Assembly passes tougher abortion rules; Senate’s inaction called good news for wind-power industry; more briefs
March 16, 2012 at 4:50 am in RiverTowns.net
Wisconsin Legislature
The Assembly passed an education reform bill and tougher standards for abortion doctors Thursday night as the two-year session dragged toward an end. Both bills were sent to Gov. Scott Walker, and lawmakers worked on a host of other measures in a meeting that lasated through the night. Continue Reading
Abortion: 1 dead, 1 wounded.
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Alice has been villifying Walker all winter about not caring about health care for women. This bill requires a physical be given to women before undergoing a surgical procedure….hmmm, isn’t that good care?
And since about 70% of women (nationally) having abortions are economically challeged, this bill should ensure these women have health care that may catch early stages of some medical problem…isn’t that good, alice?
Or, is this another double standard?
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g s: > “about 70% of women (nationally) having abortions are economically challenged”
I’m glad you bring that up. So wouldn’t have been nice if the legislature, when requiring them to get physicals, had specified that all such mandatory physicals would be at no or very low cost, at least to low-income women? Especially since Gov. Walker has recently trimmed the Medicaid rolls? Otherwise it looks awfully like just imposing an extra cost, thus deliberately adding a financial hurdle to jump.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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well John, does abortion regulation state how much an abortion should cost? How can a low income woman without insurance afford an abortion?
“For patients not covered by insurance, a surgical abortion in a doctor’s office or a medical abortion at 10 weeks typically costs about $320 to $500. At 16 weeks, a surgical abortion costs about $500 to $700. At 20 weeks or later, a surgical abortion costs about $1,000 to $2,000 or more.
Most abortions — 88 percent — are obtained by week 13…”
(http://health.costhelper.com/abortion.html)
General web searching shows the cost of a physical (no insurance) to be $100 +, with cost increasing as blood tests, etc needed.
What I find confusing is the seemingly low cost for an abortion. I wonder why doctors, who have gotten the reputation of ordering unneeded tests to battle against lawsuits, feel comfortable performing a surgical procedure without apparently doing a physical. But don’t fret, IF Obamacare becomes law, everything will be hunky-dory and everyone will have “free” healthcare which eventually will become “free” public healthcare, and it’s just a step from mandated birth-control coverage to abortion.
And about your, “like just imposing an extra cost, thus deliberately adding a financial hurdle to jump” comment. How about we look at the cost imposed on poor and middle-class people with things like: Obamacare, CFLs, coal plant EPA regs, pending CO2 regs, etc? I don’t have to have an abortion to have my life negatively impacted.
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John, I’m glad you posted again, and I’ve gotta tell you I enjoy the back-and forth. What puzzles me is your attempt to set the rules by claiming I was trying to deflect the conversation, which I wasn’t but apparently did not make clear enough by starting the LAST paragragh with, “And about your”.
I had no idea how much a physical cost, much less an abortion. So to consider your opinion, I had to find out. And when I did, as I said, I was puzzled by the seemingly low cost of a surgical procedure.
Now, I’m old enough to have used the “what if” scenario for its analytical value, but it can also be used as a fear springboard. So in response to your what ifs, I’ll respond, what if a woman misses her period and decides not to wait four more weeks to be sure, but goes to the store and spends whatever (not looking up the cost) for a PG test kit? And by week 5-6 has made her decision, not prolonging her research into how to get an abortion and the cost…thereby giving her a little more time to address how to pay for it?
Now how to pay for a mandated physical prior to an abortion (assuming the person has no health insurance.) Some of my examples come from other mandated, non- health care issues, but could be applied to solve your concern.
1. The abortion provider absorbs the cost of new regulation, just like any other business.
2. The individual pays for it, or whatever portion the provider passes on. And oh so many examples of undesired regulations we each pay for.
3. Concerned people donate to Planned Parenthood/abortion clinic to help cover the cost.
4. Provide for a voluntary surcharge every time someone in the state sees a doctor. This could be modelled on the non-voluntary electric bill surcharge for the low-income program, or the non-voluntary phone/internet access charge partly used to provide free cell phones.
5. Abortion provider applies for grants from organizations.
A question for you. You are concerned about a low income women paying for added cost, but when I search for WI abortion clinics, the only one that turns up is in Appleton. How is a woman supposed to be able to pay to even get to an abortion clinic (if that truly is the only one in the state)?
These are just some quick thoughts, and I’ve addressed the allegation Walker is kicking every poor/elderly person off health care programs with Alice in the past and don’t have the time to do it with you.
What I have time for is a bit of curiousity. How does someone from the Milwaukee area end up posting on Rivertowns.net? I’m curious how you found this little Topics board up here in this part of the state.
Oh, one last thing. “..with all your expressed concern, aren’t (you) [sic] seeing the impact on what low-income women can afford?” As a woman with no health insurance, I can tell you a recent experience with shingles left me with almost $400 of unexpected, out-of-my-pocket, medical expense.
And I’m sensing from your comment you believe I’m anything but low income. Are you so sure of your presumption you’d like to bet on it?
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John,
Thanks for the internet search tips. And, I did check out your poster profile to learn if you are a WI resident, since I won’t waste my time discussing WI business with people from other states. I looked at the areavoices site, and still can’t figure out how you got to Rivertowns.net, but that’s a curiousity that will disappear as I go about my day.
Since I’m thankfully blessed with relatively good health, I went on webmd to learn what is covered in a physical. Again, my thought is: this seems to be a procedure that makes so much commen sense, why isn’t it a routine part of an abortion appointment?
(I’ll skip the details, but this is the article: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/annual-physical-examinations)
Unless a physical exam uncovers a reason for additional tests, I would think a woman’s health clinic/abortion clinic would be able to do a physical with blood count and urine test without the woman having to leave the office.
So, why legislate? This is from the linked article: “The physical exam is an essential part of any doctor’s visit. Surprisingly, though, there are no absolutes in a routine physical. A good doctor may be thorough or brief, according to his or her personal style and your individual circumstances.”
Maybe the legislators felt doctors needed to be told to give a thorough physical before a surgical procedure, and not to cut corners. (Perhaps the street corner doctors handing out sick excuses during the protests last year got the legislators wondering just how thoroughly doctors were treating woman in a stressful situation. Just wondering, as I haven’t discussed this with my elected pols.)
I think your commentary on abortion clinic protests falls into the pot meet kettle catagory. For over a year, the Madison protests have been great for the supporters, while indimidating non-supporters with foul language signs and chants, ignoring regulations, threatening people with bodily or property harm who are observing and recording the protests, disrupting speakers for permitted gatherings, defiantly ignoring the need to get a gathering permit, damaging property, and I forget what else. Part of my response to this is: the free speech I love so much in this country gets darn hard to tolerate when it involves words, phrases, messages I don’t like.
Re: “How is it, then, that you did not immediately think of the financial impact on other low-income women of the legislature’s adding a mandatory physical requirement *without* providing any payment assistance for those with low income and no insurance?”
How is it Gov Doyle and the Democrate legislature didn’t think about “providing any payment assistance for those with low income” when they changed the base auto insurance requirements for WI? At the time, I bought insurane that provided slightly more coverage than the state requirement because after a conversation with the agent and looking at my needs, we determined what was appropriate. Doyle’s legislation added $50-100/year…yet he didn’t seem to be worried about the economic impact. (And thankfully that legislation was reversed, what, a year later? But I will never get that $ back.)
Auto insurance isn’t abortion, but the cost of regulations can actually get one thinking about the libertarian plank of smaller government and fewer regulations, can’t it?
Re: “So you’re low-income. Sorry to hear it”
Why are you sorry to hear it? You don’t know me, know what experieces I’ve encountered in life…nothing… Are you trying to cast your, ‘oh look, a victim’ sympathy on me?
My parents taught us kids: life isn’t fair, get over it, get on with your own life, work hard, be honest. Well, life hasn’t “been fair”, and the parts outside my control I’ve gotten over. The parts I’m responsible for I deal with, as best I can…even the parts I never saw coming, because those experiences are the consequences of being a living, thinking human.
John, instead of being sorry, how about respecting the ability I have to make choices in my life that allow me to lead a simple, comfortable, mostly worry-free life? Walker’s budget reform took big worries out of my life while Obama and the dems are adding concerns each day with their new regulation pipeline that seems to hit my wallet hard. This has been enjoyable, have a good day.
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I’m beginning to find you a bit insincere, John.
re: “regional difference appears also to have made a conceptual difference in what we meant by “low income.” You have a car. Of course.”
I didn’t spend much time, but when looking at low income guidelines for different state programs, not one mentioned owning a vehicle was a disqualifier. But perhaps I missed something.
At to the Milwaukee Co Tranisit System (bus), the latest annual report (2010) reports 41% of the system funding comes from the state…ie, people outside the bus service area are helping to fund it. Does it stink to have to rely on bus transportation? Yes. I’m familiar with the routine, as my transportation choice was bus or bike when I was attending UW Madison and lived south of the beltline.
Through family experience I’m also familiar with the pre-planning needed for senior transportation in SE WI. But my relatives look at the inconvenience as a small price relative to the provision of the service. (I guess they feel blessed not to have to walk a mile to the store, which my grandma, who lived in northern WI, did well into her 80′s.)
If you feel people are so disenfranchised by cutbacks, why don’t you start your own private bus line to serve Waukesha companies, or take on the areas that have been cut back?
Re: “…canceling inspections and repairs of infrastructure; as he was running for governor, a concrete panel (that any inspection would have caught, as others later were caught) fell off a county parking garage onto two people, killing one.”
This is where I call b_s, as an engineering firm investigation stated the panels were improperly installed, which led to one falling off. Also, freeze-thaw cycles were identified as contributing to the fastener problem after other panels were looked at.
My question: why didn’t the final project inspection pick up the panels weren’t attached according to the design plan? This is from a JSOnline article about the family probably filing a lawsuit against the Co, and explains why the family is also naming the city: “Allan M. Foeckler, a lawyer who represents the Kellners, said Sunday that the city is named in the notice of injury “because it is our understanding city inspectors were involved during the construction process.” Walker had nothing to do with the city inspectors.
I can understand how you’d try to link Walker to this tragic incident, even now…that was a SEIU local 1 plan that was exposed by a talkative union employee who was fired by the union in Sept., 2010. Just another progressive lie designed for gullible people. Another Alinsky rule in action: repeat a lie often enough so people think it’s the truth.
Re: Milwaukee Co owes millions in back pay because of Walker’s actions. Okay, Walker made a mistake trying to fix a budget in a way that wasn’t legal and now restitution must be made. Now, tell me, Doyle also made a mistake stealing money from the private Patient Compensation Fund that Gov. Walker had to repay (court ordered) through his budget. Doyle also withheld $ owed in a reciprocity deal with MN…which Walker again had to cover in his budget. How are these two guys different? Both made mistakes, which I’m sure future co execs and govs will look at and realize where they can’t put their money-seeking fingers. I guess I missed the hysteria emanating from Dane Co when Doyle’s actions were taken.
And your “false economy” claim really marks you as a double-standard progressive. The AGW/climate change faux science (and I call it that because of the deletion of data that didn’t fit the models, the massaging of other data to fit the models, the refuting of the remaining “science” by a greater majority of other scientists…) has given us the false economy of solar panels, wind generators and electric vehicles. None of those industries can exist on their own merits…it takes government money, about 40% of it borrowed from China and others, to subsidize the manufacturing and entice people to buy the product.
Umm, Walker was re-elected Milwaukee Co exec in 2010…people must have liked what he was doing.
I will give you credit, John. You are a very good writer, and don’t need to copy articles to make a comment.
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g s: > “I’m beginning to find you a bit insincere, John. … If you feel people are so disenfranchised by cutbacks, why don’t you start your own private bus line to serve Waukesha companies, or take on the areas that have been cut back?”
That’s the sort of suggestion one very rich person sincerely makes to another.
Whereas, if I can’t get transport with someone else out of here (more than a mile from *sidewalks*, much further still the nearest bus stop), it’s on with the reflective hat & jacket & flashing lights, and down the edge of the highway against traffic, long odds I won’t get home till after dark.
Start my own private bus line? Sincerely? A cat would laugh.
> “This is where I call b_s, as an engineering firm investigation stated the panels were improperly installed, which led to one falling off. Also, freeze-thaw cycles were identified as contributing to the fastener problem after other panels were looked at.”
Well, yes, the failure had physical causes. Absence of inspection isn’t one. Had I suggested it was, you’d have been right to call b_s. But no, I merely suggested that inspection might have spotted the problem sometime *before* the panel fell off, say, during the eight years of freeze-thaw cycles that Scott Walker held office.
> “Walker had nothing to do with the city inspectors.”
No, Walker had to do with the *County* inspectors who normally would have inspected *County* property like this *County* parking garage, but whom he ordered to abstain from such inspections for eight years (of, as you noted, freeze-thaw cycles), allowing deterioration to go undetected. The *City* inspectors at the point of construction were there, I presume, for what City inspectors are usually there for: basic code approvals. The City had nothing to do with the design, or with subsequent maintenance. That was all the County’s responsibility as owner and operator. Nice idea by the plaintiff’s lawyer to get more pockets involved, but will the judge keep the City on as a defendant? I doubt it. When a residence collapses after years of the owner’s neglect, he can’t sue the City because the inspectors approved it at the time of construction.
> “I can understand how you’d try to link Walker to this tragic incident, even now…”
I can’t understand how you don’t. Not only was he the Chief Executive responsible for the property at the time and for the eight years leading up to the disaster, but he himself (not any subordinate) made the key decision to cancel all inspections and maintenance of infrastructure. Not to cut inspection in half and do it alternate years. Not to cut inspection into a third and do it every three years. But to do it not at all, and let things fall apart — which is just what happened. Canceling inspections is like driving with your eyes shut. You won’t see problems… but eventually you will run into one. That’s the linkage. Walker made that decision. And you don’t want him held responsible?
Tell me, g s. How do you feel about these ideas with regard to *anyone else* in Walker’s position? And then, with regard to Walker? ->
The Buck Stops Here. A True Leader Takes Responsibility for the Consequenses of His Own Decisions, and Does Not Shirk, Dodge, or Displace Them Onto Others. Don’t Be A Weasel. /// Conversely, Nonfeasance or Dereliction of Duty. Negligence or Neglect of Property Entrusted to One. Taking the Pay and Not Doing the Job….
http://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/featherbedding.html
“Featherbedding n [from the notion of making oneself comfortable through the receipt of excessive or unjustified compensation for little or no work]
“: the unfair labor practice of causing an employer to pay for services which are not performed….”
Ironically (all things considered) that’s usually thought of as a *union* dirty trick…
Walker hasn’t spent much time *in* Wisconsin lately, has he, or actually working *for* Wisconsin, as opposed to out of state fundraising? Was it last week or week before, he logged 158 “personal” hours? (168 hours = a week.)
> “Another Alinsky rule in action: repeat a lie often enough so people think it’s the truth.”
More widely attributed to Goebbels or Lenin. Doesn’t it violate Godwin’s Law to plug your personal enemies’ names into quotes by Axis officers? Besides being libel, that is?
> “repeat a lie often enough”
Like “Balanced The Budget” on TV ads to Wisconsin while concurrently certifying to DC that the deficit was *so* bad poor people had to be kicked off health insurance? (We couldn’t *possibly* cut the corporate tax rebates instead?)
Like “Without Raising Taxes” on those same TV ads — which is exactly what cutting the Earned Income Tax Credit and Homestead Tax Credit did? PolitiFact: “Walker and Republicans asked certain low-income working poor families, renters and homeowners to shoulder a little more of the state’s tax burden — about $69.8 million over two years.” This while giving those businesses “one of the biggest tax breaks in years.”
> “Now, tell me, Doyle also made a mistake….”
But Mommy, Little Timmy stole cookies from the candy store TOO! Oh then he should get
spankedrecalled too, shouldn’t he? Eh? What? He’s already out of office? Then that leaves only one miscreant to go, doesn’t it?> “And your “false economy” claim really marks you as a double-standard progressive.”
If you could show where I apply a double standard. But this begins to resemble a straw man.
> “The AGW/climate change faux science….”
Out of thin air, mind you. Listen, g s, I don’t much care whether you believe in Flat Earth, Hollow Earth, Ice Universe, Astrology, Numerology, Qabalah, Taoism, or the Little Green Frog at the Bottom of the Well. Just kindly *don’t* set me up as your straw man spokespan for or against, and then make assumptions about me based on that. I’d appreciate it. Thanks.
> “the false economy of solar panels, wind generators and electric vehicles.”
One of these things is not like the others; I’ll leave aside vehicles (motors). The thing about solar panels, wind generators, and geothermal turbines too, is — whatever you did pay for them — eventually you get back your investment, and more. The unit itself isn’t the critical issue; the unit is just a collector/converter of natural energy. The energy is going to keep on coming and coming, forever, as long as the sun shines or the wind blows or the core of the Earth is warm… which is much longer than anyone will be pumping oil.
Geothermal used to be thought pie-in-the-sky stuff too, but I notice it isn’t on your list here. So, we don’t have to argue *that* economy, do we? Good, because it’s been generating cities’ power in a lot of places for a while now.
> “Umm, Walker was re-elected Milwaukee Co exec in 2010…people must have liked what he was doing.”
Might be the case. Might have had a bit to do with how many Democrats (including the DNC) were given the *wrong election date* by Milwaukee County, though luckily that wasn’t given to the Republicans.
Might be one of the issues the “John Doe” investigation is looking into….
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“Tell me, g s. How do you feel about these ideas with regard to *anyone else* in Walker’s position? And then, with regard to Walker? ->”
I could ask you the same question, just change names/political parties. You know what’s funny John, I didn’t vote for Walker for governor in 2010. I’ve voted D all my life, except for Obama and that was because the plans behind the hope and change chants lacked believablitiy (if they could even be found).
But leave it to Obamacare and early language in the bill that created a prison sentance for people not having HI, and my attention was caught. The D’s wisely took the jail language out (wonder how they would have argued that before the SCOTUS????), but I paid a lot of attention, and called my Congressmen, A LOT.
Then along comes school budget problems, and my district giving out layoff notices. Walker steps in, deals with problems, angers PE union people whose golden apple of benefits gets bruised while they harrass the lawmakers who don’t flee the state, damage state property, disregard ethics by shutting down schools and handing out fake sick notes…and I’m supposed to feel empathy for those people?
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g s: > “You know what’s funny John, I didn’t vote for Walker for governor in 2010. I’ve voted D all my life, except for Obama….”
and then below you say: > “(But that’s how I was brought up by my Democrat parents; before the Democrat Party was infected with rampant progressivism.)”
You know what’s funny, g s, most people who’ve ever belonged to the Democratic Party know its proper name. It’s the people who’ve only ever listened to Glenn Beck and the like who’ve only ever heard it called the “Democrat Party.”
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“You know what’s funny, g s, most people who’ve ever belonged to the Democratic Party know its proper name. It’s the people who’ve only ever listened to Glenn Beck and the like who’ve only ever heard it called the “Democrat Party.””
good grief, John, apparently I insulted you with a misspelling. I said I’ve VOTED democrat, NEVER said I belong “to the party”.
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“That’s the sort of suggestion one very rich person sincerely makes to another”
You like to presume a lot John. It is also the suggestion of a person who understands she has to find ways to deal with problems without thinking government will solve the problem. (But that’s how I was brought up by my Democrat parents; before the Democrat Party was infected with rampant progressivism.)
And why not start your own transportation line? I met a person many years ago (15-20?) who was living in Eau Claire and was running hubby to the Msp/St Paul airport so many times a month she started thinking other people must be doing the same thing, and what a great business idea. It took her a year, but she got her business going and it must be profitable, because I still see the vans. Capitalism, it can be such a very good thing….
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g s: > “And why not start your own transportation line?”
You like to presume a lot, too, g s. Your example was scalable. You think *mine* is too? Let’s see, I hook a wagon on back, hope I can manage one, maybe two passengers, at what rate of speed, what range? Even assuming insurance, how many passengers d’you think will share my risk going down the edge of the highway against traffic, especially at dark? Is *this* business idea going to catch on all over the county?
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I wish you made sense, because I can’t figure out how hooking a wagon and driving on the shoulder has anything to do with anything. If you mean, you don’t drive and therefore cannot explore starting up transportation company…why not?
BTW, the person who runs from Eau Claire to MSP is engaged in interstate transportation, and has to meet those commercial and interstate regulations. With a 15-passenger van. Pulling a small enclosed trailer for luggage.
2 words / 1 concept for you to explore: business plan.
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g s: > “I wish you made sense, because I can’t figure out how hooking a wagon and driving on the shoulder has anything to do with anything.”
I’m at a loss to guess how you ever could have interpreted “it’s on with the reflective hat & jacket & flashing lights, and down the edge of the highway against traffic” — and again, “how many passengers d’you think will share my risk going down the edge of the highway against traffic” — as “driving on the shoulder.”
The words “against traffic” — used both times — should be a terrific hint there.
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g s: > “false economy of solar panels”
Of course you were also referring to the national economic cost of subsidizing the manufacture and sale. But that investment pays off too — since people make their money off their solar panels by selling power back to the power grid.
In both cases, you make an initial one-time expenditure (buy the unit / subsidize the unit). In both cases, you get continuous small paybacks. Eventually the initial cost is paid off; after that, everything’s profit.
From the buyer’s point of view, you wanted to cut down on the cost of electricity, even sell some back to WE Energies at slack time. Pay off the unit(s), that becomes a continuous income source. Gravy.
From WE’s point of view, they now have a new energy provider. The energy’s worth more than they’re paying for it, or they wouldn’t buy it. This was worth *their* subsidizing your purchase with grants or credits — a one-time expenditure resulting in a long-time energy source.
This to your mind is “false economy” on either side? or both?
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Great words, few numeric details. What’s the cost of solar electricity, with and without subsidy? Just how many hours of sun does WI average through the 4 seasons, John? (Are you aware snow, dirt, even bird poop on the panels is enough to negatively impact efficiency?)
You’re talking with someone who used to be a Sierra Club member and was gung-ho on solar, until the economics proved so ridiculous in this part of the state, it was nothing but a stupid idea. Passive solar has a definate place, and I see these new houses being built with garages on the south side of the house and wonder how stupid the owner can be not to take advantage of passive heat.
Just read about the tariff US et al are trying to put on Chinese solar panels, because, ya know, that was the reason Solyndra went belly up and screwed the US taxpayer, which will ultimately add to the cost too.
Solar’s so great, the Sierra Club is fighting against a solar farm in CA, strange world….
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g s: > “Great words, few numeric details.”
And here I thought the name “WE Energies” was enough of a hint.
[http://www.we-energies.com/business/energyeff/renewenergy.htm]
links to: [http://www.focusonenergy.com/]
Church using solar: [http://www.uumilwaukee.org/Photovotaic_System]
Live monitor: [http://siteapp.fatspaniel.net/siteapp/simpleView.jsf?&view=PV/standard/Simple&eid=511512]
> “I see these new houses being built with garages on the south side of the house and wonder how stupid the owner can be not to take advantage of passive heat.”
I wouldn’t want the warm car exhaust in my home’s rooms, but circulating between the inner and outer walls it might help keep the pests down. (Also in summer I could divert the passive heat elsewhere, i.e. to the outer air.)
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“I wouldn’t want the warm car exhaust in my home’s ‘
Ummm, I realize you are gung-ho on the money hole of active solar collection, but you don’t seem to have much of an idea of passive solar potentials.
BTW, remember you are commenting on a west central Topics. We don’t have WE energies over here, but the cities and major highways have Exel (formerly NSP) service, otherwise rural areas are serviced by Rural Electric Coops.
The main reason electric providers are investing in alternative wind/energy is the state regulatory demand that a % of electricity must be provided via renewables….want to mention that false economy again?
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chart showing comparison of solar power potential in the us.
Do you believe putting money to work where it can actaully make a profit, or do you just want to throw “free” money into ideas that sorta work?
“free” money isn’t free…in the words of Justice Kagan…wow, wow
http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/201.htm
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g s: > > “I wouldn’t want the warm car exhaust in my home’s…”
> “… you don’t seem to have much of an idea of passive solar potentials.”
I was referring to the drawback of a passively solar-heated garage’s air likely having car exhaust in it, at least from time to time — and the workaround being to circulate that air where it wouldn’t be breathed (by the family, at least), but the heat could still warm the house.
This was in response to the unfortunate design you described being in use.
My personal preference would be a shallow greenhouse garden on the south face of the house, not only to accept the heat but to process the light through photosynthesis into extra oxygen plus pleasant aromas, venting the warm extra-O air into the house through screened grilles at the top of the inner wall, and (in my own dream version) allowing bees access to the greenhouse from outside through unscreened grilles at the bottom of the outer windows/wall. The back/inner wall would be a “hanging garden” to take full advantage of the sunlight. Humble clover would be a notable part of the garden, not only for the bees, but to replenish the soil.
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This might interest g s and others who’ve been following this thread:
Richard Nixon’s former White House Counsel John Dean considers Governor Scott Walker, part 1 of 2. (Part 2 out on April 6.)
“A Fair Question” — http://verdict.justia.com/2012/03/23/a-fair-question
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Thanks for the laugh John, thinking I’m going to read a slam piece on Walker written by a man descriped in Wikipedia (search for John Dean) as:
“Dean is currently an author, columnist, and commentator on contemporary politics, strongly critical of conservatism and the Republican Party, and a registered Independent who supported the impeachment of President George W. Bush.[2]”
Gee, do you think Dean would apply his unbiased partisian opinion to Kathleen Falk’s deal with WEAC and other unions to hold the state budget hostage until Act 10 is repealed? …IF she is elected governor of course
http://mediatrackers.org/2012/02/08/commentary-falk-surrenders-to-union-demands-in-secret-meeting/
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John Dean is also the co-author (with Barry Goldwater Jr.) of Pure Goldwater (2008), Kindle edition linked here:
http://www.amazon.com/Pure-Goldwater-ebook/dp/B0015DYL7Y/
Goldwater Sr. of course was famously called “Mr. Conservative.” What he was not was radical/reactionary-right-wing, a faction that likes to adopt the “conservative” label nowadays. That particular Wikipedia writer apparently doesn’t know the difference. Dean is a conservative critic of the extreme right wing.
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Then you’d better challenge Wikipedia and straighten out the details on Dean.
I can’t afford a Kindle, and don’t buy books. If I want something, I try to get it through the library, wait for them to get it, and then try to do the pickup errand with other errands….it’s the gas prices, remember….but I also have to work around their limited hours/days.
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g s: > “Then you’d better challenge Wikipedia and straighten out the details….”
[koff] [mrfl] [guffaw]
Challenge and straighten out The Encyclopedia That Anyone* Can Edit™?
* (no matter how ill-acquainted with the topic, or how determinedly crackpotterish or blatantly agenda-driven?)
Oh, now there’s an Eternal Quest to undertake.
Ranks right up there with xkcd’s “Can’t sleep now; Someone Is Wrong On The Internet.”
http://xkcd.com/386/
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