you need to bludgeon labor stooges back into forming unions again. Either way you win, unless you consider a booming economy with rising wages a failure.
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Walker is an excellent choice and about the unions I think a lot of folks would support them more if they were not a fund raising scheme for the demoncratic party. What Walker did was fair for WI and we all seen how the “Thugs acted at the capital. If they were not considered thugs before they are now. I lost all respect for the teaching profession after that fiasco.
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jh45, You say you lost all respect for teachers. I then pose the questions to you, what if the government said you no longer had the right to ask for a raise from your boss? How would you react to a 20% pay cut? How would you act on a medical plan that was gutted? How would you react to the government saying your boss could not give you even a two year contract, only one? I assume since you “have lost respect” for teachers, you would accept it and not say anything. Nothing Gov Walker has done has helped public education. He has not reformed schools or the educational system. He has done nothing with merit pay like he said he would. I monkey can cut budgets and not care about the consequnces. He has created tons of job openings in teaching ironcally, by forcing out the older teacher and not retaining the younger ones once they realize how much the job sucks. They are smart and are getting out. So how was it “fair” again? Not for the children currently in school. Let see in five years how Wisconsin test scores will be. Sneek preview….look at Mississippi and Florida!!!!
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Andy – what exactly do you mean when you say “gutted medical plan”? I hope you’re not saying that their health plan is now worst than the rest of ours. The health benefits of some of these unions are absolutely ridiculous, often with the tax payers footing the bill. Please tell me you are smarter that, and you post was just a misunderstanding.
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“As the article itself points out, the teachers will now have to pay 15% of their health insurance premiums (previously they paid a nominal amount monthly). Whereas out of pocket yearly health insurance deductibles were $200 for a family plan, the deductible will now be $1000 for a family plan. For teachers that opt out of the state’s health insurance plans, the reimbursement will be cut in half. After retirement, the amount contributed by the state to the teachers’ health insurance will be reduced by 50% for a family plan. And the teachers will no longer have a say in who will provide health care or what health insurance plans will be covered – those decisions will be made unilaterally by the School Board.
Up until now, the state contributed the full amount to the Palmyra-Eagle teachers’ Wisconsin Retirement System pension funds. With the new contract, the teachers will have to pay 50% of those contributions.
In addition to the gutting of benefits, which translates directly to a significant reduction in wages, the School Board also voted to eliminate all language in the contract that refers to seniority, bumping, and recalls.”
Actually, he gutted their household disposal income by making them pay far more for their benefits, he is laying groundwork to next gut Badgercare though also.
So the Repubs all claim it's a good thing because those pesky union employees are just taking the taxpayers for ride. Overlooked of course is we're talking about Wisconsins pinned hopes for the future on the education of the children. Who cares about that though, Walker will be long gone when that chicken comes home to roost.
A more practical way of looking at it would be exactly what would your predicted future be for a company who's employee's already on 3 year salary freeze,when the company lays off workers, wacks everyone's income by 20% and demands they pay now thousands more for the same healthcare they've had on top of it, and that may be taken away also, and then runs a campaign degrading them publically. Do you see that company actually growing in future or do you see a downward spiral as first all the "A" players, then the "B" and eventually many of the "C" players pursue employment elsewhere? Now think of the implication of that 10 and 15 years out when those kids will have to compete for jobs and college.
Any you're right…some of those union benefits are ridiculous…the perfect example to use btw would be Chip Craavak who gets 80K a year disability income for fatigue issue from his union pension, he was a union steward afterall, but he can jet set between three homes, run for Congress but he gets 80K for a disability that says he's too fatiqued to work. Dayum unions….LOL.
"Now, look, baby, 'Union' is spelled with 5 letters. It is not a four-letter word. "…………Dorothy Parker
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Dark Knight, What I mean by gutted is we went from priemium + $4,000 detuctable with a 80/20 co-pay. Medication also had a $15-40 co-pay. It currently is priemum + $6,000 deductable with NO co-pay for either office visits and medication. Meaning you pay full price. It is called a Catastrophic plan (At least that is what it says on the brouchure). So for someone starting at $32,000 a year, 10k in possible medical is a lot. (Young folks reading this, DO NOT go into teaching, absolutly not worth it. If I can change one persons mind, I will be happy). So is the current plan crappy enough for you yet? Or do you want to create more class warfare? THIS HOWEVER WAS NOT THE POINT. My point was that someone was upset that people were upset and said something about it. Little note. Gov Walker is not under this plan. His is WAY better. I think it is sad how many lap up whatever is given and not question it. All the protests was an exercize in their first amendment rights. Now that the government has disallowed the right to talk about ANY working conditions or wages, those who could retire did. Those who have not vested much of their life to the job are leaving. I do love hove how GOP’ers like your self read a fairly long rant then try to pinpoint a minor comment, then use misinformation to then try to discount the whole overall point. Rush would be proud of you.
As far as private medical, that also sucks. I aslo am guessing the CEO’s are not cutting theirs. But I do not want to digress from the argument here by starting a new one. Knight, I will not be a lemming. I will ALWAYS question your masters.
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