Candidate’s view: Let’s not rehash failed policies
May 29, 2012 at 7:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
Before I took office, Wisconsin was in the midst of a fiscal and economic crisis. In the three years leading up to the 2010 election, Wisconsin lost more than 150,000 jobs under the failed policies of former Gov. Doyle and a Democrat-led Legislature. We had a chronic, multibillion-dollar structural deficit, and the hardworking taxpayers of Wisconsin were saddled with one of the highest tax burdens in the nation.
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It’s OK to negotiate salaries. But future benefits have to be based on actuarial calculations which use employer and employee contributions and conservative estimates of investment returns. This Democrat agrees with Walker on that point.
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Rolf, it is currently illegal to negotiate saleries. Is also illegal if a district has a effective teacher to give more than a one year contract (not exactly free market). Also a district can no longer concider education or experience into a wage. Also a district can only give a COI (cost of inflation) raise based on the lowest salery in that district. So in essence it is a pay cut for most of the teachers year in and year out. Your right, they are paying more for their pensions by reducing everyones pay 20% and raising deductables for medical to $6,000. At least Gov Walker is telling everyone this time he will continue with more major cuts into education….er…excuse me, reforms. I am sure using the business model of low pay, mediocre and shinking benefits, along with low moral and a increasing hostle work envioment will bring the best and the brightest into teaching to enable th U.S. to compete on a world economy. That model has worked well the most Republican state Mississippi, it should also serve Wisconsin equally as well. While I don’t throwing money at a problem solves it. I also do not think randoms cuts to the people you kinda want to keep motivated is a great idea either. Granted, getting rid of bad teachers is a good idea, punishing and demonizing good teachers is not
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andy, your numbers are not correct. Are you ill-informed or dishonest?
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i like how he doesnt talk about how abolishing unions was part of his campaign pledge…..which is the whole reason for the recall. Instead he paints barrett as the guy who is holding the state hostage over union concessions…laughable indeed. He is a smart guy just wish he cared about the average worker as well as the average taxpayer.
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No one has yet explained as to why a public employee should earn more, and receive better benefits than a person performing the same job in the private sector. Those private sector tax payers are paying for those public sector perks. Elected officials are all too quick to cave into public union demands because they can always raise taxes to pay for them, whereas in the private sector, the income generated by the business is finite and only a portion of that income can be spent on wages and benefits. Most intelligent people realize this. Only the leftist representatives and their sycophantic adorers think otherwise.
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I mostly know about teachers and that is entirely untrue that they make more money. I work private sector and my medical is a tad better than a Wisconsin public employee. The only thing they have is a small pension but I get a 401k match while they do not have one at all. It is not even hard to look up. Average teacher salary in wisconsin with a masters is 46k.(Average start with a B.A. is 25k) Average salary for a private sector employee with a masters is 58k (. The class warfare card the Republican’s always are using about salaries people make is frustrating. Also if it is so great, why is there a 50% washout rate for new teachers in Wisconsin? If a private business had that kind of turnover, they would most likely be out of business due to constant training expenses and lack of experienced workers. Superior district in the last two years has lost almost 20% of their experienced teachers. How good where you at your job the first year or two? Once a new teacher starts their job, they realize how much it is not worth it and get a job in the private sector. Quit repeating made up or slanted stats from Rush. Reality does not back it up.
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Considering that a teaching degree is among the easiest to earn, and that teachers only work 8 months out of the years, most do pretty darn well for themselves. What they choose to do with their 4 months off is their own business, but they certainly can’t complain about their wages when you consider they work a 7 hour day for only 8 month a year. Under these conditions, a $40K per year salary roughly equals $33 per hour. Now consider that teachers in larger districts average closer to $60K per year and you start pushing 50 bucks per hour. Hardly poverty wages, don’t you think?
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Hugh, http://www.freeby50.com/2010/07/teacher-pay-vs-median-incomes-by-state.html….for salaries. What are you talking about with 8 months? Where the heck has my wife been going for ten months of the year? Also why is she doing CE classes and re-planning her classes during her “time-off”? 7 hours a day? Where is she the other 2? Also why is she bringing work home to do? She certainly has some explaining to do. But you are a person who has drank the Kool-aid and mind is made up. You are the perfect example of why no one should go into teaching. Not worth it. When you are wrong you play the “class warfare” card every time. So lets use you anger at those who earn an income. starting is Superior is $32,000. Medical is $7728. Pension benefits are $6,400 a year. Taxes, lets be nice $3,500 a year. That alone is $17,628. So that leaves you $14,372 (0r $552 a paycheck) to pay for your other bills (including your “easy degree” student loan.) You are right, teaches do have second and third jobs with their spare time. What source are you siting that a teaching degree is the “easiest” to get? Are you mistaken or just dishonest? But I am sure even though there currently is a 50% washout rate in the first 3 years means nothing. I agree with you Hugh, lets try it Mississippi’s way. Lets spend less on quality people. I am sure qualified people will continue to go into education. Even though China and India are ramping up education, America should not worry. The fact they are paying American teachers up to $80,000 to go over tax free and free lodging. Maybe I should agree we should vilify those with educations and call them “elitists” and vilify and not reward them. To end Hugh, what should some one who protects the economic security of the US get? Any benefits, or since they are “part-time” they should not receive any? I am so curious on your opinion how we should educate the next generation. You and Mr Walker might be on to something, vilify and lower pay will attract the best talent. Adam Smith knew nothing I guess.
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If private employers started paying all their employees minimum wage, should the government then follow suit, Hugh? Because that’s basically the argument you’re making.
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I guess there’s just no reasoning with a rock like ol’ mervy. ….think I’ll go out and seek some gov’t subsidized dental work, sans Novocain.
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Maybe he can use the Novocain on your head too… With all that stupid in your brain, it must hurt after a while.
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If the government pays better in certain jobs its because if they didnt the jobs would never be filled one would assume. Thats usually how wage rates are determined.
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and getting concessions and abolishing unions are two different things…he started with concessions but he wants them abolished all together.
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This is a part of Walker’s column that bothers me: “And I gave my word that I would treat the taxpayers’ money as my own.”
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Gov Walker is right Barrett as Gov would bring us back to the failed policies of Gov Doyle who did not run again as he knew he would be beat since he led WI to ruin. How fast the liberals of WI forget that.
As far as money goes Ben Seldom does folks mention the fact that when Walker was Exec for Milwaukee Co he have back part of his salary foe the first two years to help their budget. [quote]He continued returning $60,000 per year (slightly less than half of his salary) for several years, but by 2008, he reduced his give-back to $10,000 per year.[/quote] Not many politicians do that. I think the man is honest.
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Vote for huge deficits, waste and stagnation. Vote democrat.
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Brain, spending to spend is bad. Deficit spending is bad. Cutting just to cut and not using a brain about it is also bad. So should I say,” if you want action and cut spending without putting an ounce of thought into it even though it might do more harm and cost more in the end, vote Republican?”
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Nobody on the left will entertain the mere thought of cutting anything outside of protecting our own country. All they ever do say is “it can’t be done” and continue on their spending spree. The left has never seen a useless program it doesn’t like.
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Hey Scott. Here are just a few of the revelations from the past 72 hours:
* You have transferred another $100,000 into your criminal defense fund – for a grand total of $160,000. (1)
* An investigative report says that your secret emails with a top political adviser could directly link you to a bid-rigging scheme. (2)
* A 13th person, your former spokeswoman Fran McLaughlin, has been granted immunity in exchange for testimony. Your current spokesman, Cullen Werwie, already has immunity. (3)
* Criminal investigators raided the home and office of a second current member of your administration, state Medicaid director Brett Davis. (4)
(1) “Walker transfers $100,000 to legal defense fund,” Associated Press, May 30, 2012
(2) “Significance of email exchanges won’t be revealed for awhile,” Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, May 28, 2012
(3) “Ex-Walker spokeswoman given immunity in John Doe probe,” Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, May 31, 2012
(4) Wispolitics.com, May 31, 2012
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Walker~ “I have stood by my word and made good on these promises. We have helped businesses grow and, in the process, created more than 35,000 new jobs in Wisconsin.”
That’s not a misspeak, that’s not a misrepresentation, it’s a calculated and blatantly intentional lie to fool the public and hoodwink the Wisconsin people before the recall vote! Afterall, if we’ve learned nothing else the last ten years it’s how easily Republicans are to believe a lie when you say what they want to hear, correction, the last 40 years!.
Fact check~ Wisconsin was number one in nation last year in job losses and they’re currently dead last in job creation in nation. Every single state in the nation including Wisconsin has ALWAYS used the Dept. of Labor statistics as the standard measure of job creation. Ooops those numbers show Wisconsin as losing jobs and being dead last in nation in job creation. So I guess if you are up for a recall vote you switch and instead of using the DOL stats that have always been used and used by every state in nation and including Wisconsin until now so that there is a uniformed standard of measure, you just create your own method of measurement that changes the results to what the voters want to hear right before your recall vote by counting jobs that aren’t even in Wisconsin and take credit for creating them. Full details in link below.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/15/scott-walker-magically-turns-dismal-wisconsin-job-numbers-into-a-pre-election-miracle/
‘You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on” George W. Bush
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Fastone–You’re apparently not aware that there are two different measures: The monthly SURVEY numbers of which you speak, and the annual employment report produced using HARD DATA, aka FACTS.
So much for your claim of using only facts.
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Winner… Actually am not only aware there are two standards of standard measure I am aware your post is nothing but a twisted red herring misdirect based upon a falsehood you fabricated by claiming you know what I know (how trollish of you) and then used that nonsense to try to dismiss my post as not factual and that I don’t use facts.
Fact- I posted a link to article by Forbes that was well researched and thought very thorough supporting my post that proved when I said he was lying, I had proof of it and that he is. Fact- You got…well frankly, not a thing. You haven’t proven he isn’t, you just have a bunch of nonsense that you think plays as some dismissal of me and the facts and my proving he’s lying. Fact- FAIL. Fact- Everyone can see my post and yours in this thread and see what saying is true. You’re a victim of your own nonsense unless of course you can provide proof supporting not only that I didn’t know there were two standards of measurement but provide proof of how you knew that…I can support what I say in posts…can you? How about you just prove that the article I posted is false instead of making up nonsense in failied attempt to discredit me for posting it?
Yes Winner, there are two sets of measures and Walker is mixing and matching and combining what he wants from them to come up with the “Walker” set of numbers and is not using then ANY standard of uniformed measure just the one that he created to fool the Wisconsin voters before Tuesday. The BLS survey won’t verify even the numbers he’s cherry picked for his convenient press release until conveniently the end of month. Full details in link below, I just quoted the conclusion. Also, Politifact if search site has a month by month analysis of Walker and job creation and how what he says about job creation is usely false.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/may/24/scott-walker/gov-walker-says-wisconsin-has-added-33200-jobs-he-/
“Walker’s ad says there are 33,200 more jobs in Wisconsin since he took office.
To reach the number, he combined two data sets — one that involves unofficial (but generally more accurate) numbers that could change in the weeks after the election; the other is volatile, but still official monthly numbers. From an accounting standpoint this would be flagged as a mistake. From a political standpoint, he is mixing and matching to present the best possible view.
Walker presents it all as final and official, offering no cautionary notes or caveats — even though there are many.
And Walker credits his policies for the improvement, which overstates the impact a governor can make on broad economic trends in a short period of time.
There is clearly some truth to the numbers. But in mixing everything together and not making it clear these numbers are preliminary, Walker ignores critical facts that would give a different impression.
That is our definition for Mostly False.”
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“I’m not sure I want popular opinion on my side — I’ve noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.” …Bethania McKenstry
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Wonder if this will be done after the elections, or if there’s going to be another of those long, drawnout recounts ala MN? Or, five or six of them?
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