by Duluth News Tribune
July 19, 2012 at 7:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
National strategist helps direct campaign against gay marriage in Minnesota. Continue Reading
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God and/or evolution do not limit its human creations to mere male and female. Despite what Schubert says, as anyone who has read the best-selling book Middlesex (or any of numerous college genetic textbooks) now realizes… there exists a whole pallet of sexes. There exist genetic and body combinations greater than we can count. Schubert will insist it was not god that created a genetic combination such as x-x-y (which happens more often than most imagine.) Work like that must come from Satan. This news is perhaps a surprise to those born with that genotype. What about babies born with both a penis and a vagina… or a vagina that later at puberty turns into a penis? (Yep… happens.) Maybe this vote ought not to be about whether marriage should be between men and women but instead about what we should about all these satanic babies that are born not fitting conveniently into their biblical gender checkbox?
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It is ironic that he gets to marry twice while fighting to allow others to marry even once.
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At least he admits he works for the forces of evil.
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“His first marriage ended after nine years and two children; he had it annulled.” So much for his appreciation of the sanctity of marriage. But crafty use of the anullment loophole to avoid divorce. Do as I say, not as I do seems to be his modus opperandi.
Since anullment means the first marriage wasn’t a real marriage, what does that mean for his first two children? Nice going dad.
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Back in the 80s the “gay” activists set up a strategy to change people’s views of their behavior choices. You have to admit, it has been a successful campaign. E.g., let’s get TV (and film) to create gay characters that viewers can relate to in other aspects of life and they will transfer those affinities to acceptance of the sexual choices of those characters.
Let’s get well liked people who are gay to “come out.” And if we say someone is gay and they say they are not, we will vilify them as anti-gay.
If we get insurance companies to cover us as family-type units, then we can have more people share the costs of the diseases we get from our behavior (afterall, that’s no different than paying for smokers’ diseases).
Let’s get churches to change their ways of biblical interpretation and theological understanding to accept us. Those old ways are so…old and backward. They need to get with the times. Even religious leaders promote the idea that culture should shape understanding of the Bible, not vice versa.
Let’s move from just “accepting that we exist” to demanding that they approve of our choices. If they dare express disagreement we will call them names such as “bigot.” That way we will make what they say meaningless; they will stop talking and we will have the stage to ourselves.
It may take a generation to get the change, so let’s make sure young children are introduced to our lifestyle (through the media and even in school curricula) so we shape their view of accepting us and our behavior early on. YOu know how girls often get really attached to a girlfriend? We’ll frame that as proof that they are lesbians and hook them in.
Any time a LGBT person is a victim of a crime, let’s be sure it is cast as a crime based on their orientation. Heck, we can even get laws passed to support us! And let’s equate our issue with the civil rights movement of Blacks in the 20th Century (never mind that Black leaders reject that equation).
And on it goes, a carefully developed strategy to turn a nation–and beyond to other cultures–around on centuries of understanding of what it means to be human.
Hey, it’s the second decade of the century and we are on a roll! By the way, thank you to all the violent opposition that gives us fuel so we can ignore the contributions made by conservative Christians in AIDS care (including the fact that the President who initiated the huge fund for AIDS relief in Africa is an evangelical Christian).
Let’s have a party and call it “Gay Pride.” Because we can sure be proud of our success.
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I can see that you really do not like gays, but I cannot figure out from your writing why do you dislike them? Has someone gay or bisexual hurt you in some way?
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Terra, some people just can’t overcome the crap that they’ve learned growing up.
In regards to his commercial:
“Mom, guess what I learned in school today? I learned how a prince can marry a prince, and I can marry a princess!” Then, cut to a conservative law professor: “Think it can’t happen? It already has.”
So what? That child will grow up and realize they love who they love, regardless of what they ‘learned’
It amazes me that these anti-gay individuals will talk about the sanctity of marriage while they have divorce and annulments in their personal lives. And just HOW did he manage to get an annulment after 9 years of marriage and 2 children!?
I recently joined the Catholic church and find the dichotomy between love everyone like Jesus and gays are going to hell.
As far as I understand, there are 2 provisions in the Catholic Catechism that allow Catholics to be pro-gay… First of all, paragraph 1782 “Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. “He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters.”
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Paragraph 2358: “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”
Not allowing Homosexuals the right to marry under civil law is unjust discrimination. It is saying “you, as American citizens, have less rights under the law than other American citizens because you are ‘different’” Which is basically the definition of unjust discrimination.
If religions do not want to marry homosexuals, that is their peragotive and their issue to deal with within their own faith, but NOT in the American civil code.
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lol you dont want to pay for homosexual diseases in your health care rates?? well i dont want to pay for all your catholic childbearing….why should i subsidize your right to have as many children as you want?? Why should i subsidize marriage between a man a woman and for their children through absurd tax breaks. Its ok for the government to promote a marriage and the rearing of children but why is it ok to promote it to some people but neglect others from engaging in the very acts they are trying to promote?
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“I love my sister very much, and I wanted her to know that my working on this issue was not a reflection of me seeing her as a less valuable person,” he said.
your not a less valuable person he says BUT YOU ARE A LESS VALUABLE PARENT is what his actions and words dictate
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Mr. Schubert comes across to me as a man that will believe in anything for the right amount of money. He’s smarmy, unctous, and the perfect candidate for political office.
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Gov’t shouldn’t be involved in marriages in the first place. When the gov’t issues a license or permit, it is an implicit approval of the governed to engage in the licensed or permitted activity. None of us should be forced by our government to approve of the relationships of others.
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The same right wing christians that are against this, were also against interacial marriage, specifically blacks and whites. The arguments and soundbites were exactly all the same. It wasn’t natural, God didn’t attend for that and it will ruin the sanctity of marriage blah, blah.blah.
How telling that he got his first marriage annulled and the Repub Majority leader that sponsored and pushed this bill was having an extra marital affair while writing it. The only thing these holier then thou conservative Christians seem capable of protecting is the sanctity of hypocrisy.
Separation of Church and State! If your religious views or Churches beliefs are such that are against gays marrying, then you’re entitled to believe that and then don’t give them a marriage service in your church. BUT…your religious beliefs should not EVER be used to then deny others legal rights or abridge their constitutional rights. In fact it is your DUTY to protect and ensure equal rights for all and not only regardless if goes against your personal beliefs but especially then and in despite of them, you must defend their constitutional rights to equality. And please…STOP evoking God’s name to support your narrow minded bigoted right wing views…Jesus wasn’t a conservative!
“God created sex. Priests created marriage. ”
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Yes. It is not right. You are right. Eloquent wording fastone.
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i like 17 dislikes for my comments haha yet only 1 opponent of gay marriage has the guts to debate it on here…cairman i give you credit because we all know the others on here disliking cant debate the merits of the very things they are championing. I invite any conservative marriage ammendment proponent to debate me on here or in real life…crickets chirping….was that the church?? nope still dont hear your trumpeting.
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Marriage is a privilege. Not a right. Rights are laid out in the Constitution. Privileges are granted by government in the form of permits, licenses and regulations.
Get it right, fastone. Just like collective bargaining is not a right, neither is marriage.
Get government out of marriage. Period.
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We both know I’ve never said that collective bargaining was a right….so you shouldn’t have even tried to insinuate I did…bad form.
And again, nope…you have wrong perspective on this….equality regardless of beliefs is absolutely and unrefuteably a constitutional right and not a privelage and as stands the government is punishing some and rewarding others with monetary gains based upon a difference of lifestyles and beliefs. The government is therefor punishing others based upon a biased christian based set of standards that not even all christian denominations agree with. By doing so they are therefor negating people’s right to be treated with equality and promoting discrimination instead of defending our RIGHT to equality.
I don’t disagree with though your concept of getting the government out of condoning and sanctioning of marriage. You bring up an interesting point…and would solve the equal rights issue for everyone…don’t just stop granting marriage licenses but stop giving unfair monetary compensation to “hetrosexual married couples only” in tax incentive breaks, just eliminate the tax break. Your suggestion works on couple of levels, it keeps the rabid holier then thou Christian nutjobs out of whining about condoning gay marriages and takes wind out of sails of gay couples saying aren’t treated equally as couples and are punished monetarily for their choices. Of course then the atheists will have a fit probably complaining that if can’t go to city hall to get married where are they to go? LMAO..but that could be easy fix…oh, got it, all athesists can get married at sea by captain of ship…be shot in arm to cruise line business which they need..LOL.
It would be curious to see if these crazy homphobes would be willing to put their money where their mouth is…if so adament against granting gay couples that right and tax break, then just give up yours!…it would indeed be interesting to see how well that went over….btw not pro-gay…can’t even say have gay friends..LOL..but I do side with them over the inequality. IMHO, everyone should…
I can’t remember who quoting on this one, maybe if this Frank Schubert pops in here he could help with who said…”Judge not lest ye’ be judged”
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