Murken hired: JC men’s coach takes Minot State job
July 26, 2012 at 1:49 am in The Jamestown Sun
Matt Murken always had a goal to make it back to the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference.
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Murken hired: JC men’s coach takes Minot State job
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The situation was not any different when they hired Murken, so by your logic he must not be a self-respecting coach? The problem lies in retaining quality coaches. The NAIA level, in general, has this problem, and JC’s problem of not having a conference affiliation will make retaining coaches even more difficult. However, the performance and level of play of the athletic teams overall has not dropped off, and perhaps has gotten better since the downfall of the DAC began.
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It would not be in JC’s best interest in moving up to NCAA DII. In fact, they have had numerous opportunities to enter into the NSIC before the recent changes (NCC collapsing, NSIC expanding,ect… ) but did not. The reason for that they do not move up is the dynamic of the school. Well over half of the students on campus participate in athletics, many of the kids from ND, Minn, and SD. Obviously the level of play is better at the NCAA DII level, but more importantly there are roster limitations on the number of athletes that can play on the team (no junior varsity, ect..). So not only would the college have to struggle to pay substantially more for the athletics (the problem that U Mary, Minot St., and SD Mines have right now), but JC would not be able to give the opportunity for many area kids to play (and go to school). This is a significant draw for students to attend JC. For seemingly historical reasons, the ND, SD and Montana colleges are/were NAIA as opposed to NCAA DIII. The nearest league is in Minnesota, and they would not have much interest in adding JC based on geography.
As far as a schedule, most of the athletic programs, basketball for example, play top quality opponents in the NAIA (as referenced by many of the JC team’s rankings in the NAIA…, but hey you don’t consider all the facts do you). They also play higher division opponents such as UND and Northern State as well as a few games against colleges that have a lower level of play. But if you look at any college (NDSU included) there are cupcakes on the schedule… Try again buddy.
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Well said Andrew. Kids around our area would not get a chance to play at the collegiate level if JC moved up. There are idiots out there that will belittle JC like you know who but nobody is making him or anyone else support or watch what JC has to offer.
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Not every kid can play at DI or DII levels. North Dakota and South Dakota aren’t exactly well populated states. Oh screw it. Why do I bother explaining something to someone who has nothing positive to say.
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Jim, don’t bother with terry. The dearth of new insights he provides is astonishing. There are plenty of Fargo (and many other ND, SD, and MN) kids that “aren’t good enough to play anywhere else,” and their “only option” is JC. I guess it would be because Fargo has nothing to offer them? They should have no problem playing on teams that are nationally ranked in the NAIA while getting a quality education. Get a clue, terry. Troll another topic.
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Exactly Andrew. He is the kind of guy I would like to meet face to face and I won’t go on any further than that.I guess Doug Beaudoin and Darin Erstad weren’t much of athletes out of Jamestown acording to him. Like I said haters are gonna hate.
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And those who can’t coach, troll.
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Fred Brown, I mean terrynelson, why are you bashing JC and any other small schools for that matter? The athletes at this level represent the true essence of playing for the love of the game. They are working just as hard and are just as committed as any Division I athlete. They are just not quite as fast, as strong or as physically imposing. By your logic the NAIA should not exist, which would mean the NCAA DIII, II and subdivisions should not exit, which would mean NDSU should not field athletic teams, and nor should any other mid-major school. And therefore no NCAA DI teams with losing records, or who were not the conference champion, should field teams. By the way, do you have children? And do you plan on encouraging them to participate in anything?
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Lets hope he has no children.
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Anyone wonder why he has such a sick obsession with Jamestown? Would love for a mental health professional to weigh in on this one.
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I love it how all his posts get hidden due to low ratings. LOL.
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I know I shouldn’t respond to the negative one but obviously he needs a little light shed on his otherwise dim outlook towrads JC and our fine city. Many coaches move up the coaching ladder. They start at the youth level move up to high school then maybe a bigger a high school and then off to college. And some onto the professional level. This is how it works for most coaches although some find a spot and like it there and stay there. Have you heard of Rollie Greeno? He is a legend in this town and was one hell of a coach. Just ask his former players. I could go on but that is enough of Coaching 101 for now.
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> All I said was JC had no conference.
You failed to mention the other half of the story, that being that JC is a member of the Association of Independent Institutions in the NAIA, giving them a formal route into the playoffs, and making being an independent sustainable if necessary.
>and nobody wants them.
JC has only formally applied to enter the Frontier Conference. I guess that would be everybody?
>Coaches don’t seem to want to stay there either.
Any time you have quality coaches, many will look to move to a higher level. See Tim Miles as an example.
>Seems those who can’t tolerate the truth resort to personal attacks on me.
How many screen names have you had?
By the way, you also pointed out other “truths” as well, did you forget? Those included that JC “only plays Indian Schools,” and “we all know the only reason why a school stays in the NAIA…” Those are most certain facts.
There is a difference between point out flaws and trolling, and it is obvious what side of the line your on.
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Well said Andrew.
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I do believe we boxed him Andrew. Well done.
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This thread is getting off-track. Stick to the topic, folks; no one wants the thread to get shut down. People still have things to say.
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All we are doing is correcting a guy that apparently needs correcting.
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Which has been done. Time to move on, back to the topic.
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terrynelson. You claim that all other posters are directing personal attacks at you while you only state facts. Read your own posts. You attacked the NAIA, the athletes that participate at that level, Native Americans, the Girl Scouts and you unfairly attached all teachers and coaches that serve at any level. What is the matter with you?
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You attacked Indian schools and the Girl Scouts. And you whine about some of so called “attacking you”. There are plenty of reasons why we do.
By the way Jamestown College is going to be just fine. There basketball program is and has been on the rise and their baseball team is always top notch. Football,track,wrestling, and the golf teams have all been respectable and will continue to be.
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As with any college, coaches leave when offered a better position. Yes, Terry Nelson, even at NDSU! It’s just the nature of the beast, a person wants to better themselves,so they move on. There are also coaches that want out of the pressure cooker of big time athletics and move down to a lower level of competition, they want to get back to the things that got them into coaching in the first place, having student-athletes play for the game, not the chance to get noticed by a professional league.
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