by Duluth News Tribune
March 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
The Duluth school district says unsold properties are creating a cash flow problem in the pay-as-you-go facilities project. Continue Reading
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Go figure! Didn’t do your homework well enough did cha! Johnson Control didn’t reflect upon the school board about the cost of construction goods going up EACH year?? And oh yeah, did cha not recognize the housing slump everyone had been in for about the last 3 years? Selling houses is a CHORE these days, but did any of you listen or even ask the public to vote on this insane plan? NO! So where’s your fearless leader now? The hair brain who thought of this ridiculously insane Puke plan! Way to educate our children! WTG Art Johnson! Knew I voted for you for a reason! Keep up the good work!
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Let us take our hard lesson learned and apply it to all levels of elected government when voting. For it is the same message – sometimes hidden, it is the same ideology – sometime not fully understood and it is the same devastating result when you entrust Liberals with your money.
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I live by the new Lester Park school, and I only know of one house nearby that has a for sale sign on it, and that house is not listed in the city tax rolls as being owned by the school board. If they are being aggressive about selling the houses, then maybe they should let people know the houses are for sale. What are the addresses of these houses? I bet a lot of families with young children would be happy to buy a house near schools.
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So just because you can’t figure out where the houses that are for sale are, then they must not be being aggressive enough in trying to sell them? I would think listing a house with a Realtor and on the MLS is aggressive.
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It just is not a lack of a sign. I made the comment because I am a potential buyer working with a realtor and check the MLS in Lakeside and Congdon almost every day. If you chcek the MLS for the Duluth area, it shows only one house for sale near the school. It is not likely that is the house. It is not adjacent to the school in any way, it is not owned by the district according to city tax rolls, and has houses on either side. So if there are not other houses for sale near Lester Park school that show on the MLS and there are not any visible “for sale” signs, potential buyers might have a hard time knowing about this house the district is having a hard time selling.
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Agreed, but I wonder out loud if the district may hold off on some of the sales for the simple reason of current low property/building values. Perhaps instead of fire-saling the properties now at a historical low, the district will actually take the more prudent course and hold off and let the market rebound some.
Although while dealing with ISD#709 it may just be ignorance or arrogance.
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No. Once the taxpayer is on the hook for the entire Red Ink plan, THEN the screwel board will sell the properties. The screwel board will then consider the proceeds to be “found money” and will pi** it away immediately on raises for staff and even more frills. The taxpayers will never see any benefit from the sale of any of the properties.
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We’ve got Johnson Controls and Dixon to thank for this. JCI has already moved Dixon to his new assignment.
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Lakeview Christian Academy showed interest in purchasing the old Central high school/secondary technical center, but the Duluth School won’t consider it out of fear of competition. Makes no sense to me.
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Lakeview Christian said they were interested, but wouldn’t be able to swing such a large property on their own… in other words maybe they just wanted some free publicity.
Look LCA can’t afford it.
The Duluth school board didn’t turn anything down for fear of competition because there was nothing to turn down.
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The Duluth School District won’t even entertain the idea of another school buying old Central (LCA or any other school). There is a clause specifically denying them to sell it to another educational facility. So here we have a perfectly good school that could be used for that very purpose, but they’d rather see it torn down. That to me reeks of fear.
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Do you have any proof that LCA “can’t afford it.”
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Just quoting them Nesso boy. Pay the $2.95 for the archived article
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Who are you quoting. That is why you need to back up your claim. And why would I spend 3 bucks for an article in the daily liberal paper.
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Because that is where the quote is.
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I thought I already said that. What is so hard to understand? I remember reading that LCA was “interested” in the property if they could partner up with someone because the place was too much for them alone
I would have thought the Red Plan should have saved a bundle on construction costs in this economy over the last few years???? And wasn’t the purchase of the homes no longer needed already figured in the price of the plan??
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The price of materials keeps getting higher so I would think you’re wrong.
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While we are asking for more money I know of a few other people that have not been able to sell their homes. How bout it guys? Wanna help them out too? It would only be another few hundred thousand dollars or so.
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No I don’t want to help them
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Consider this when your government tries to tell you there’s no inflation.
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WOW, imagine that , so hope you have deep pockets red plan voters, enjoy the new schools you cant afford, when reason should have told you the red plan was a smoke and mirror deal, now we all have to pay.
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Smoke and mirrors. Is it really that unusual for a large multi-year project like this to run over budget; public or private? I would guess this one ran over less than the average if such a statistic is available.
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I’m wondering how much we pay each year to maintain, light and heat the “Central Administration” building on Lake avenue and is this necessary? I know every school building in this city has a space for a few offices and plenty of storage for supplies. the huge ‘white elephant’ downtown is a total waste of taxpayer money, it should be sold for a buck and the functions being housed there should be moved to the schools around town; every board meeting should be help at a different school each week so that the parents, teachers, taxpayers can more easily attend to take the ‘cloak’ off the clandestine gatherings!
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Regardless of what use it’s put to, old Central is the jewel of the city. If it’s ever torn down you may as well pack up the town and abandon it.
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Agreed David, whether the school district maintains ownership of the building or not, tearing it down or drastically changing its appearance would be criminal…might as well dismantle the aerial lift bridge too.
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Thank you David. I bet abomination would be ok with a pull barn somewhere for scholl admin.
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For the past few years I’ve been pointing out the screwel boards raging incompetence. Now I believe I have to add outright insanity to their faults!!! It is truly time for either a mass resignation of the incompetent screwel board, or a recall election. How much longer can the taxpayers put up with the insanity being demonstrated daily by the screwel board?
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The sad thing is nothing will happen, and the same people who are screwing the taxpayers and the students are going to stay in power.
Just look at the situation that the Burnsville school district is in.
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What a complete and utter mess these people have made of our school district! Nothing will change unless Duluth votes most of these self serving board members out on their ears.
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How do the two elementary school renovations go from 20 million to 35 million? Are they tearing down both schools and building new ones? Construction costs have been flat since the great recession hit. They have been able to execute the red plan at a time when all of these contractors and suppliers are hungry for work. Shouldn’t they have been able to at least be on budget or a little below? How can they say costs have gone up? What a great move buying houses up when the market was decent and now try to sell them off at a loss. The cost overrun was 15 million and now 19 million and who knows what the final tally will be. Good luck trying to pass another levy!
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You can bet the total incompetence of the screwel board, the overall fiscal mismanagement and the total insanity of the Red Ink plan will be brought up whenever the screwel board asks for any levy for the next several years. Fiscal mismangement such as we are witnessing is even beyond insane…it is criminal. The taxpayers will not forget.
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No surprizes here, a foolish plan led by foolish people!
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Yeah we should have just continued to educate our kids in crumbling buildings
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Central was “crumbling?” Really?
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racer x – there were not “asbestos issues” at Central – those were taken care of years ago at a big cost to taxpayers. But there certainly were asbestos issues at several of the other schools they chose to keep and remodel. Namely Denfeld, and the old East and I suspect many of the others. Central was closed and a For Sale sign hung on it simply because it was the most valuable land – and it was even more valuable used as a school because as taxpayers we are still paying for the improved tennis courts, football and baseball fields, and the remodeled STC. But hey, it’s only taxpayer money – let it sit mothballed until some big investor can afford it – meanwhile the Board continues to spend more and more money trying to make square pegs fit into round holes by cramming more students in schools with inadequate green space and neighborhood buffers -
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Nesso ma boy
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Wow, just joined this conversation and you have an answer for everything don’t you? Still supportive of this mess of a Red Plan Racer X? The whole “crumbling buildings” was just another lie to sell this plan to the community. Yes, there were a couple buildings that needed big repairs or replacement. But a complete overhaul of every building? Building brand new instead of using some of what we already own and is paid for is quite simply a waste of taxpayer money. Tearing up fields that the public is still paying for. All of these closed schools are/were worth more used as schools then they will be on the market -
I think Mr. X must work for Johnson Controls.
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Or the ISD709/DFL payroll
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No need for maintenance
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An interesting couple of items people might want to look up on the ISD 709 website. But look fast before they pull it down!! Find the long range facilities page on the district website. On the upper left corner of that page they have news and document archive tab. Go there and scroll down to progress reports…then look at the summer 2010 and fall 2010 progress reports. The fall 2010 report states that the red plan is 90 percent underway and on time and on budget. Really? That was just 18 short months ago! This gets better…Then look at the summer 2010 report. I love the heading..”A favorable economy allowed the district to provide more value for students and taxpayers”. Then goes on to list where they were going to spend all the savings due to the economy. Oh …the best part…”Thanks to a favorable economic climate for construction work and sound management of contracts, the District has made these changes with no overall impact on the project budget”. What happened???
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Will the train stop at any of the beautiful, new schools?
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Shame on Duluth voters for electing a Board chosen for their utter incompetence. Running wild again & again with our tax dollars evidences a true dereliction of their duties.
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But at least Duluth East got their outdoor stadium.
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Maybe if we warn other districts/ projects JCI is going to be involved in and point them to these articles, maybe just maybe JCI could find some savings real fast
Sure glad I don’t live in Daloot!
Got enough troubles with Douglass county! (MN)
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Did you read that article carefully? They want more money because they didn’t sell the Secondary Tech. building and some houses….What happens after they get their money?…THEN, they will sell the properties and keep the money from them also. If the state is gong to bail them out, then the buildings should become the property of the State, not the school district. If you take the taxpayer’s money for that reason, then the property should belong to the taxpayers.
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The ISD 709 Admin and the Board seem to be like kids in a candy store! The moment they are able to sell these properties….IF they can break even ( doubtful )….the money will again…..be needed…”.urgently”……on something else…they WILL spend it ( any bets on this? )…..and will NOT be applying the proceeds as a credit on existing Red Plan debt! I had said in many posts a few years ago….this Red Plan is going to be a complete money pit…..the way they set this whole thing up…..under the guise of “segregation” and the Mn law stating Duluth as a 1st class city…..opening them up to “doing an end around” run…..bypassing a vote! This whole thing smelled to high heaven then……and is continually doing so! We NEED A FULL BLOWN STATE AUDIT here…..ISD 709 own bylaws say an audit is to be performed every 5 years……has NOT been done in 16 years! This whole thing is going to keep costing…..I should say keep on rising! These unchecked and very “strange” developments have got to be stopped……..NOW!!!
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$3.9 mill is like 1% over budget and that is cause to start screaming incompetence? When they sell the property it will be even less over. Quit crying. The supposed “small government” crowd is going to ruin this country. Why don’t you take a good look at Romney’s tax plan. Only fools and billionaires will vote for this guy.
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Just solidified the fact that I will never live in Duluth and my children will not attend Duluth Schools.
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Whoops! Did they forget to add in Dixon’s Christmas bonus? ROTFLMAO!!!!
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