Voter ID law ruled unconstitutional
March 12, 2012 at 11:03 am in River Falls Journal
Saying voter fraud is “no more poisonous to our democracy than voter suppression,” a Dane County judge today issued a permanent injunction against Wisconsin’s voter identification law.
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So essentially, anyone can vote anywhere. Ok…I guess that makes those progressives happy. Oh yeah, they believe in the “honor system”…seems to be working well for the union morons that have been double dipping in benefits.
Time to get some dead relatives “to the polls”.
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The time has come for Dane County to leave the state. They can start their own liberal utopia and all live in the fantasy land they call Madison. We’ll move the capital to Eau Claire or maybe Appleton and the rest of the state will be saved from these people. Enough already.
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We will have voter ID. Just wait, justice will prevail.
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This is a partisan maneuver by a liberal judge to overturn the decision of our duly elected legislature. The attempt is to once again, steal the recall election and the upcoming presidential election. Nothing more, nothing less. Judicial activism at its best. So how are the dems going to buy votes this time aroun? Will they try cigarettes again, tickets to a Bruce Springsteen concert, visa gift cards, maybe gas cards since the price of gas has doubled since Obama has been in office. They are SO obvious. Much of their base isn’t able to get a free govt issued ID, though they seem to figure out how to get lots of other free things from the govt. Makes no sense.
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and the Dane Co judge who issued the initial injunction, who signed a recall petition, isn’t playing party politics?
In the SCOTUS decision, Judge Stevens addressed the political issue and wrote that preventing fraud and inspiring voter confidence were legitimate goals of the law. Milwaukee Police investigation found fraud in the 2008 election (and if memory is correct, Democrats were the enablers.)
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Where did you get your info the 2008 voter irregularities were due to forgetfullness and errors by election officials?
5 million seems pretty cheap to fix a “nonexistent” problem…look at what the faked climate change “science” is costing us… pay your electric bill lately? And if you want to look at the challenges to the faux science: http://www.real-science.com/hansen-tampering-data-planet
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Kari, I note the source of the article, but I still read them, left or right leaning. I doubt a truly non-partisian, 100% honest, news source exists today, so skeptism is a valuable commodity. I did find a McIver (right leaning) voter fraud summary, dated 2010. while some election worker confusion did play a role, there were other deliberate voter fraud activities noted. so please, post your sources.
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Kari,
Without anyone proving who they are how do we know the level of fraud? You say it’s small and give a few examples, but might this be just the tip of the iceberg? Explain how anyone would be hurt by having to show an ID.
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Interesting how Kari is worried about how much money a needed voting policy costs, but could care less how much whiney, do-over elections cost or how much Unions are bilking from the private sector. The only thing you Democrats are consistent in doing is being inconsistent in your values. Hope everyone aborts an innocent child but make sure every killer lives a long comfortable life on the tax payers dime….Real Consistent!
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Kari,
I don’t know how you define “widespread”: 1%, 10% , 0.05% of total votes cast?
tell me, if an error occurs on your bank account, do you ignore it because it isn’t, “widespread”?
Does your boss, who you’ve posted in the past wouldn’t accept bookkeeping using both cash basis and accrual methods, accept a 0.05% error, especially if it results in an IRS penalty?
If you have kids, do you teach them telling a lie 1% of the time is perfectly acceptable behavior…but they soon learn since you don’t know EXACTLY how much they lie, then it’s ok to lie 5% of the time?
An example of voter fraud initiated BEFORE voting:
http://mediatrackers.org/2011/10/uncovered-three-out-of-state-seiu-activists-registered-to-vote-from-hotel/
(I think the 10 day residency requirement was changed to 30-day. And when people sign for voter registration, don’t they sign a legal document stating all information is true and correct…as in, yes I am a legal resident of WI?)
I’ve lived in this area for 30+ years, the election workers are my neighbors who know me. I love showing my drivers license, and it’s not about smaller government. It’s about being an honest citizen. Why do you spend so much time defending the one or two (from your point of view) dishonest voters?
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Kari,
“…the majority of fraud occurs outside the voting booth, yet nobody wants to look at ways to fix that problem. ”
How do you propose to fix the problem you see? Because right now, your position is: a little bit of cheating/lying is acceptable. (And I find human behavior fascinating in regards to shades of morality.) And yet about 70% of the legal US population wants voter ID. And an interesting point, even Mexico has national voter ID.
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Kari, it sounds like “simpler” to you might mean a national voter ID? And what, chip implant, retina scan or fingerprint to go along with a card?
“Disenfranchised voter” to describe voter ID laws is kind of a stretch of the definition of the phrase. When used as the libs use it then voter registration, voting hours, excluding felons and the mentally challenged (or whatever the PC term may be) all result in dienfranchised voters in this state. And even the obstacle of obtaining a free national voter id disenfranchises, if that is your simpler route.
The law struck down actually exempted certain classes of people of the state id requirement: elderly in nursing homes and assisted living is one group I remember.
Is it possible to consider adult US citizens have to take responsibility for their rights, and they may actually have to take a day to obtain a voter ID? What excuse is really being made when reports point out minority groups become “more disenfranchised” with voter ID requirements? These are people who find a way to live life, most these days with cell phones, so why don’t they get ID’s? Or is it just easier to scan a utility bill into a computer and alter the billing information so an illegal vote can be cast?
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I was trying to learn the date of the first voter law in WI, and after 10 pages of search gave up. But I did run across this summary list of national voter fraud, 1998-2008.
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
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What are you, the radical judges and the rest of the Democrats really saying Alice? Apparently you all think women and minorities are too stupid or lazy to obtain a free valid picture id. Why do you think these people aren’t smart enough to get the proper id? Alice, I think you’re a woman, were you capable of getting a valid id? If so, why don’t you think the others are as capable as you? If I was in one of the classes that you elitests think aren’t capable of obtaining a free id, I’d be extremely offended. Another post made a great point. The same people you don’t think are capable of obtaining a legal id are more than capable to receive other freebies like food stamps, welfare & birth control.
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Well this is going to be interesting as the US Supreme Court ruled Indiana’s voter ID is constitutional.
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How the heck does it make it harder to vote?? This bill allowed any legal citizen to go to a local office and attain a valid ID if they did not have one FREE of Charge. You have Months before the next election to get one.
If you can’t find the time between now and election day to get to a place to get a valid ID then how can we expect you to take the time to vote?
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Yeah.. We shouldn’t have to use ID’s for constitutional rights and we shouldn’t have to have our background checked. Like for buying guns. If you think you shouldn’t have to show an ID to vote you can not make a reasonable argument to show an ID for a firearm purchase.
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it took some research, but to clarify your, “This ruling relies on a long and strong line of WIsconsin Supreme Court decisions” actually means:
Act 23 (voter ID) was challenged on WI Constitutional grounds, where the IN voter ID was challenged on US Constitutional grounds. Apparently some research by a UW professor claiming 200,00+ people would be disenfranchised by voter ID was important in the judge’s ruling. But, it seems a copy of that study is hard to come by.
Well this will make the WI Supreme Court even more interesting. Wonder if all the judges can play nice….. (and a review of the investigation shows Prosser was not the instigator of the much-hyped, lib-named, “chokehold” incident.)
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Blogger Ann Althouse (UW-Mad city US Constitutional law prof) finally posted about the Niess injunction.
As usual, she gets to the legal point quickly (and with links) and notes in this case the injunction hinges on the “suffrage” section of the state constitution.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-shame-activist-dane-county-judges.html
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bac. the WI Attorney General has indicated the ruling will be appealed. I really suggest you visit the Althouse posting, as there are some interesting comments over there, for example from ‘George’:
“…Anyway, the WI law has classes of people who are to be excluded from elections. This is not in dispute. Once you create such classes you must then logically have a means of excluding those people at the polling place. For example, how would you tell the typical WI teacher from a mentally handicapped person or the local union members from felons? As you can see that would not be an easy task. The only effective means of doing so is to require an ID of some sort and obviously a photo ID is better for such purposes than the other sort. So the WI law can be said to not just allow, but rather require, an identification process. If you have such a process that is better than a photo ID I guess we could discuss it but I am not sure what it would be.
Now if you want to argue that the method of separating the classes itself creates a class then you are essentially arguing that there can be no classes of any sort as that would be the inevitable practical effect of eliminating the culling process.
3/14/12 8:42 AM”
and from Barry Sanders20:
“No consitiutional right is absolute. Even the “first freedoms” have accepted limitations, restrictions, and are subject to reasonable regulation. Speech has time, place, and manner restrictions, for example.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court, especially the liberal bloc, has a long and proud history of tying up constituional rights in state regulations. One example is its approval of “reasonable regulation” of guns in light of Article 1 Sec. 26: “The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation, or any other lawful purpose.” Shirley and her gang used the lowest-level of scrutiny and said that laws restricting and regulating this consititutional right need only be a “reasonable exercise of police power.” State v. Cole.
I think it is a proper exercise of the police power to establish minimum safeguards to ensure legitimate elections. And yet, when convenient, certain judges will ignore reasonable regulation of rights and take an absolutist approach if the ends justify the means.
3/14/12 1:26 PM”
(FYI, the freedom of speech restriction example is usually someone having the “right” to yell fire in a movie theater when no fire exists.) And yes, the MN fall election will be fun to watch if both right-to-work and voter id questions are on the ballot.
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This was taken from “We are Wisconsin” website, which linked it from the Daily KOS website. Both are ULTRA liberal, so I’m sure they have no axe to grind or have any alterior motives. Wonder why they only included the 19 second clip, and didn’t post the whole video.
Hmmmmm……
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I think a warm place just froze over…I agree with Alice!!!
“The man is truly amazing.”
Yes he is, a politician obviously not interested in being a career politician…like Kind, Kohl, Thompson or possible challenger Falk (the handpicked WEAC choice who’s promised to hold the state budget hostage to get PE collective bargaining repealed.) No wonder Walker has the courage to deal with budget problems.
And just think, he doesn’t have a college degree, yet he knows he can get a good paying job….now that’s what all that self-esteem, participation trophies training can do in a person with natural drive and motivation. good for you Scotty. Glad to see you’re seeing the light Alice.
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What’s the full quote and context Alice? For some reason, I think the WI Dems snipped clip that DU, Kos and other left-wing sites grabbed probably doesn’t provide an accurate portrayal of what was said.
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