NOEM: My resolve to repeal Obamacare strengthened
July 2, 2012 at 11:11 am in The Daily Republic
The Supreme Court’s ruling to uphold the president’s health care law has only strengthened my resolve to repeal it in its entirety because this government takeover of health care is not good for South Dakotans.
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And what, Ms. Noem, do you offer in place of it for the people who don’t have insurance who need medical care? How about coming up with a plan of your own before doing away with a plan that at least helps some people who need it.
Let’s see your alternative. Oh, that’s right. You don’t have one do you?
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Ms. Noem has voted to reduce funds to Head Start, Even Start, as well as other programs that help those who are the most vulnerable: the poor, the elderly and the children. Seeking ways to help people with unmet medical needs will not be high on her list. What is high, as her voting record illustrates, is providing tax breaks to large corporations including the oil companies. Our strongest opposition to this is to vote her out of office.
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krissy: what an awful generalization you make that I will have to disagree with. My husband and I have worked very hard to not receive “handouts” as you say. He has always had health problems that have been listed as pre-existing conditions and thus not covered, which have “forced” me to retain part-time jobs in order to get on employee health insurance, “forced” us to put my small children in daycare when we otherwise did not have to, “forced” us to pay up to $3000 a month to have health insurance that would cover his medical needs. You are quite assuming to think that all this law boils down to is “hand outs.” Currently, my husband, who has worked hard to feed his family and I have worked hard to walk by his side, has multiple myeloma. This law will allow for him to have some options as his disease progresses: options that will not “force” us into financial ruin as we continue to work to provide for our family. Krissy, my invitation to you is to research a bit better the need for this legislation, research the human stories that need it, and then decide if your heart really feels it is only for people who want “hand outs.” peace
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Ms. Noem unfortunately has not shown the capacity of independent thought. Every talking point she has come directly from the playbook of her party. While saying the health care plan is not good for South Dakota her statement is the same as every Republican. You could remove “South Dakota” and insert any term you wish, men,women, children, working people, the affluent….anything. It’s like a big game of “Mad Libs” to these people and they actually offer nothing in return. All they do is make you afraid of something and tell you who’s to blame for it. You never hear any solutions other then deregulation and no taxes. Of course those things aren’t meant for the “people” of South Dakota, they’re just meant for the interests that got her where she is.
Why should I care about her thoughts on health care when hers is paid for. And it’s paid for for what? Civil service? More like self service.
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To everyone supporting Obamacare, how do you think we are going to pay for it?
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If you knew the facts the program is mostly paid for already, but keep listening to Fox News(which is not news, just opinion) and you can sleep at night.
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It’s paid for in the same way the rest of the $5 trillion and counting Obama deficit is paid for, with the printing presses rolling and begging for money from China.
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Please, I’m begging you. Go find the facts and know what you are talking about. I would also like to point out that like Ms. Noem you offer no soulution to a very serious national problem.
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The solution the left has crammed down our throats is worse than the original problem.
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We will see how popular Obamacare is once Medicare benifits start to get limited. If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it is free. We are moving towards a two tiered system. Providers are not going to see pts. through the exchange as it costs them, as in they have to pay a part of the bill to the point where it is more than they can afford and still stay it business, so those people will be insured but not have access to health care. Those that have insurance will continue to see their rates climb to off set the loses from Medicaid and soon Medicare. Common sense dictates you cant get something for nothing and this bill GIVES to much for NOTHING for to many people. Stop the rhetoric and just look @ it from a common sense point of view. All the people that will benefit are either high cost (need a lot of care) or pay nothing in. That will pass the bill to the rest of us as Obama has just been confirmed by the supreme court of the land for being responsible for the highest tax increase EVER for the WORKING CLASS. The rich are going to pay more than most, but even the working class is ponying for this one. Whats really unfair, is the rich already have insurance and will pay higher premiums on the insurance they have, more for their employees, and a penalty based on income with no cap. If you want to be mad, be mad at the people that have never payed into the system, have kids they have no intention of taking financial responsibility for and could continue to cause small businesses to resist employing people until they see where the chips lie. I agree that all should pay in through the mandate, but, all these exceptions to the AFLCIO and other union organizations whos benefits would be worse if they fully participated is dirty, and wrong. The solution is government sponsored, BASIC health care that covers broken arms, colds, etc. If you want to have access to cancer treatment, a new heart, smoke if you want to , eat all you want etc. you should pay for the right to choose. Otherwise the government should tell you what you can eat, what you can drink, how much you can weigh, if you can rock climb, ban motorcycles etc. Do you really want that much intrusion into your life. Obama, in his omnipitance will become the answer through government deciding your life
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I think its important to learn how to spell omnipotence…
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I think “omnipitance” is a new word referring to the worth of the IOU’s incurred under Obama.
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I think it Oromney care should be repealed, what I get out of the supreme courts ruling is that if you don’t have health insurance you will be taxed. That doesn’t make much sense because most people that don’t have insurance don’t have very good jobs or alot of money ( yes this is sterotyping). And if this works out to be a mandatory health insurance coverage it is unconstitional. So I Think South Dakota Legislation should reintroduce the mandatory fire arm law, ( another type of health insurance) and the people that refuse shall be taxed in the same way and percentage like Oromney care or move to the communist state of Minnesota were they are all about handouts.
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The only kind reply to Scott and Leon is I beg you to please get better information because it appears you have no idea how the bill works and that I can guarantee that you’re lives will not be affected one bit by it…..not one.
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I very much understand how it works and I very much understand how health care works. Something needs to be done, the real problem is lack of responsibility for people regarding their own lives. @ the very least, we should be able to expect people to @ least pay for their own expenses in their own life. If you cant’t afford insurance on yourself, why would you expect someone to pay for it on your kids. If you can’t feed yourself, what right do you have to expect someone else to feed your kids, house them, clothe them etc. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the government is responsible for your choses. The bottom line is, if you want to continue to make your own choices to smoke, eat, do drugs etc, pay your own bills. If you want the government to be responsible for your existence. Then you can expect them to start telling you how many kids you can have, what foods you can eat, how much you can weigh etc. Do you really think it is worth it to give up all these freedoms so someone else can pay for your lack of responsibility?
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Is it me or are you missing a basic point of humanity? You say to take responsibility for your choices. If you can’t afford your own life don’t expect me to pay for it or your kids. You say it you can’t feed yourself what right do you have to expect me to pay to feed, house, clothe them.
So what would do? Are you one of those in the crowd that cheered when it was said to let them die? Do you feel no obligation to help your fellow man? Did you give to the tsunami victims? Hatian earthquake victims?
You do realize that there will ALWAYS be the poor and downtrodden. It is up to the have’s to help the have nots. Who will do it? Corporations? They look at the poor as cheap labor.
The goverment is not responsible for your (our) existentence. We are responsible and we are also the goverment. The Constitution is by the people, for the people.
Freedom is humanity.
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So let me get this straight. So since I have 2 jobs and my husband has 3 jobs so that we can provide a good life for our children, we are suposed to instead hand out our money that only we have worked for so that someone can sit at home and do nothing? If someone hasnt eaten and is hungrey and there is no support they WILL go out and find a job to feed themselfs. The problem is pride, to many people would rather sit home and do nothing and let the government (our tax money) pay for their food, housing, medical, ect. instead of getting a job that heaven for bid they may not like or it is to labor intensive. There is nothing wrong with giving a hand up there is a problem with giving a hand out. It has nothing to do with humanity. People need to take care of themselfs and stop relaying on the government to take care of them.
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I think it is you that are missing the point. Is it humane to continue to support a lifestyle that has no hope or future? You are correct in stating that poverty, misery, and the downtrodden will always be here. Under your philosophy you are correct. The humane thing to do is to help those that through no fault of their own, need some help to get out. Im all for that. But to continue with policies that prolong and propogate the failed policies of liberalism is insanity. I am angry at those people that are being helped through the social programs and throw that in our face. Instead of being grateful and acting responsibly, they have more children, develop more bad habits, enjoy and even more irisponsible lifestyle and expect more. I am one generation removed from poverty. I am thankful that this country allowed my grandparents the chance to come here and make a better life for their kids. The NEW poor expect, not only for them to be cared for, but expect to be able to pass that lifestyle on to their kids. Socialism means we all have the same lifestyle, our poor in this country are richer than most countries wealthy due to capitalism. Say what you want about it but it is capitalism that has made us great. Take away the incentive to be better and all this ‘government generosity’, goes away. Education is the great equalizer. It gives everybody equal opportunity to get ahead. My path was highschool, military, work. Do those three things and you can have whatever life you want. Worried about healthcare, get insurance, get disability insurance, get life insurance. Most cost less than a pack of cigarettes.
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Socialism isn’t all living the same….that’s communism. You’re getting you’re ism’s mixed up.
I’m glad you agree with the point of helping the poor (which was why Social Security was started…buy the way).
I don’t think the NEW poor EXPECT to be taken care of. This thread is about Ms. Noem in SD. Do you know a lot of poor taking advantage of the system? There will always be those that do but I do not believe there are a lot in SD……which also has THE poorest area in the U.S.
As far as failed liberal policies do you mean Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Civil Rights (including the fight for same sex rights). What failed policies do you mean.
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To prove the point…..when things went bad in 2008. How did you’re life change? Did you lose your job, benefits, anything?
I was laid off but was lucky enough to pick up something quickly until I was hired back at my old job. I was also lucky that my wife was not affected so we were fine with our health insurance. There were MILLIONS that were not so lucky. Where would they be?
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How is the Obama presidency working out for everybody? He had total control of the congress for 2 years. The results of his policies are being felt today. The last 2 years of Bush’s presidency where under a Democratic House and Senate. That has more to do with the cause of the recession than anyone gives them credit for. The president only approves the budget. He may have a version but it has to go through congress first. Bush certainly is responsible for a lot, but not all of the mess we were in. Obama has brought us down the road to Greece. How is that working out for us?
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Oh boy, where to start.
Did you forget the 2 wars still going on that the previous administration got us into? Do you remember the Patriot Act? Talk about losing freedoms and “big goverment”.
Yes the President submits a budget but he can also veto a budget. Bush also started the stimulus and bailouts (which HAD to be done..talk about taking responsability). Obama was stopped with HIS stimulus by a Republican Congress from going further with it which was a shame because it worked.
Be specific. What problem has he caused and don’t use the Health Care plan because if you check in the end it will reduce the deficit by over a trillion $.
Remember he wanted to regulate Wall Street and the Republicans stopped him and want MORE deregulations (because BIG BUSINESS can regulate itself). How’s that working out??
Please!!
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The first 2 years of his sorry presidency where with a SUPER Majority I believe. He owns this recession and the lack of any progress out of it. I believe Bush’s wars were approved by congress where Libya was not. I am not so concerned with Obama being our first black president as I am with him being our last president. Why people that claim racism is so aweful in this country keep harping on his color is beyond me. It simply should not matter and has nothing to do that he is hands down, the worst president this country has ever had. So, do you really feel his policies have improved things in this country? Adding 6 trillion to the debt with virtually no result? Economic recovery means we have more revenue and less expense. He believes hiring policeman, fireman, and teachers will get us out by his own words. Those people are important, but, are all drains on our economy. Unless we need more teachers to teach kids that are going untaught, it would all be a waste as I would assume there are no kids going untaught, building burning that a fire dept. can’t handle or people safety in jeopardy. All three of those jobs take our taxes and gives it to them for a job well done. But, it does not create anything that adds value to the Economy. Quality of life, yes. But they are not the same. T grow the economy, unemployment does need to go down, but, it is not the job that grows the economy, the job decreases the expense by taking someone on unemployment off the public dole. If it is a production job, meaning they are building something and selling it that is how to help the economy since you decreased the government expense and have created something of value. Growth in healthcare, is bad for the national economy as it is primarily an expense through Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare etc. but good for the local economies like Sioux Falls, and Mayo as it takes federal money and infuses into those local economies. It is further bad for the Federal economy as it extends the elderlies lives which means they receive SS benefits and continue on Medicare for longer. I would like to think that is good for our quality of life but bad for the National debt. It is simply the FACTS of the economy and nobody in Washington wants to talk facts because it is complicated and it doesn’t get your re-elected. It is sad that Obama and Romney are our only choices as none of them are working for us.
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I feel the need to drive this point home as it is the essence of the problem facing the economic debate. Example: you have 3 kids and you and your spouse want to go out for the night. You call your babysitter, and she says she can babysit. She has babysat for years and does a great job with your kids. She is a great person. You have no worries. However, you start thinking that she is so good with your kids, why not hire her twin sister as well. Now, does this help the economy. You could argue your kids now have a better ratio of babysitter to child and are therefore way better off. The problem is you are broke. Probably will have to borrow from the bank to pay the first babysitter and now you have two. Logic has to step in at some point and it isn’t just teachers, policeman, and firefighters, it is the IRS which just added like 75,000 jobs for Obamacare. That is 75,000 new government employees that will make an average of well over 50,0000 dollars per year plus benefits to include a far better retirement package than most of us have. It isn’t that the babysitters are bad, it is just that the one for sure isn’t needed and due to the state of the families economy, you could argue they should probably stay home. Obama doesn’t get this. Our kids are going to be skrewed if it isnt my generation first. The only way you can decrease expenses is social programs of Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Education, foreign charity, Infrastructure (how did that work out in Minnesota) and all the other people that are employed by the government in addition to the military. Fact is, if we are to weakened by cutting the military, nothing else will matter be it terrorism or invasion. Don’t Laugh, we aren’t the most popular country in the world. Raise taxes when most taxes are already paid for by the top10% and these are the folks that need the capital to get the unemployed and underemployed a job. Take away their capital and the recession is extended. What a dilema. Fact is, when you go to war do you stop feeding the people being protected or do you stop feeding the folks doing the fighting? You gotta feed the people paying for all of us to live here, that is the job creators need to be protected not for their sake but for ours. There is nothing for anybody if they fail. Thank you for your attention.
ps: I love this country and was willing to die for it, be nice if those that are getting a free ride and could give a little more of themselves by paying their own way, just take care of themselves and maybe get to where they can help pay for the teachers, the firemen, policemen, the roads, bridges that we all benefit from would be nice. Even patriotic. The answer isnt by taxing the rich, they don’t have enough, it has to be a joint effort.
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***sigh****oh boy!!
The babysitter story makes sense only to you. Though I will admit it is a situation that could only happen in goverment.
Your numbers….are you making them up? Can you give a site that you got them from? A real site, a news site or study? Not a blog or Fox.
Military…do you really think we have to spend more than the next 26 countries defense budget COMBINED!!
Stop, I’m begging you…don’t call them “the job creators”. The only place they create jobs is overseas. You do know that in the time that America became great, the “job creators” were taxed at the 90% level. They are at 35% now. How much is enough? You do know that when America became great it was illeagle to “create” jobs overseas. They HAD to do business here in the good ol’ U.S.A. but it wasn’t enough. The only reason we have a “global” economy is because the “job creators” have bought Congress. Your representative (Ms. Noem in this case) could care less what you or I think about anything. She will do what she is told by the people that bought her seat in Congress.
You seem like a nice thoughtful person. Why do vote against your own best interest?
Wise up, unless you are in the 1% there are very few, very few people in Congress that do what is best for the general public.When your vote is cast you have to be as selfish as Big Business and say to your self….how will this effect ME.
The health bill will not effect you at all.
If I’m wrong, we won’t know for 10 yrs…..and I will probably be gone by that time so all I can do is to tell the younger folks to wise up.
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