by Duluth News Tribune
July 9, 2012 at 2:43 am in Duluth News Tribune
Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin are moving in that direction of having rules set for this year if they survive court challenges and federal approval. Continue Reading
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I think this is a great idea. In today’s society, why wouldn’t people have a valid ID?! You need it for almost everything.
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almost everything except???…..voting for instance lol
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In a free society, generally it is only car owners who really need to have a photo ID on a regular basis. My grandfather gets along just fine, and he almost never uses a photo ID. I know people with jobs who don’t drive and don’t show an ID to go to work or the grocery store. This isn’t Soviet Russia. People aren’t asked for their “papers” by KGB in a grocery store or in a park.
Mostly it is just people who drive cars that really need a photo ID on a regular basis. Do we really want to unnaturally favor car drivers as voters? Do we really want to exclude so many young and old folks who tend to not use cars.
8% of white Americans and 25% of black Americans who are all eligible to vote lack a photo ID. Do we really want to exclude those people? Rural people without cars might be hours away from a DMV.
To quote the NY Times:
““In West Texas, some people [who don't own any cars] would have a 200-mile round-trip drive” to the nearest state office to get a card, he testified, according to The Dallas Morning News. More than a quarter of the state’s counties don’t even have an office to get a driver’s license or voter card. Lines at the San Antonio motor vehicles offices are often more than two hours long, he said.”
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This is presented as a news story? From Associated Press? It sure reads like a viewpoint column.
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People today seem totally unaware that there were mass protests across the nation because states were making their own laws and rules to prevent people from voting. People today seem obvlivious to the fact that people gave their lives for our basic right to vote and that protestors were attacked and beat and whipped in Selma by the Police because were protesting for their right to vote. It resulted in the Voting Right Act of 1965 to ensure that states didn’t negate everyone’s right to vote by making special rules.
Now fast forward to today and we have Republicans that control state legislatures trying once again to disenfranchise voters with new rules. We have a brainwashed populace supporting it apparently oblivious that we’re talking about our most basic fundamental right, obvlivious to the sacrifices people have made to ensure states don’t make laws to disenfranchise voters and oblivious to the transparent partisan agenda saying…What’s the big deal?
A magician must cause a misdirection to distract you from seeing what he’s really doing to fool you into believing it’s really magic. A politician does the same thing and the only difference is one is for entertainment you already paid for and the other is for something you’ll always be paying for but believe it’s really for your own good.
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“A magician must cause a misdirection to distract you from seeing what he’s really doing to fool you into believing it’s really magic. A politician does the same thing and the only difference is one is for entertainment you already paid for and the other is for something you’ll always be paying for but believe it’s really for your own good.”
Kind of like Obamacare, huh?
If I need a photo ID to get a job and earn money that pays for welfare benefits for those who won’t work (otherwise known as “the disenfranchised”), they ought to need a photo ID to collect those benefits. If they do need one, problem solved. Who else is left that doesn’t need a photo ID these days?
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im pretty sure you dont need those to get A job (u may need them to get a legal job)….otherwise illegal immigration wouldnt be an issue
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Fastone….why is it that, you guys keep referring to voter ID as an attempt to keep people from voting ( particularly… voters likely to vote for Democrats ….the way you phrase it )…..when all this voter ID is for…..is to keep it legal and legitimate? This is NOT to keep ANY LEGITIMATE, REGISTERED voter from doing his or her patriotic duty and vote the way they feel? ANYONE that is LEGAL to vote, and that do not have a photo ID ……can get a photo ID! Let’s just keep the elections clean….so there are no disputes after the elections! This is certainly NOT too difficult to understand! ALL elections are important….from local all the way to the Presidential elections…..ANYONE that is legal to vote….and ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE…..should be able to vote…..and hopefully, they will vote! People who are NOT REGISTERED in their home district, should NOT be waiting to register the day of the vote…..if they are serious about voting how they feel…..and not just coerced into voting by some group advocating a particular cause or endorsing a particular candidate! COMMON SENSE is all that is asked of here!
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from the article : “A lot of people don’t have a photo ID. They’ll be automatically disenfranchised,”. So because they are ignorant, it is incumbent upon the rest of us to educate them, lest they be disenfranchised? Puleeze! Try telling a judge that you didn’t know it was illegal to….., or I didn’t know I had to……. It won’t get you anywhere with the judge, and it shouldn’t with the ballot. Ignorance brought us Obama and his regime of unelected, unaccountable, socialist czars. It brought us the most damaging blow to our constitutional liberties in our history (obamacare. If the gov’t can coerce you into purchasing something via a punitive tax, what can’t they force you to do?). The only way we wright this country is to see that only those who have a right to vote get to vote. Voter ID laws all provide a means to provide ID’s free of charge to those who can’t afford them. The US supreme court has upheld those laws in states like Indiana. The only reason the Democrats continue to fight against them is because they benefit from those illegal votes. Period. So no, it’s not about preventing qualified people from voting as Levi claims, it’s about stopping the fraud. I fail to see why the naysayers are so worked up over the alleged disenfranchisement of a demographic group, a majority of whom can’t even be bothered to take the time to get to the polls and vote. Wouldn’t their efforts be better spent on a get out to vote campaign? Except that they’ve been courting the fraudulent vote for so long that they’ve come to feel entitled to it.
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they are not trying to prevent fraud with voter id they are trying to prevent people from voting period.
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Voter I.D. does not disenfranchise anyone if you provide them with a government issued I.D. card. You libs are all for government provided healthcare, housing, welfare, and everything else under the sun, but you think that providing an I.D. card to vote is a major obstacle? Come on! Maybe you should talk about how the automobile industry disenfranchises people from voting instead. The price of vehicles is so high that some people don’t have the money to buy a car and therefore drive themselves to vote. Or perhaps you should file a class action lawsuit against mother nature for preventing people from getting to the polls during natural disasters….talk about disenfranchising!
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Federal law already requires people provide proof of identity to board an airplane, get a passport, or start work at a new job. Photo ID is also required when renting a car, purchasing alcohol, cashing a check or entering a federal building. The many photo ID requirements we encounter in our daily lives are legitimate, effective security measures.
Securing the ballot box is just as important. True Americans overwhelmingly support voter-id and value the integrity of their elections and want them as fair, honest, and legal as possible.
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ok let me put this in simple terms for you …. yes i have a picture id drivers license that lets me do all those things you mentioned, however as a college student (now graduated) who moves quite often from apt to apt to find the best deal possible i do not technically have a valid id. Why should i have to pay 20 bucks everytime i move just so i can vote?
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rephrase that i didnt have one that had my correct address on it id say 5 of the last 7 years. Im wondering how many of you guys claiming we need them would go out and get all the proper documents and then pay the fee just so you can vote. Of course you will say you will on here but in real life i highly doubt you would take the time effort and trouble caused by a voter id law that is apparently only addressing a 0.004% of votes that were fraudulent. Also the majority of voter fraud has nothing to do with this, its felons that still voted (not affected by id law still) or paying people for their votes (still wont get affected by id law still)….so yeah keep thinking this voter id law will do anything to prevent fraud and not do anything to prevent honest citizens from voting (however you will be wrong in your assumption)
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Considering that the ID won’t cost them anything, what you’re saying then is the people you’re so concerned about are too lazy to get off their butts and go get one.
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gas is free? bus fare is free? your TIME and EFFORT is free? how about somebody disabled? cmon now not everyone is just cheap and lazy (despite what all the right wing pundits like to tell you)
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You get to learn a valuable life lesson today: Nobody is going to wipe your nose, tie your shoes and hold your hand all the way to the end. At some point you have to put your Big Boy panties on and do things for yourself. That might even include leaving the house, getting on a bus or going somewhere. If this is too much for the people you’re so worried about, I don’t think I want them voting. (They can hang out with you on election day since you won’t be voting either.)
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Levi – by law you are required to update your drivers license with your current address within 30 days after moving. Regardless of voter id, you would have to do it anyway
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then how come i dont get a ticket or go to jail when a cop has pulled me over multiple times with the wrong address on there? He gave me a fix it ticket making me go down to cop shop later and prove i got fixed so why didnt he do the same for the drivers license?? They do it for insurance if its not correct as well yet i have never heard of anyone getting a ticket or anything for wrong address on your license.
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and what does your address have to do with driving?? If you dont drive do you still need to update the address??
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Levi…..am not positive about this….BUT, seeing as though you move around the area…..the current address you have ( at the time of an election )…..may be incorrect on your ID……but your photo still shows what you look like…..you would probably need to still bring a current utility bill or something …….to verify your new address! BUT, THE IMPORTANT thing here is your photo…which still remains the same, irregardless of your actual street address! SO< all in all…..should be no problem for you! One other thing…..it is very important that you change the address on your ID……as soon as you move,……and NOT wait until election day.
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dont worry i dont plan on voting (just might be swayed to get off my “lazy arse” to vote on this and the marriage ammendment however)
its not who votes that counts its who counts the votes….. If its not a computer program thats defrauding our elections its the Supreme Court so im not optimistic about my vote doing anything of consequence. You may believe our elections have fraudulent votes i argue that elections can be rigged as well so at least we have common ground there.
i have a voter registration card telling me where to vote why is this not sufficient proof? If one had to show the card to vote you could only vote at one place, now why wouldnt this alleviate your voter fraud?
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i see once again no one has an answer for my pertinent questions…how come no tickets??? how come a voter registration card isnt proof enough?>?? why no responses just clickin dislikes on comments based on who the commenter was lol? If you guys can give me one good reason why i can be persuaded to your side unfortunately none of you have articulated sufficent reasoning to make this an amendment.
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To Levi who said~ “i can be persuaded to your side unfortunately none of you have articulated sufficent reasoning to make this an amendment.”
Cosign that, been asking for months for them to prove there is voter fraud impacting elections and all I get is the parroted response…it’s apparently the only thing they know to say~~>Everyone should have voter ID it’s easy. Kinda creepy how every singe conservative gives that same response when asking for proof of voter fraud…Karl Rove can clearly brainwash the Repub base which clearly are incapable of grasping rudimentary concepts such as…saying how easy it is to get an ID IS NOT proof of voter fraud nor a rebuttal to proof there isn’t voter fraud. It’s like talking to a box of rocks.
They’re even wrong on that argument because they’re all clearly mentally challenged, you DON’T need a current photo ID for most of their lame examples. I don’t need a current photo ID to buy alcohol, enter a federal building, board a plane, or open a bank account, or get an account with any business such as Mn Power or Charter or whomever. Done all within last 2 years without needing one.
Just another step we’re taking down slippery slope Repubs put us on long ago towards becoming a totally Facist state. How thick as a brick are they? Besides completely going against the constitution and supporting policies that negate our basic rights, this is the same group that hollers incessantly about less government wasteful spending, smaller government, less regulations and intrusions into our lives…they can’t even stay on their own points…but when Karl Rove has an agenda and O’Reilly and Malkin and Limbaugh speak…they nod and go along like sheep to the slaughter…trouble is they’re dragging me and the country down with them.
“When Facism comes to America it will be wrapped in an American Flag”…Huey Long
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There have been a ton of answers, but the moderator won’t post them.
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Levi – the reason you don’t receive a ticket or citation is because you’re being dishonest with the police officer.
If/when he/she asks if that is your current address, if you don’t receive a ticket or citation it’s because you lied and said yes. If they don’t ask, it’s still a lie thru omission because as I stated ealier, it’s a state law your drivers license/state issued id is updated within 30 days after you move.
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kodac i believe they never even asked that question and is someone at fault (or lying as you put it) for breaking a law they dont even know exists???
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hugh your answers everyone is trying to post are obviously not articulated well enough then….its pretty easy to get any point across on here without resorting to things that the moderator does not allow on here.
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They do, in fact, ask that question on occassion, depending on the officer. Also, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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danH heres the valuable life lesson for you today…..you just said you dont want “those” people voting anyway (sounds like disenfranchising to me buddy lol)….not to mention you deem disbaled and elderly as unworthy of voting then?? And i dont need any help your right and i do have my big boy panties on (there pink) unlike you however i realize not everyone can do things with equal amount of time and effort and thus are disproportionally affected. Just because something seems relatively easy for you to do doesnt mean A.) others can do it as easily and B.) that it should become mandatory to do so just to vote.
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im willing to bet that you dont think anyone should vote who doesnt pay federal taxes am i right on this assumption?? i mean they dont let felons vote because more than likely they would vote to repeal the very laws that made them a felon…and on the welfare side why let them vote since they will only vote to ensure their entitlements keep coming to them right>>???? You think only people who try hard enough should vote whereas i believe everyone should be encouraged to vote not discouraged.
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Securing the ballot box is just as important. True Americans overwhelmingly support voter-id and value the integrity of their elections and want them as fair, honest, and legal as possible. For those looking for definitive proof of voter fraud. Far left Democrat Jimmy Carter led a bipartisan commission on Federal Election Reform and concluded ‘The electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud or to confirm the identity of voters.’ The commission recommended stronger photo-identification requirements at the polls. See http://tinyurl.com/87sxtt5.
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lol classic conservative rallying cry….if you dont believe in voter id laws your not a “true american” lol wow such a joke
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Get a valid ID, then you get to vote! Simple rule. If voting is important to that individual, they will do what is required to. If not, that is their choice. That same valid ID should be required for filing for unemployment, health care, and on and on. The fact there is voter fraud in this country is most disturbing. We cant trust the system or the people that run it…. OUCH!
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your right we cant trust the system and the people running it…..but we differ in that you think you cant trust the voters. im going to propose a hypothetical for voter id proponents…you say if you care about voting you will do what is required of you. What if the cost of new drivers license goes up?? What if you have to travel twice as far to get it?…. it will affect people disproportionally you see. Cost-benefit analysis plays a part here. If i dont make any money and work all the time …the money and time spent on voting vs whether my vote will have any consequence in my life…..what you get is people voting for their own interests …for republicans its tax breaks and for democrats its programs that help the poor and needy (i.e. government handouts/entitlements). And then theres people like me…no kids no spouse just enough money to not get entitlements (so why vote democrat?)…..only the wealthy and business owners seem to get tax breaks so why vote republican? whats left is the likes of Nader and Ventura and some guy from the vampire party lol….no thank you ill take the time i wouldve spent voting on debating people online.
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I dont see where cost of a license or where you have to get it is relative to voter fraud. Theres alway going to be challenges no matter the system. I do think dropping the electoral college and going to a straight popular vote with todays technology shouldnt be that difficult. Then and only then, will YOUR vote make a difference!
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i dont see the fraud period lol (i cant see 0.004% of something)
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Levi….Honest question…..are you here to argue, just for the sake of it….or what you consider a legitimate debate? Hope to answer a couple of questions for you, that you asked earlier…..The post card that you have, showing your voting location, your district numbers for your congress man, your state legislators, school district …etc….just gives you the particular info about ( based on your CURRENT ADDRESS) what district races you CAN vote for….this card is NOT a verifiable document to use for ID purposes…..( no photo )….just so you know where you can vote and what district races yo CAN vote for…..DEPENDING ON IF YOUR CURRENT ADDRESS IS CORRECT! If wrong because of a change in address……it is up to you to get it changed. As far as you NOT getting ticketed when you were pulled over…..the typical police officer is not going to ticket you just because you just moved…..BUT, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to get your address changed on all of your documents…..NOT to difficult…..comprende?
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obviously you would use any photo you have with ur name (why does it need to be updated) but as long as you have to show the card it ensures you only vote at one location now wouldnt it>?
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Levi……you do not even have to bring the post card with you to vote…..just go to the correct polling place…..show your DL or your state ID…..do your thing and leave….quit trying to push everybody’s buttons here……OK? You are just trying to waste everybody’s time here……and you know it! Too much time on your hands!
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so you think its ok for the government to make some people pay for a new id every year? So how does a homeless person vote??? he doesnt have an address let alone a current address..but im sure you dont believe “those” people should vote either. To your first question yes i like to argue and debate and honestly if everyone on here was against voter ids but their reasoning behind it was flawed i would call them out as well. I tend to defend the people who cant defend themselves which is why i lean towards liberalism but trust me i will… As far as the registration card it has my old address and my drivers license has the same address..i have since moved obviously but both have same address on it…why do i have to change both just to vote…. why would voting at one place instead of the other decrease any fraud??? Id still only get one vote and wouldnt be allowed to vote in both places…so why should i have to is my question you can say its the law but that doesnt provide any legitimate reasoning behind it.
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You must be, obviously pretty young…..never had civics in high school…do not have too much experience in voting procedures……or, like I mentioned already…..you are just pushing people’s buttons / jerking their chains…..whatever! I frankly, do not have any more time trying to explain to you what you have to do……how to do it…….and the reasons WHY…..over and out!
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Take 100,000,000 votes x your .004 and tell me what you see???? Elections have been won by far less margin than this….
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Etemn….. I agree, but I also believe, the % figure is higher….as there seems to be way too many QUESTIONABLE ballots that are not reported / prosecuted…..such as “finding box loads of ballots” in someone’s trunk of their car….and many other “excuses” ballot judges have mentioned! NO BALLOTS…..UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES should be leaving the facility that they have been cast in….untill WELL AFTER they have been tabulated and verified…..does not matter whether they have been counted or not…….they are not to leave until the results of the election have bee determined….putting ballots in boxes of someone’s personal vehicle…..WHAT ON EARTH is THIS SYSTEM comming to?…..this is potential fraud……just waiting to happen…..especially before they have been counted….and even afterwards, someone can alter the ballot and say….we found mistakes….hold on….may change the outcome of the election! BOTTOM LINE FOLKS…….why not prevent it…… BEFORE it happens?……all of our very futures……could ride on this! You ALL know this……in your hearts!
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ctcmn…..Sorry, I made a typo of your name!
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prevent it before the nonexistent threat happens…seems like their greasing you up to invade Iran or something…
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yeah like the 5 to 4 supreme court ruling in bush vs gore….theres your voter fraud
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Obama administration opposes voter-id laws, not because they are constitutional questionable but, more than likely, because they realize they are more likely to benefit from voter fraud than be harmed by it.
There are few rights that are valued as dearly as the right to the
universal franchise. Wars have been fought to secure it and wars have been fought to protect it. People have died defending it and they have died trying to make sure it was extended to others. Spend the $20 for a valid driver license & move on…
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wars have been fought to ensure your right to vote…WITHOUT A POLLING TAx (no matter what you try to say it is a tax…unless they pay for the id, pay for the transportation to get the id, and pay opportunity cost of the time spent getting it …then yeah its legal and ill support it but not in the mean time.
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Jim J~ “Obama administration opposes voter-id laws, not because they are constitutional questionable but, more than likely, because they realize they are more likely to benefit from voter fraud than be harmed by it.”
Let me guess, the sky is green and the grass is blue in your world. I’d love to see you support with proof your assertation but we both know you CANNOT. It’s not only unConstitutional but as I’ve already pointed out it totally flies in the face of the 1965 Voting Right Act which as you claimed for wrong reasons…people did die for and were beat by police and protested nationally and had to march on DC and why? Because conservatives had waged a war for decades on Blacks trying to put up hurdles to prevent them from voting and here they are back to their old tricks but this time they’re also going for college students and Seniors as well.
Of course Obama is against it because it goes against the Constitution and NOBODY can prove that voter fraud has been a problem, not that conservatives pushing their agenda to disenfranchis voters haven’t tried for 10 years to do so. But like Adolf said…lies repeated often enough the more outlandish the better you can make people believe heaven is hell and hell is heaven…and Karl Rove has proven that repeatedly. He has pushed this notion of voter ID and voter fraud for 10 years, he’s even cost Gonzales the Attorney General under Bush his job over it and he’s got the conservatives believing the complete opposite of truth and adamently supporting a pack of lies.
There is no voter fraud impacting our elections, but conservatives have been brainwashed to believe there is. There are no dead people voting, there wasn’t a single case of voter fraud in the Carlson/Franken Election which has to be on of the most scrutinized vote tallys in history, yet Faux News repeatedly ran that there was rampant voter fraud and the coservative sheep believe it.
Heaven is hell and hell is heaven to conservatives. Michele Malkin cites that there are almost 2 million people still on voting rolls that have died and somehow convinces the Republicans that’s proof of rampant voter fraud. Seriously, it’s almost comical that you folks believe dead people are voting…I find it unimaginable that people are that stupid but then again, several of the regulars here have cited exactly that..
Heaven is hell and hell is heaven and the sky is green and grass is blue. The notion that Democrats only way to win is by cheating with voter fraud flies in the face of even common sense, but grasping rudimentary concepts not conservatives strong suit. There are far more registered Democrats then Republicans…and outnumber the Repubs by the millions…so who has to cheat for an unfair advantage? Why of course, the Republicans which is EXACTLY why Karl Rove came up with the notion of using photo ID’s 10 years ago with the agenda of giving the Repubs an unfair advantage and that’s the only fraud that’s being perpetrated and Rove figured could do it if convinced the not so intelligent Republican base that voter fraud was a rampant problem…and presto…the sheep clearly buy it…despite the fact that nobody can prove voter fraud is a problem, despite the only thing can think to say when asked for proof of it because it DOESN’T EXIST is to repeat what brainwashed to say without even thinking it through…by saying getting a photo ID should be no problem. The PROBLEM is that is not response to show me the proof of rampant voter fraud.
Not everyone has cars, not everyone has a certified birth certificate, not everyone can afford the fee’s to get something they shouldn’t need but everyone has the right to vote. You can open a bank account, rent an apartment, get a phone, get a job, pay your TAXES!! all without needing a current photo ID so why does one now have to have one to vote? Because Repubs need to cheat by pushing a propaganda campaign of lies. In Wisconsin the voter ID law carried with it the stipulation that even current photo ID’s with current photo student ID would not allow college students to vote, why? Because they are group that commits voter fraud or they’re the voting block that votes Democratic? Seniors who worked whole lives and paid taxes but don’t drive and don’t need a current photo ID as long established now will be barred from voting. Why? Because those over 65 are most prone to voter fraud or as voting block they vote Democratic.
The only fraud being perpetrated is Republicans trying to negate our most basic and fundamental right to vote.
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Could you expand on that a bit?
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Good points from many, however Jim J you do not need an ID to enter a Federal Building at least here in Duluth all you have to do is pass the metal detector.
Dan H Where are they giving ID’s away for free? Last I heard it was $18.00 for people under 65 and $11.00 for over 65 which is nominal but not free.
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The text of the question as it will appear on ballots is this: “”Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to require all voters to present valid photo identification to vote and to require the state to provide free identification to eligible voters, effective July 1, 2013?”
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hey dan im willing to bet you believe your time is worth something, im sure you dont like to waste gas money so why should some people have to waste gas and why is their time not worth anything?
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If getting a drivers license or state-issued ID card requires a major value judgment on their part because it might take them away from home, maybe they should just stay home. Wow. Do you want your entire life handed to you so you never have to make any effort whatsoever? You’re really going to hate the real world should you ever decide to venture out into it.
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no i dont want my entire life handed to me…but honestly that has nothing to do with whether or not voter id fraud happens whether voter id laws are unconstitutinoal and whether or not they affect people disproportionally… Speaking of the real world, everyone living in it knows a drivers license is not required to live your life.
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I’ll try one more time on this topic to get an honest response.
Are there not thousands of MN residents already using fake id’s? Yup. To get into bars, buy alcohol, collect benefits that they aren’t entitled to. Do you really think grandma poll worker will be better at spotting them than Joe bouncer or cop?
Of course not. Additionally, don’t amend the constitution with something that won’t even exist in the future. I mean, duh we won’t be carrying a piece of plastic in the future for id.
How do you get the id in the first place? A ss card and birth certificate. They aren’t good enough to vote?
It’s a B.S. politically driven streaming pile of you know what.
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are you trying to say people want to vote just as much as they want to drink??? no i do think so…not to mention drinking underage doesnt bring you to jail and give you a felony whereas voter fraud does (perfect deterrent nothing else is needed-i.e. no voter id)
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I own property in districts 6 and 8 in Minnesota and a condo in Florida. I think I’m going to vote in both districts in MN then fly to Florida and vote down there this election. Without votor-id I’m going to register in two locations in MN, and change my primary address to Florida then I can vote for Romney in MN and FL as well as Michelle Bachmann and Chip Cravvack in MN. I’ve been way to honest my whole life, I need to start thinking and acting like you democrats … you know who you are, you are the ones that “found” a few hundred extra votes in St. Louis county in 2010 for that comedian senator that thinks rape is a joke …
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A voter ID itself would not prevent you from voting in both MN and FL, since you could easily get photo ID from both states. I have had valid photo IDs from more than one state before. That is easy to do. To prevent that kind of voter fraud, we would need a national voter registration database to prevent someone with two photo IDs from voting in two places. In Texas, a gun permit counts as a valid photo ID for voting (a student photo ID even from a state university does not). So I could vote there with a gun permit and here with my drivers license. Photo ID does not solve these problems.
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Steveo…..You bring up a very valid point! Yes, there probably should be a national voter base….so that a voter can vote in his / her home district….and be electronically inputed…..that registration COULD NOT possibly be registered ANYWHERE else in the country! The bad part of that….is this would be another “BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING” type of thing…..and we are trying to end that scenario…..before it goes “full scale”! BUT, votes with a photo ID…..would be a good step in the right direction! We want to stop any “irregularities” ……no “finding additional ballots”…..anything along those lines! Elections are very important……ONLY REGISTERED LEGAL VOTES should be able to vote….we all want good, clean elections…..every election…..local or national……..period!
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In my ideal world, no one would be allowed to vote unless they had a valid concealed carry permit…
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As Sam pointed out, a photo ID would not prevent you from doing as you proposed and you could easily get photo ID’s to do exactly as you proposed such as having a driver license in two different states.
The reason that NOBODY can find a case where a photo ID would prevent fraud is because besides the instances of voter fraud being so extremely rare…they are almost all entirely felons who voted when their voting rights suspended which a photo ID of course wouldn’t prevent. Even the Minnesota Majority which is the Republican paid for whores to push this amendment, couldn’t find a single case that a photo ID would prevent and by their own admission only found 113 cases in Minnesota of fraudlent voting in 2010 out of 2.9 million votes cast and they were all felons. So what is the point?
If you did do what you proposed SteveO, it would mean you are knowingly committing two federal felonies with each count punishable by up to 5 years in a Federal Prison. Now please try to think about this because at the very heart of all the lies and nonsense and propaganda you’ve been fed by Faux News and all the Reichwing talking heads….the real truth is in the answer to this question….Would you really even contemplate casting 2 fraudulent votes weighed against the fact you could do 10 years in Prison for it if caught? The answer should be obvious and it also explains why voter fraud is NOT committed by people knowingly.
The dumb ruse by O’Keefe used by Repubs to show that without photo ID he could impersonate Holder…why do you think he DIDN’T actually vote? Why you think in his own video he ran out of building? Because he knew full well that if he did vote he could face a lengthy prison sentence. We already have a detterent that trumps a photo ID and why we don’t have a voter fraud problem.
Do some research and dare to think for yourself, Faux News is Lying to you, Karl Rove is lying to you, the Minnesota Majority is lying to….because none of them can prove that there is a voter fraud problem and none of them can prove a photo ID would prevent that “rampant” voter fraud the Minnesota Majority barks about in Minnesota…all 113 cases out of 2.9 million votes. Which btw where all felons who lost their right to vote and a photo ID wouldn’t have prevented.
Also, Faux has lied to you about the Coleman Franken election. Norm Coleman’s legal team after 8 months of scrutinizing the votes is on record to the state supreme court that they couldn’t find a single case of voter fraud. That hasn’t stopped Faux News from lying to you though…there’s a reason the FCC won’t give them a News license…they have an entertainment broadcast license…so they can say whatever they want, it’s entertainment, it’s not news.
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that recount was watched by whole country and no voter fraud buddy….and unlike republicans most people cant afford to pay lawyers to get them out of jail, hence they dont commit felonies to begin with.
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I see you went after Levi. Why no answers to my common sense points? Doesn’t fit in with rhetoric, I suppose?
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But your second comment Dan is hilarious. Big time thumbs up.
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2 problems for voter ID laws.
Number 1, there is no evidence that photo ID will prevent any level of fraud that would justify so onerous a law. Texas had only 5 cases of voter impersonation in the last few years. Most claims of mass voter fraud are made up by blog sites (the Senator Franken 2008 voter allegations are made up and not reported by any legitimate news sites).
Number 2, there would be massive voter disenfranchisement. Millions of Americans lack the relevant IDs, especially the elderly, the young, students, the poor, minorities, the jobless, and those who are carless. Thousands of university students in MN lack the right form of ID, and would need to make a special trip to get one. The same is true for elderly people in MN.
For example, 8% of white Americans lack an official state photo ID (mostly the young, the old, and the poor), but 25% of black Americans lack such ID. More than a million legitimate eligible voters lack such an ID in the state of Texas alone, and the offices to get the IDs are often far away from where carless people live.
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So how do these poor disenfrachised people who you so insultingly paint as pathetic, helpless creatures unable to fend for themselves get by on a day-to-day basis?
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My grandfather gets along just fine, and he almost never uses a photo ID. I know people with jobs who don’t drive and don’t show an ID to go to work or the grocery store. This isn’t Soviet Russia. People aren’t asked for their “papers” by KGB in the grocery store. People without IDs aren’t helpless. Mostly it is just people who drive cars that really need a photo ID on a regular basis, and middle aged white people with good jobs are the least likely to lack a car. Young and old folks tend to not use cars as much, but they aren’t helpless.
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Oh. So they ARE able to get out of the house, go to work and lead productive lives? Unless it involves stopping somewhere along the way and getting a photo ID? Make up your mind.
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Read the NY Times article. Some people in rural areas live an hours drive from the DMV, and they don’t even have a car. So getting the DMV ID is a royal pain for about 50 million eligible voters. These voters have jobs and are good people, but going to the DMV by bus hours away is not a priority. Their family and jobs are the priority.
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thank you sam for pointing out what ive been trying to tell them…just because something is easy for them to do doesnt mean its easy for everyone and that different people are affected disproportionally by these laws. But thats the whole point by the voter id backers……hey how can we win elections when democrats far outnumber republicans>??? lets make it harder for certain people..(hmmm they all tend to primarily vote democrat) to vote period.
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