UND nickname supporters fighting on
June 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm in Grand Forks Herald
After state voters widely favored allowing UND to retire the Fighting Sioux nickname, nickname supporters filed documents to continue their legal efforts against the NCAA.
The Spirit Lake tribe’s Committee for Understanding and Respect has appealed last month’s decision by U.S. District Judge Ralph Erickson to dismiss its lawsuit against the NCAA, in which the tribe argued that Sioux people were inappropriately denied “a seat at the table” in negotiations over use of the name, among other issues. Continue Reading
Fruitless appeal beyond achieving some sort of affirmation for the committee, desperate for any consolation after suffering the results of Measure #4. The UND is not going to revert to using the name. The UND has the rights to use the name today, but it will not exercise that right. It has decided not to use the name. The name is retired. Good luck to the Spirit Lake committee in its appeal but it’s a matter only between the committee and the NCAA. The UND is not interested because it has moved on.
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alwayserect remember you railing on the Alumni acting to retire the name. Now you say UND is turning their backs on them because they did what they wanted? You want to hurt the University period. Either by keeping the name and be sanctioned or have the world turn its back on it. You are hoping for the UND to lose in either result. You are not friend of any party in this discussion. Except for yourself.
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If you’d read the NCAA’s response and the judges ruling, you’d know it was a very simple case and practically a tongue-lashing to Soderstrom. Any other attorney would be completely humiliated by the public flogging his case took. I suspect, None, that you actually did read it and, like almosterect, got nothing out of it. Great name, by the way.
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You guys WANTED the Vote of the people of North Dakota, and guess what YOU LOST!!! QUIT wasting TAX PAYERS money in the court systems for something you will NEVER EVER WIN NOW!!! Even if your court case win, the PEOPLE of North Dakota VOTED to RETIRE IT!!!
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I don’t know that anyone wanted the vote of the people of ND. We wanted the vote of the tribes involved. We wanted to hear their voices, the voices that are being silenced. It is hostile and abusive and disrespectful to the people really involved to not allow them to vote. The opinion of the people of the state means nothing. The opinion of the tribal members is what matters.
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Ditch the “cooling off” period. There will never be enough time to cool off on this subject and it gives people the dumb and dumber reasoning of “so you’re saying there’s a chance.” Change the nickname and move on, change it now. What about the cost, well I guess there is a lot of money in the State coffers and the people of ND voted to change it, sounds like using State money to pay for all the uniforms for every sport and getting rid of logos and paying for new ones should be a no brainer, use State money. I mean you’ve already been made separately special from every other College in the State on the Legisalure helping you and spending State money, why stop now.
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Agree with you Machoman about ditching the cooling off period. However, the uniform issue is a done deal. None of the current Sioux teams have uniforms with the name or logo on them. Most of the teams have been logo-free for several years.
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Yes! You’ve come to the bridge, crossed it, now burn it! While the “cool down” period may have seemed like a good idea in 2010, after all the prolonged drama, it is almost the exact opposite now….not picking a name could be generating heat because of the collective desire for this matter to be closed in its entirety. In light of the obsoleted clause in the law, at least form the name committee and make it look like something is being done. Two and a half years…..a waste of time! In the meantime, “Let’s Go, Sioux!” will be as vocalized as ever! And it will be at the end of 2014 as it is today given no alternative. What else are the fans going to shout when a rally is needed? What will the UND suggest? There is only one solution. Replace it. But that solution will have to wait and so will all of the already cooled-off people who want the name retired.
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To quote you alwayserect “Wow…that was sooo funny ….
Did you come up with that…or did you get help from a 5th grader?
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If we ignore it, will it just go away? The Phoenix will not rise from the ashes because there are too many people pouring water on the fire.
Enough already.
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For the love of God nickname supporters, PUT THE BONG DOWN!
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Funny? I think funny is the once pool full of nickname supporters is now down to about a 5 gallon pail.
I’ll be wearing my Sioux jersey to games until we are told otherwise. But like the 70% of us who voted yes, we understand that the change is necessary in order for us to be competitively relevant in academics and more so in athletics.
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They can’t stop anyone from wearing a Sioux jersey any more than they can stop someone from wearing a hideous Gopher jersey. This is still America and the NCAA may have control over what the teams can and can’t do but they dont have any control over what we as citizens can do.
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I agree, but as long as they leave UND out of it I say good luck; they will need it!
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Scotty you are totally wrong on the issue. They need to pick the bong up.
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“The people most affected by the issue were not asked how they felt about resolving it”. Umm, they were actually. And had 3 years to get a vote. If “they” cared about this, they would have got around to a vote. It might “not be going away in your mind”. But for those of us who care about the university, the ship has sailed. Hope you have a nice bank account for the defense fund. The state is done spending another dime on this mess. But hey, good luck with the campaign-and don’t let one of the big doors at the Ralph hit you as you exit the arena in protest.
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Anyway, I’ll honk and wave to you lads as you picket this injustice on campus
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Your post suggests that you are in the twilight zone. the folks who wanted to retire the name did not care if SR voted. They were asked to vote, if they wanted UND to keep the name. The absence of a vote or a “no” vote accomplished the same thing. The only people trying to make SR vote were the people that wanted to keep the logo. Of course, they partially got their wish with the state vote but Sioux county said “no”.
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How are they affected again? They lost the right to require UND to be named after them? Which a lot of them do not want anyway. After all they did start all this decades ago along with other tribes. Did they ever have that right to require UND to be named after them? Is that it?
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I you were a band member who believed the use of the name was racist, you were affected because those responsible stated quite openly their use was not racist and the only reason the nickname was proposed to be dropped was due to athletics concerns. You saw the polls that showed a monstrously huge majority of people thought there was no racism issue. Then you get to watch UND continue to sell Sioux gear, UND fans continue to wear it, UND fans continue to shout sioux chants…and so on.
If you were a band member who believed the name should have been retained, you watched as UND, the SBOHE, and the NCAA refused to ask you the bands how they might resolve the issue, watched as your bands were told they had to vote in order to retain it–watched the same trio ignore your traditions and ceremonies and refuse to claim you had any right at all to be a party to any solution or grievance….
And for both, the issue wasn’t setlled. The nickname vote was clearly and very openly decided on an athletics concern, and racism and your traditonal beliefs and ceremonies be damned.
No honor in that for either side. Neither side can claim a victory, neither side can move on and forward.
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What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
(I know this is a repeat, but so is the drivel alwayswrong keeps posting)
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No need to explain. In fact, I’d like to see your post about once a week.
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Toga Toga Toga I have heard they may even continue to have toga parties on and off campus. Some say they are going to put symbols on their Togas. Those people will not be able to have toga parties in their own home or go to any in Minnesota or Wisconsin. But they don’t care. So I agree. This is not over. Me I say I am not missing a Minnesota or Wisconsin Toga party for that. Ever been to a Minnesota Toga party? Enough said.
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The REA UND Shop will have the new men’s hockey jersey’s available in September.
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The UND nickname was used, at least recently, without racist motivation or intent. It is so ironic that a critical component of the serices of events that led to the retirement of the nickname was the racism of one white man. In 2005, when the NCAA implemented the rule against Native American imagery in member institutions, the president of the UND Alumni Asssociation, Earl Strinden was involved in strategy to retain the nickname. in regard to negotiating with the tribes, he was quoted as saying that, “We won’t give them one #!&#@# red cent”. What role do you think that man’s racism played in the retirement of the nickname? And so it goes…..
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