Crystal workers ask CEO to meeting
August 8, 2012 at 4:32 pm in Grand Forks Herald
The head union negotiator representing locked out American Crystal Sugar workers has invited the CEO of that company to talk to union members about Crystal’s contract offer later this month in East Grand Forks. Continue Reading
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Ron, you’re not soooooo deluded that you think this is a request that ought to be given “careful consideration” by Berg because it’s completely reasonable, are you?
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Well in one way it is already done. The union voted to not go to work 3 times, so in perspective, they are done.
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Holy cow.
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Let’s hope that the meeting doesn’t turn out to be a verbal lynching.That wouldn’t be very productive for anyone.
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This will be way too volatile to be productive. What happened to the union’s negotiating team? What happened to the AFL-CIO president’s pressure? Is this it? 150-1 ratio at the Legion would be ugly.
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It would be a complete waste of time, he has better things to do, It would serve no real purpose, but for the unionites to all whine in one room again and get drunk. The final offer shall stand as The final offer indefinitely.
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I don’t foresee anyone at Crystal going anywhere to meet with anyone outside of formal negotiations.
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Step right up people the BCTGM circus freak show is back in town!!
Just another great big bucket of crazy courtesy of your hard earned union dues!
So they need Mr. Berg to say in person…”here is the final offer”…????
Hey Bertilli EGF and Hillsboro are heating up, smells like your goose is cooking.
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I’ll try this again….earlier attempt is “awaiting moderation” due to, (I assume), the mentioning of the name of a certain not-so-popular German leader, spelled with **** inserted in place of “itle”:
One more time…
So let’s see….union members have called him names, they’ve asked for him to be fired, they’ve posted the silly “H****r” video on YouTube, and now they “invite” him to a meeting so he can “explain to them why they should sign the contract”.
Oh, not to just explain why they should sign, but to “describe” the contract to them as well.
I guess this means that after all of this time, the union “leaders” haven’t “described” or “explained” the contract to the workers themselves. I guess this means that all of the chest-beating they’ve done after rejecting the offer(s) multiple times SHOULD have been accompanied by a disclaimer stating that, while the union was *proud* of the “overwhelming percentage” of “no” votes cast, they’re AT LEAST as proud of the fact that those “no” votes were cast DESPITE voters not being completely aware of what they were voting on.
Hats off to the “leadership”!
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There is no reason whatsoever to even open the union’s mail, much less attend their staged ambush and give them free publicity. If ACS agrees they are dumber than I thought.
Just another woa is me, look what your corporate greed has done. “I have been out of work for a year now and I have lost my house, and my car, and I am getting a divorce. It is all your fault for not agreeing to my terms.”
I am glad I already had my first cup of coffee before reading this. I’d have had a hard time keeping it down afterword.
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Why would he go talk to a bunch of people who walked away from their jobs over a year ago and now want to question him why they don’t have a job?
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They voted against a very fair contract three times, they were locked out, but they control their own fate, they could be working if they wanted to.
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I can see if Berg was going to meet with the actual workers, that would be great. But, why in this article are the union workers who have had the chance 3x to vote to come back to work, called “workers”. Persons that vote to not work are LAZY or have enough money that they don’t need to. I thought all the FORMER workers did was bad mouth the company and act inappropriately to the current workforce that wants to work.
Good bye Union!! Please just go away!!
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The first step towards getting their jobs back will be to walk into his office on their knees and be willing to accept a 50% pay cut as well as higher health insurance costs. There won’t be any golden eggs like future job security or anything like that. If you do your job well, keep your piehole shut and cause no trouble, you won’t be fired.
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They should be used to that after picking up their 100$ each week at the union hall.
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Man, this is a tough bunch. I think ACS would have called such a meeting a year ago if the union contract allowed it. Now the union can conduct such a meeting. Seem odd to me. Technically, though, I don’t know what the rules are.
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This just seems like a publicity stunt by the union. If the union negotiators haven’t been able to understand the offer presented by ACS and explain it to the union members, how well will it go with Berg attempting to explain it to a room full of embittered locked out union members?
Isn’t it the responsibility of the union leadership to educate the union members about what is in the contract offer? If not even the actual members taking it upon themselves to understand the offer?
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If it is fully understood by the union members then there really isn’t a need for the meeting is there? So it is just a publicity stunt?
It’s pretty clear from your responses that it would be taken as an opportunity for the union to grind their collective ax rather than engage in productive discourse.
These are all things that should have been getting done by the union leadership during negotiations.
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Are there answers to your questions that would sway you to sign the contract as it’s currently offered? You say you are serious about asking those questions, but you say nothing about listening to the answers.
The previous workforce had to learn it at some point too. To think that a different group of workers couldn’t learn the same things is a bit naive.
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“The final offer is fully understood by the union members”
It’s blatantly obvious that that isn’t the case with all of them. There have been lots of posts over the last few months with “interpretations” that are just plain wrong. In addition to THAT, when someone posts something that is wrong, it gets a whole lot of “likes” from like-minded folks that agree with what was posted….simply because a union member or union supporter posted it.
If you haven’t seen any such posts, you haven’t been paying attention.
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She’s Jan Bailey….if you need me to explain any further just ask.
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Yes I know. Keep reading. She’s the best and brightest huh? I got the impression she was the most brainwashed. I guess we have a different point of view….once again. Oh well…the union is so screwed right now a couple more mistakes can’t hurt. I imagine if your group were ever to hold a concert you would sell tickets before you secured the band.
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I don’t believe mnbeettch knows the contract inside and out. Only what she is told. She need o go back and read it again.
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Let me guess, submitted by someone who apparently has no other work skills other than being able to pick rotten beets and rocks off a conveyer belt and expects to be paid $30/hr and have free health insurance.
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Rotten beets have no real viable sugar in them, it’s all burned off during the decay. At times a few small batches of rotten beets do make it in but best they don’t, but they are mixed off with healthy beets to keep things going smoothly while the ones that made it in rotten, just end up in the pulp press.
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What world do you live in? Their isn’t a rotten beet picker position in any one of the factorys. The closest to that would be miscellaneous labor, $12.15 per hour.
Everyone there is trained on the job. Their is no collage degree for running a beet factory.
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MBT:
“Why do you want to change a contract that brought you record profits?”
You are confusion correlation and causation. The recored profits occured while the previous contract was in effect (correlation). The previous contract did not CAUSE the record profits.
US refined sugar prices (midwest) from 1990 to 2005 ranged from $20.80 to $29.97. From 2006 on they were $33.10, $25.06, $32.54, $38.10, $53.23 and $56.22. Any business who sees their products selling price almost double and DOESN’T see record profits is doing some wrong. Especially when this increase coincided with significant increase in the growers yields due to improve genetics.
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MBT:
“Why do you feel it is cost effective or beneficial to completely replace and retrain an entire workforce that were proven performers? ”
I don’t think you will find anyone who thinks that replacing the entire workforce hasn’t resulted in hired costs and lower productivity. The company has said that this has caused them additional money. However, the union chose to not engage in meaningful negotiation before the contract expired, as described by the NLRB.
It isn’t clear to those of us on the outside what the union would have needed to accept an offer. I’m not sure it is clear to the union members either. So I’m not in a position to state whether these cost are higher or lower than conceding to the union’s demands. I don’t think you have the data to make that determination either.
From my perspective, the union wanted to prove that ACSC couldn’t process a crop without them. They failed to prove this. The extra costs for last year’s campaign are gone. ACSC can’t recover them. So looking forward, is it cheaper to concede to the union demands (whatever they might be) or continue with the lockout. From ACSC’s actions I think we can see what THEY beleive the better route is.
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MBT:
“Why do you feel the union contract must be downgraded in benefits and protections? ”
Look at healthcare. The current coverage requires little to no cost to be paid by the employee. This leads to overuse of healthcare. The union members healthcare costs are 30% higher per person than the local average.
The high-deductible plan with an HSA component is designed to result in lower healthcare costs, as the patients now become consumers and spend THEIR money more wisely.
This is a benefit to employee. The company looks at the total cost of compensation when it making staffing decisions. These extra costs have to be paid by someone. There really isn’t an entity call “the company” that pays them. They either come from lower employee pay or reduced shareholder payments.
BTW: A healthy employee/family will make out quite well with the combination of the new insurance plan and the company funded HSA. A employee/family with poor health will need to accept a smaller increase in pay in this contract.
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MBT:
“I have argued that the union earned every penny and benefit under the old contract”
No disagreement. That was then. This is now. I don’t claim you are lazy or stupid or that your job is easy. I don’t even claim that you are overpaid.
When it comes to seniority, I don’t understand the union mindset that this needs to be protected. Organization are best when they put the best people in each position, not the most senior person who is competent. The best people very likely are the more senior people… but that isn’t ALWAYS the case.
There are things in the contract that I’d find troubling. The outsourcing language seems to have holes you could drive a beet truck through.
The union seems to want support of the public, but so far hasn’t found any person that can articulate in a concise and understandable way even ONE of these issues. I honestly don’t know WHY that is. It is like the leadership is intentionally choosing to act stupid.
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MBT, I hope that this answers a couple more of your questions.
“Why does the union need tighter drug policies after EGF went one year without a lost time accident?”
Many of Crystal’s customers want to know that their ingredients are being produced by workers that are drug free. Random testing is much better suited to preventing drug abuse by employees that other policies such as pre-employment screenings and reasonable suspicion programs. It is much less subjective than many other means of checking employees. Also workman’s comp insurance rates are lower for companies with random drug testing policies.
“Why do you feel that management, corporate and contractors should be excluded in the random drug testing policy?”
No where does Crystal say that management, corporate or contractors are excluded from a random drug testing policy.
I can tell you that if I were in one of those groups then that arrangement would be between me and the company and has no place being in a union contract that I was not a party too. By the way, my sources tell me that Crystal has implemented the same random drug testing policy as is proposed in the contract on those previously mentioned groups and that random testing has already begun.
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Pre-employment drug screens are notoriously easy to beat. There are several products available at GNC to do so. As to why wasn’t he found out on a random test, well maybe his number hadn’t come up yet. At least he was found by law enforcement and is being dealt with.
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Jane?
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Because its against the law…………….duh
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Because its against the law ..duh
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Your right Jan, Dave doesn’t care about the money. You lose 40,000 a year sitting out, he makes 2.4 million. Crystal loses a couple hundred million, the stock holders still make money. If it was about the money it would have been over 10 months ago. Now its about things you can’t spend or eat.
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What are you really trying to do? Go back to work or sit around and try to get the company to give in to overpaying it’s workers through health insurance costs and the disappeared job security and tenured for life positions? All of the workers need to wake up. They have no power over the company’s decision making process regarding their status. They gave it all away to a weak union. It’s not everyone else’s fault. It’s theirs and they have to live with the consequences of their choices. If you guys want to go back to work, decertify the union who has done everything it can to hurt all of you and get back to work. Every minute that passes, the replacement workers for all of your positions get stronger and more knowledgeable, making you even more of a liability to hire back. Forget what you HAD. Times change. Those times are long gone. Accept it for what it is or go to the homeless shelter.
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“Gag orders on the growers and factory supervisors…” There are no such gag orders. That is just another one of the many lies the union is telling you.
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You’ve said a mouthful there Ron. Unfortunately, when you make the choice to point the high-beams at someone and illustrate what they should do to prove what a great leader they are…..it opens up the discussion for others involved as well.
How ’bout you offer up some union “leaders” for consideration? Would you like to go in alphabetical order?
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Simple, a smart person doesn’t fall for traps, besides, he isn’t hired by the union, he’s hired by the owners of the company who want a change to a more efficient future, not one stuck in the past. Seniority is no longer needed or wanted.
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A true leader doesn’t have to explain his decisions to those underneath him. He is there to make those decisions, it’s not a democracy, he is in charge. I have been in the military for 27 years and have served under many great leaders and never did any of them “explain” any of their decisions to me.
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“Scott, you of all people should support a town hall style meeting that is proposed.”
Ron, it isn’t ABOUT supporting or not supporting a town hall meeting. You need to READ the “invitation” again. It’s dripping with so much typical union rationale/condescension/whatever….that it’s sickening.
They “invite” Berg to a meeting. The purpose of the invitation is so Berg can “explain to them why they should sign the contract”. Why does ANYONE need to “explain” to them what they should or shouldn’t do? (Actually that’s one of my least favorite things about organized labor. After getting used to having someone “explain” what you should do, or “tell” you what you should do, or “helping” you make sense of things by “guiding” your thinking in a certain direction, it sort of becomes apparent that the ability to THINK and MAKE DECISIONS without that “help” is impossible. Every time I see the words “in solidarity” at the end of a union-generated document or speech, it doesn’t make me think about what a fantastic concept that is. Instead, I kind of shrug and mutter to myself, “In solidarity……indeed.”)
I’ve gotta ask Ron….as President and CEO of Ron Enterprises, would YOU entertain such an offer or invitation? Keep in mind that members of the entity inviting you has spent the last few months dragging your name through the mud, asking for you to be fired, drunk-dialing your associates, posting unflattering video satire on the ‘net, etc.
You’d show up?
Why?
For what?
To address the folks whose entire purpose for attending is to back you against the wall?
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American crystal cannot go on in their current situation. It will be impossible to keep a productive workforce while every job has a ‘temporary position’ title to it. No worker worth his snuff is going to dedicate his career in a temporary position. The union either has to accept a contract or decertify for american crystal to put this ordeal behind them and actually move on towards the future. Very little is being accomplished with these emails, phone calls, and websites a bigger step needs to be taken to put an end to this lockout.
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I thought you had a college education? Shouldn’t be too hard to find a job with a college degree!
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“Why is it so hard to fathom that the union would fight for the protections that are important to them?”
It’s not hard to fathom why they’d fight for things they’d like to have. It IS hard to fathom why they feel everything they’d like is justified or deserved.
It’s also hard to fathom why when they don’t get what they’d like it’s considered “unfair”, especially when it can be clearly demonstrated via comparisons that what they’re being offered is fair.
You need to understand how difficult it is for objective people to wrap their heads around things like contract “protections”. I’ve never worked under a contract in my life. Never had issues with job security either. Nor have I, (on the one hand), explained in great detail about how hard my job is, how deplorable the working conditions are, how evil the company is, how it’s difficult to get time off, how dangerous it is, and on and on, WHILE, (on the other hand), I explain that the contract protections I want are necessary because otherwise my managers and supervisors would TAKE my difficult/dangerous/crappy job away and give it to a buddy or relative…..who will surely be thrilled to be given a foot-in-the-door to SUCH a difficult/dangerous/crappy workplace.
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I don’t want to speak for TJ, but we’ve all had seats close enough to the front row to the union’s propaganda machine via the media. For example, we recently saw a post with a letter sent from the union to the workers. Would it be wrong to assume that the “information” distributed at a union meeting would be similar in its accuracy, or balance, or completeness?
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I don’t know who you are but if you’ve been paying attention at the union meetings you must have realized that Gordy hasn’t been to a meeting for some time. I’ve never been to one and I don’t plan on starting. Now have a nice day.
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Everyone keeps talking about both sides wanting this stalemate to end. I doubt that is true. The union cannot sign without losing face & ACS has no financial incentive to sign; the replacement workers are working under the conditions of the new contract.
I agree people want more security than the temporary label, but what other job in GF is going to pay a low skilled or semi skilled worker $12 – $15 an hour plus bennies? Not Sam’s or Walmart. The people will stay till something better comes along. Just like the former ACS workers did.
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Mark your calendar, I just gave you a like, first one ever. I do disagree with “ACS has no financial incentive to sign”. They do, but don’t care. At this point ACSC is in a spending cycle that will trend down. But it will still cost more overall then they can ever recover. The Union needs to return to work and live to fight another day.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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I agree with you about the union living to fight another day. If you rewind a year I have said all along attempting a labor action in this economy was foolish. They should have signed on the second vote, and started lining their ducks up for the next go round.
As it stands now, ACS holds all the cards. Sure, their payouts are less than previous years, but I don’t see many truck or farm implement dealers on here saying their business is suffering because the farmers are not earning enough.
If the farmers are stashing cash it has more to do with the lack of a farm bill than anything else. The union dispute is certainly not forcing them to alter their lifestyle.
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Ron, if ACS was still using a majority imported workforce I would agree with you. From what I can gather, they are not. I have no doubt that there will still be out of state workers imported to help with the processing, but in numbers far less than last year. If they can get 90% of their workforce locally, they have won hands down.
Under the union the majority of ACS workforce was temporary and returned year after year for the campaign. This will not change. The only difference is these workers will not be union. The rest of the internal processes will be very similar. There is no need to recreate the wheel.
The biggest difference is the returning workers will be assigned their jobs by the company, not the union. That process is gone and likely will not return. Otherwise I cannot see a big change; you hire on for the campaign, you show up for orientation, you receive a job and whatever OJT is needed to complete it, and you go to work.
Just like every other year.
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“Under the union the majority of ACS workforce was temporary and returned year after year for the campaign”. This would be an incorrect statment.
Of the 300 workers at EGF factory, 220 were year round. Half of the campaign workers stayed in their jobs for 10 or more years. Alot of them liked the summers off and didn’t want to move up in classification.
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“They tried to make a step in the right direction here. They set up a meetings for everyone involved to have their questions answered”
That’s the problem Ron.
WHAT questions are there to answer at this point?
Read some of the ones from the most prolific poster in this thread. THAT’S how it would go. THAT’S why it would be unproductive. THAT’S why it was ridiculous for you to get your hopes up.
Here’s a sample of what would have occurred:
“Welcome Mr. Berg, thanks for coming. NOW YOU TELL US WHY WE SHOULD SIGN THAT CONTRACT!!”
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What is this “family”. I’ve been reading that term more and more, as if the word alone is going to change anything. I have “family” I haven’t spoken to in years, and for good reason. Life is less complicated without their drama.
The union members have voted against the contract more than once. What part of this situation can you possibly not understand? If you want the job, leave the union and sign on with Crystal or stick with the union and push for it’s acceptance of the contract. If you don’t want the job start looking elsewhere because I highly doubt Crystal is going to be changing it’s position anytime in the near or distant future.
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Wait….you mean the UNION offered Berg a proposal and HE said “no”?
Gosh, the offering of something by one party and the reply of “no” from another sounds vaguely familiar. Has that occurred here before?
I swear I heard something along those lines….
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It’s misinformation like this that keeps people voting against the contract. An “occurrence” involves unscheduled time. A doctors app is scheduled,not an “occurrence”. Calling in sick is unscheduled an “occurrence”. It was changed to 5 “occurrences” to allow for the 12 hour shift.
Lates are separate,30 min opposed to 3 hr and 59 min. So the company can cover an opening on the 12 hour shift.
There is a long list of misinformation out there. People read the contract. Talk to the Union, not the person who is just plan bitter.
The list of disagreements is only 3 things. A lot of people don’t seem to know that.
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Page 33-34 of the Final offer acsccontracttalks.com Under other absences. 40 hours was replaced by 5 occurrences. I can go through it but it is self explanatory.
Again unscheduled and scheduled are differant. Tardys are seperate, now its 3 instead of 5. With the 5 occurences you can miss 5 days of 12 hour shifts. Were you could only miss 40 total hours before.
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No you aren’t Jan. Someone informed me in a private email who you are. I apologize for stating you were her. The two of you are similar but Jan is much much more radical.
I wish you would realize this won’t end until the union agrees to the terms in the Final Offer. Continuing the fight is not in the best interest of the workforce and their families. Everyday this drags on the less valuable the former workers are.
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Just call me TJ…it happens to be my real first name. Now let’s get back to discussing the lockout. Talk to your buddies and tell them to sign the contract. This has gone on long enough.
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Please don’t talk about people you know nothing about. Derick left. Learn to spell his name, and give him a correct job title.
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Good point, it it so important to spell his name correct. The world may stop turning if it is misspelled. Oh and all she said was he left. What does that have to do with knowing anything about someone? He was an engineer before being promoted the maintainance supervisor, reporting only to the factory manager. We all know Derick was called by many names so what does it matter?
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Don’t forget Riskey will be personally serving up a big ole glass of union koolaide at the gathering….
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