Ronald Fischer, Grand Forks, column: Sexual revolution changed U.S. for the worse
March 8, 2012 at 6:05 pm in Grand Forks Herald
Take a look at the viral proliferation of pornography since the onset of the sexual revolution, and you will see just one of many examples of how rampant the degradation of women has become. Continue Reading
I am disturbed that there is a very vocal group of people in this country that want to be governed by religious ideology. The Christian conservatives in this country are the first to point out how countries like Iran are horrible because they are governed by Muslim Sharia Law, but in the same breath, complain that they are not being governed by Christian law. Religion is a beautiful thing. You want to eat the flesh of your savior and drink his blood, go for it. You want to bow before another person in a robe and funny hat and kiss his ring, whatever floats your boat. You want to pray to an idol, I don’t care. Freedom of religion in this country is one of the tenants of this country that makes the U.S. awesome. But there needs to be freedom from your religion, and the extremists can’t get that through their heads.
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You keep saying that religous organizations will be “forced”, but that is simply not true. There is a religous exemption and for you to characterize that as smoke and mirrors is flatly inaccurate.
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I disagree. When certain religeous groups were prohibited by their faith from fighting in combat they were given exemptions from that combat. Exemptions for religeous reasons have been given for decades and there isn’t anything unconstitutional about it.
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realist sorry I was not clear. the exemption is not unconstitutional and I did not intend my statment to mean that. I mean the requirement that religious organizations to purchase birth control for employee against their religion is.
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Glen, it’s still not true no matter how many times you say it. They will not be forced.
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Thankfully we have men like Mr. Fischer who can tell me what to do with my body….such decision-making makes my head spin….
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Oddly no one complains about the fact that my husband can get Viagra covered on our health insurance….
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The scary part of all of this is that as of now, all the GOP presidential candidates buy this line of reasoning. We need to keep these extremists from power.
I’m actually old enough to remember what is was like before contraception. “Sex without consequences” rather than make society better, made married people cry with frustration becaue they couldn’t have a normal sex life knowing that they just couldn’t afford another child. Women, instead of being uplifted by this would turn their backs to their husbands and the old joke, “I’ve got a headache” became one way, sometimes the only way, for women to keep from getting pregnant. Women who worked got fired from their jobs if they got pregnant. That was routine and many women just quit when they learned they were going to have another baby. The idea of going back to the bad old days of no contraception is outrageously absurd and will surely mark the death of the GOP as we know it.
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Actually, they are. All of the GOP presidential candidates signed on to support the Blunt Ammendment which would have made many hormonally-based contraceptives illegal. So, yes, in fact, they are.
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Realist, back up your assertion that the Blunt amendment would have made hormonally-based contraceptives illegal, and provide the source. My sources say otherwise.
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Thank you for catching this, Tim. It’s the Personhood legislation that all of the GOP’ers have signed off on. My point stands, but I plead a senior moment.
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Update: Romney said yesterday that it would be a priority for him to get rid of Planned Parenthood, the organization where 96% of their business is women’s reproductive health care including pap smears, breast exams and birth control, especially for women without insurance.
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Ultimately women will suffer. Many of these organizations had btw insurance policies that did cover birth control….the issue has come up as the ‘shiny object’ to detract from support for Obama. By the same logic that is being used to deny women this coverage (I can’t imagine many Catholics actually do subscribe to church views on contraception nowadays anyway), that logic could be applied to deny viagra in instances where it won’t be used for the ultimate purpose of procreation (so any men having sex with a woman ‘past her prime’ should be denied), and certainly could not be used to support fertility treatments that are ‘unnatural’…..
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It’s also important to keep in mind that birth control pills are also prescribed for a number of other medical issues – not just to avoid unwanted pregnancy. How do these other medical issues (including decreasing the risk of ovarian cancer) violate Catholic teachings?
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“and will surely mark the death of the GOP as we know it.”
We can hope and pray. Reforming the GOP would be long overdue and tremendously needed.
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As I have read your narrow minded posts for quite some time, I understand you are a former member of the U.S. military, as so am I. Your insurance plan gave out the FREE condoms out at the clinic and FREE birth control pills out to your our spouses, or the FREE birth control pills or the FREE birth control implant or the FREE vasectemy, etc, etc, etc… Who do you think paid for that?
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Completely ignored in this debate is the fact that contraceptives are prescribed for a number of medical issues other than trying to avoid pregnancy. Not sure how coverage of a prescription for these medical issues (including decreasing ovarian cancer) is at odds with the Catholic church…..
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Oh such fun! Attorney Fischer and his best fan Glen treat the COTUS like they treat the bible — they cherry pick the bits they agree with and ignore the problematic bits!
Mr. Fischer, as an attorney you should be embarrassed at your ignorance (or is it dishonesty) of the 1st Ammendment. Did you notice that there are TWO religious clauses? When you have digested that, have you noticed that the religion-affiliated institutions wailing about “religious freedom” are taking billions of taxpayer money to run their businesses? Catholic-affiliated hospitals in the USA took $46 billion last time I saw the figures published. All they have to do is give up taking OUR money and they can have all the religious freedom they want!
As for pornography — have you noticed that porn use is highest in the most religious areas of the USA? Bible thumpers like you always seem to be obsessed with sex. Are you trying to project your shame on the rest of us?
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Ronald Fischer, you are free to stop having sex recreationally. I suggest that you do so.
“Sex without consequences” means that men get to have all the sex and women get to have all the consequences. My fellow women, it is time to stop getting into bed with these idiots. They need you — that is, unless they want to play with Mr. Hand for the rest of their lives. You do not need them.
Contraception prevents abortions. If I have access to contraception and if my contraception works, I will never seek an abortion. But some of the most vigorous opponents of contraception, as we see here, are “pro-lifers.” For a pro-life person to espouse a war on contraception is hypocritical, and based on the fear that a woman somewhere is enjoying a consequence-free sex life.
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You got it for free while in the military.
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Sounds like a regular customer for the Plain Brown Wrapper!
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Mr. Fischer utterly fails to explain valid relationships with the many issues he mentioned: sexual revolution, contraception, abortion, pornography, gay marriage, catholicism, morality, liberalism, etc., etc. His often used adjective, “liberal”, belies his ultra-conservative, papist viewpoint. The most prolific symptom of this mental illness is the inability of men to accept contraception as a health (not moral) issue. It is so absurd that so many men can stand on their soapboxes and judge women for their health choices while never holding the man responsible for his part in the conception issue! Despite anti-science ideology, it does take BOTH man and woman to conceive. Until men are held accountable, get some psychological counseling (not from your priest) before getting up on the soapbox. By the way, is there any particular reason that he is so familiar with the widespread use of pornography? “My, thou dot protest too much”. And so it goes…..
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Hey pops….The so called “sexual Revolution” wasn’t really a revolution….Men had sexual freedom as much as they dared if the situation arised….This was especially shown when troops were stationed in parts of the world where women’s sexuality wasn’t as suppresed as in America. What the so called “Revolution” actually did was allow woman to be on the same playing field as men……And we all know just how horrible it is for any religious fundalmentalist should women get the same rights as men. Once women could engage in sex having the something akin to the “Scarlette Letter” tagged on them, then the fundalmentalist also lost control over the men who also thought sex was a natural act that wasn’t all that evil…..For you fundalmentalists…This is a control issue plain and simple….This article just screams control throughout…..What is it with the right wanting to take a huge step back to the 50′s all the time while the majority of us reall like moving foreward in the 21st century? You can join us you know…You just have shake off a bit of dogma and step right up….
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All this sex talk is making me blush.
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No need to blush, tj.
Oh, that’s right, you weren’t around in the ’70′s and 80′s when men and women were free to discuss sexuality openly, were you? It was a time when people weren’t repressed about sex, and actually enjoyed it without worry.
It wasn’t until the scares of the AIDS and herpes and all the STD’s were thrown at us by the media that sex was thrown back in the closet.
I still wonder if that wasn’t just another media thing.
Whatever, I enjoyed the hell out of it!
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You make me smile bac…I was just reminded of the time some woman asked you what you would do if you were walking out of a strip club and your parents happened to drive by. Your reply was classic.
By the way…my dad told me if I play my new Lynyrd Skynyrd CD on the stereo in the resort bar one more time he is going to hide it from me. Thanks for the tip…old and I do mean old…friend.
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Aw, shoot…glad ya liked it.
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Well, this might be a bit extreme, and is definitely NOT for kids, but it do seem to fit the topic…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiaHbpaYbPI
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Thank you for the education bac. I have a feeling I would get into trouble hanging around with you. Now excuse me…I need to go wash my hands and pray for a while.
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As a member of the military, the U.S. tax payers already had paid for yours.
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http://www.grandforkslaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/ronald_fischer.jpg
’nuff said.
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There should be consequences for having sex? Should we sew big red A’s on womens clothing? What should the men who have sex get? Maybe thier crotches should be spray painted red so we all know who they are. Maybe we should give them all the pox. Maybe jail time. Maybe kick them out of the church. Maybe send them to camps to keep them from the rest of the population. Maybe they should be sterilized. Enough about punishment!
Maybe its none of your business who is having sex and that people should be given thier privacy to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness as defined by our constitution.
Maybe busy bodies who try to control others should be punished. They could be punished for violating the constitution. Maybe there should be consequences for preventing others from doing what is in our constitution. Maybe people should judge others less and judge themselves. Maybe people should stop imposing thier will on others. Maybe we would all be happier.
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Relax, the only birth control you’re going to be paying for is your own. We all spend our money for whatever health insurance we have and that’s not going to change. Boy, this issue is getting all bolluxed up with stuff that’s not even relevant.
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Awww, cap, anyone who had ever read any of your posts know that you are the least likely to need any form of birth control.
(just keepin’ yer hand dry don’t count)
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Does too!
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Well Cap…I still have faith in you…I know some day you’ll wake up and wonder, “What the hell was I thinking to agree with those loony toons on the right.” Then again……It’d be just plain boring if we all started to agree with each other…….
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I dont always agree with the guys on the right.
I have actually voted Democrat and Republican on the same ballot.
I tend to follow the people that fit closest with my beliefs.
and believe me, as much as the Democrats endless social programs irritate me, the GOP’s insistance to meddle in others affairs tweaks me just as much.
Thats why Obama really bugs me, he is the worst of both sides.
I’ll take a Democrat that gets the budget balanced as quicly as i would a Conservative Republican that demands personal responsibility.
Since i’m obviously dreaming though…… I suppose i should go hop on my Unicorn and cruise on over to the Tooth Fairys house now.
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Imagine a world where those with resources and wealth have convinced the rest of us that public education must be stopped, science is wrong, sex without reproduction is immoral, taxing those that can most afford it is counterproductive, that government must be reduced to nothing despite the multitude of ways we all benefit, that women do not have equal rights, that white men fear those of other races, that 90% of us must give all our resources to the remaining 10%, etc., etc. To believe that any other way is wrong, immoral or evil is the greatest betrayal of those who know. Oppose, fight, argue, contest, debate, insult, hate and despise each other so we don’t have to come to terms with the community we have created. It is a bitter pill to swallow. Many of us will die without ever realizing the true effect of our actions and intentions. Perhaps ignorance truly is bliss. And so it goes…..
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Welcome to the Republican Party as it exists today. Sad, sad, sad….
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