Supreme Court upholds key part of Obama health law
June 28, 2012 at 4:53 am in The Jamestown Sun
WASHINGTON (AP) The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the vast majority of President Barack Obama’s historic health care overhaul, including the hotly debated core requirement that virtually all Americans have health insurance. Continue Reading
I am glad that this law was upheld nearly in its entirety. North Dakotans should embrace such laws that we benefit greatly from. We have a lot to gain from this and to deny anyone health insurance opportunity is wrong, especially for a state that brags so much about having great and plentiful jobs – jobs that don’t provide benefits. I agree with the ruling on the Medicare provision – the law as it stood was good for older people on Medicare. Now, those older people, who, in polls, were largely against the law in general, will suffer more for their desire to deny others coverage. What goes around, comes around.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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The healthcare law has little to do with healthcare, but is simply a power grab for liberty. Liberty has been fought for, defended, and people have died for it, in this glorious nation. This law takes away your liberty, yours and mine. At last count as I read it, there are in excess of 20 taxes written into this bill. At least 16,000 new IRS agents have been hired to enforce this law, which states you will be penalized (or is it taxed?) if you do not buy something.
The passing of, and upholding of, this law is truly a sad day in American history.
The 4 dissenters to this SCOTUS decision are patriots and upheld their oathes to defend and preserve the Constitution of the greatest nation in history, by trying to preserve our individual liberties which are outlined in that great document as well as in the Declaration of Independence. The majority acted as progressives.
The progressives are utopians. The framers and founders were realists, liberty-loving and were willing to die for unalienable rights.
“Utopianism substitutes glorious predictions and unachievable promises for knowledge, science, and reason, while laying claim to them all. Yet there is nothing new in deception disguised as hope and nothing original in abstraction framed as progress. A heavenly society is said to be within reach if only the individual surrenders more of his liberty and being for the general good, meaning the good as prescribed by the state. If he refuses, he will be tormented and ultimately coerced into compliance, for conformity is essential. Indeed, nothing good can come of self-interest, which is condemned as morally indefensible and empty. Through persuasion, deceit, and coercion, the individual must be stripped of his identity and subordinated to the state. He must abandon his own ambitions for the ambitions of the state. He must become reliant on and fearful of the state. His first duty must be to the state – not family, community, and faith, all of which challenge the authority of the state. Once dispirited, the individual can be molded by the state with endless social experiments and lifestyle calibrations.” ~ from Ameritopia, Mark R. Levin
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sg,
Your argument leaves a question to beg regarding the penalty, or “tax” for not having health care. The way I see it, if you don’t have some form of health care (and can’t pay for it), I am penalized for it, or “taxed”, because my health care costs are higher due to your inability or unwillingness to pay. Under ACA, the cost of “you” receiving health care services is shifted from “us”, those who pay insurance costs, which are remarkably higher because hospitals and clinics know they will get paid, to “you”, who will pay regardless of whether they have insurance or because they are “taxed” for it. Everyone who wants to live needs to take care of themselves and shouldn’t expect anyone else to pay for it. If someone doesn’t want to pay for healthcare, then DON’T USE IT UNLESS YOU PLAN ON PAYING FOR IT. IT’S NOT FREE, FOR ANY ONE.
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The government has bankrupt social security and medicare so we are going to put healthcare in their hands. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
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Jim thank you for your posts. With you I completely agree.
David, thank you for your response to my post. I don’t see how I was arguing, just simply posting.
You brought up some points I would like to address. From your first post, I understand that you bought the idea that ACA is compassionate, and redistributing wealth is okay – which is what this law does. I do not find it compassionate, honest, nor American in any part.
The penalties or taxes that this law puts in place are confiscatory in nature, by design, I believe. Those who have no health insurance will be forced to buy some, whether that be on their dime, yours, or mine. Those who do have health insurance will be forced to pay for their own and for others. Now at last reading, a single person making $44,000 yearly or a family of 4 with gross income @ $88,000 yearly will be compensated at 80% towards their healthcare premiums. What will this do to our insurance costs? Do you think adding the 30 year olds who are currently uninsured will boost that share to insure a profit margin big enough that the insurance companies won’t continue to raise our rates? Do you think the insurance companies will absorb and not pass on to you and me the 20+ taxes that are contained in this bill?
My prediction? The insurance companies will go broke within the next few years. Why? Rates will continue to skyrocket as corporations, small businesses and those privately insured will find it undesirable and/or impossible to pay the rates, and the government will be the only option left to provide insurance. The government is broke.
This is a disaster, and it is why I posted above that it is a huge loss for those of us who do and those who do not have insurance. It is confiscatory not only regarding personal property (loss of monies earned from labor) but most importantly, a loss of liberty regarding choice and ceding that liberty to the government. The government, which as I see it, does only one thing of which I am truly proud. The military is outstanding. It is ironic in a way, that the servicemen and women are standing for a nation, a flag, that has seen so much, endured so much and they do not want it to slip away. I stand with them.
I truly love this country, I fail to see how ceding one’s liberty is something to be celebrated.
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Well sg. Couldn’t of said it better myself.
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