by Grand Forks Herald
February 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm in Grand Forks Herald
Advocates for adding a $7 million hockey arena to Grand Forks’ landscape are in the educational stage. The start of the arm-twisting stage is uncertain. Continue Reading
Tags: GF and EGF, Grand Forks Park District, Hockey, hockey arenas, Sports 112 Comments »
What? We don’t have enough hockey rinks in Grand Forks? How about negotiating use of Engelstad. Raising money for this because “there’s still a lot of money out there” is the world’s worst reason for a fundraiser. How about getting the new wellness center off to a running start before we commit to yet another infrastructure project.
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Both sheets of ice at the REA are currently under use by area hockey players. Should the tax payer cough up the funds or perhaps the cost be allocated to the actual users? I say the latter. Although ice time is a major cost for the youth hockey programs, the parents will dig deeper into their pocket books for the beloved sport of hockey in the Grand Cities.
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Used or underused?
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used spearman, “USED”! As in the hockey players, youth and adults, are currently utilizing both sheets of ice at the REA.
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Well you said “under use” which in the context of you whole post didn’t make the best sense. It could have been the case that you left off the ED from under use.
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The City of GF is the proud owner of a huge albatross known as the Alerus center. Talk about vacant space! It is almost criminal. UND football takes one or two weekends a month max. The occasional concert and monster truck/motorcycle show. With the exception of Cher, when was the last time that place came close to selling out?
I vote for partitioning part of it off and putting a sheet of ice there. Might cramp someone’s style, but right now it is a hemorrhaging wound. This might help staunch the bleeding.
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This can be part of the new library! Just build the thirteenth floor out of ice, with perimeter seating and a full concession area. The fourteenth through nineteenth floors can be the new Community High school.
It probably shouldn’t be bigger than twenty or thirty floors, though, or it’ll blot out the sun for a large section of GF.
Is there ANY idea that is “too crazy” to not be considered for taxpayer funding?
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“Is there ANY idea that is “too crazy” to not be considered for taxpayer funding?”
No. Which is why you and I should get together and demand GF build a zoo since Wahpeton and Minot have one.
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Can we put the politicians IN the zoo?
The cages would be a refreshing change from having them wander the streets freely.
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Great minds think alike. That was my idea too. Sort of like an old Twilight Zone episode.
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Don’t forget Bismarck.. They have a pretty nice one.
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All the more reason to spend millions on one in Grand Forks. Of course, if Fargo had one that would be the clincher.
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But ours would have to be bigger…
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Red River Zoo is located in Fargo.
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I’m in and out of Fargo all the time…I never actually heard of a zoo there…I kinew they had one in Bismarck, but not Fargo…Funny they don’t at least have a billboard so more than just the locals know about it…
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The Zoo is located just off of I94 between the 45th and I29 exchange, east of Gander Mountain. As far as advertising, the Red River Valley Zoo does not have a lot of bragging rights. I personally think the Wahpeton Zoo has more to offer.
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Wahpeton has a zoo too? I thought I knew my state….I guess there’s a lot going on I haven’t heard about in the mysterious southern regions…
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Tundra you have to keep your eyes open out there on the road, a quick blink will lead you to missing much of ND attractions.
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Tundra.. I thought you were a truck driver?? You’ve never seen the billboards for the chahinkapa zoo in Wahpeton??
As far as Fargo’s Zoo.. Its more of a .. petting zoo.
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Not if it’s in Whapeton….I very seldom have a reason to go there…I go past the exit on I29 quit a bit…..A few casino billboards, but can’t recall a zoo
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That is what I’m talking about.. The Fun Factor in Grand Forks is no longer fun..
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This is a worthy cause that will be good for the City and the kids that live in the area. Ice time is hard to get and some kids practice at very early or very late hours which are not condusive to being alert at school when they’re supposed to be learning. Asking for donners is how the first Ralph was built. It’s a positive project that people can get behind and do something good for the community. It would be great to see the people of Grand Forks rally around something good.
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So here’s what you do: You call a meeting of all the people who believe a new hockey rink is a worthy cause. Then you take that number of participants and divide it into $7 million. Then you all get out your checkbooks and write your share of that amount.
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Or you pass on the cost of the new arena to all area hockey players. I don’t expect this to be put on the backs of every GF tax payer, just those who are using the resources. Fundraising from private entities would be another option. WWACD?
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It doesn’t work that way in Grand Forks; everyone pays for the wants of the few. I don’t go to the Alerus, I don’t own a dog, I don’t play golf, I don’t go to fitness centers, I don’t attend the Empire Theater, I don’t stay at the CanadInn, I don’t have a business at the Industrial Park. Yet one way or another, I subsidize all of them.
Hot debate. What do you think? 27 13
It’s called community. Why don’t you go live in the country all by yourself.
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And you are currently living where, spearman? Maybe you’d like to make out a check for the project. 100K may cover your part.
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Well Gene, when Purpur was built in 66 I had $34 to my name & I gave all of it to the fundraiser knowing I would never play in it. When the old Ralph was built I donated knowing I would never play in it. Ralph gave $100 mill. knowing he would never play in it. It’s called community spirit. Like I said go live in the country like all those people do outside of GF while they continue to freeload by using the streets & other services paid for by GF residents. You probably already do.
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Since you don’t know where I live, spearman, perhaps you should be quiet and not show your ignorance. As for your examples, I believe they all demonstrate volunteer giving, you and Ralph. Which is exactly what I suggested for this new proposal: if people want a hockey rink, they pay for it. History has shown, however, that these projects in Grand Forks habitually turn into boondoggles, paid for by all, whether they benefit from them or not.
Now, as I recall, you live in the Twin Cities; Shakopee is it? So, of course, you have no skin in the game. Unless you want to send your check up here. You’re like Mike Jacobs, who champions high priced projects in Grand Forks, while he lives in Gilby.
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I have property in GF Mean Gene.
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What subsidies do you like Gene?
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Do you have a business Gene? If so taxpayers subsidize you by providing educated workers for you to hire and pay minimum wages to.
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If the kids can’t stay awake in class because they practice to early or to late, maybe they shouldn’t play hockey.
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Wow, I was just thinking about this on Saturday and here is an article. Right on.
I think one of the determining factors is demographics. If you’ve seen just how many 5 and 6 year olds are playing right now, it’s going to be full for quite a while – at least the next 10 years or so. Wash, rinse, repeat for just about any youth related activity in the near future.
The question is how long will the baby boom continue and will this still be needed in, say, 20 years?
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I would have no issue whatsover if private funds were used to build and maintain it.
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Somehow “private funds” in Grand Forks, costs taxpayers quite a bit.
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Typical Grand Forks: find a whim and get others to fund it. How much do want to bet that this will eventually end up on the taxpayers’ back?
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Not just Grand Forks residents backs. I don’t live in GF, yet I have to help pay for a white elephant called the Alerus that loses money every year even after the city gives it a subsidy. The people that use these facilities should pay for them and no one else. If they want it, they can pay for it.
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No, Bob, not subsidy. The Alerus considers that revenue. Just like all the “revenue” they earn when you eat at a restaurant or buy a bottle of booze.
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And not to forget it’s Hal Gershman’s booze..
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Oh well, just as with the new Wellness Center this project is going to be pushed down our throats. They are going to say they have donations to cover construction costs, but yet, at the end of the day it will fall on taxpayers to maintain this building. What I find interesting is that they have been able to get donors to cover the Wellness Center construction and now possibly a new Hockey Arena, but no one is willing to donate toward a new library. It seems to me that people donate to what is important to them. Has the library group tried the same? Maybe we could have a new library if some of the supports would put their money where their mouths are.
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The Blue Line Club has already committed $2.5 mill. for the rinks meaning a lot of it is payed for by Canadians tourists.
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This being Grand Forks, what will happen is “Oh, did we say $7 million? We meant 15.”
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The proposal for a new library was doomed because too many people saw the Alerus redux. Neither did it help when it came out the head librarian was making $98K plus benefits while crying poverty for other employees.
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With a $15T (and growing ) nat’l debt, city and state gov’ts all over better quit trying to squeeze anymore taxes from J.Q.Public. The Feds are breaking us enough and it wil be 10Xs worse in the near future.
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Propose something good for Grand Forks and every curmudeon in GF crawls out of the woodwork.
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Good for whom? Little kids playing hockey? Then let their parents pay for it.
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Let their parents pay for the schools too. Right Mean Gene?
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Apples and oranges, spearman. Education benefits us all. Hockey is entertainment. Why not build a 7 million opera house for prospective singers?
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Chester Fritz did build an opera house & by the way sports as entertainment benefits us all.
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And Ralph built a hockey rink. And as for entertainment, there are many kinds…not necessarily worth a $7 million building.
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A real irony here is that little dying village of Crookston MN (popoulation under 8K) spent $15,000,000.00 for a goofy ice rink that will break local taxpayers into the 51st century. Of course that’s the socialist state of MN.
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Shhhhhhh…you’ll give the Grand Forks Park Board ideas.
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Good one GB…
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Ah, it’s ND that has a socialist state bank & state mill. That’s part of why ND is the only state in the black.
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It’s in the black because through a freak of Nature it has oil, lots of it. And, of course, lots of Federal pork.
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Lots of pork. ND is one of the handful of states that gets more than it gives in terms of federal dollars.
ND loves the Tea Party, yet nurse on the federal teat. The budget stalemate has triggered a series of mandatory cuts that will undoubtedly affect several programs near and dear to ND heart. Add to that the looming closure of one or more of our bases and the people may just get a chance to practice what they preach.
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As I said yesterday – Propose something good for Grand Forks and every curmudeon in GF crawls out of the woodwork.
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Heard you the first time. Wasn’t valid then, either.
Not wanting to go into debt for useless crap is not a sign of a curmudgeon. It’s the sign of someone with at least some fiscal responsibility; one who believes tax money is important, and to be respected…along with the folks FORCED under penalty of law to “contribute”.
If there’s a market for another hockey rink, the private sector should jump all over it.
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The thing is, most of the people running city government, and spending the money, work in the private sector, and would never make the expenditures in their own business they do for all these boondoggles. If Hal Gershman ran his liqour stores the way he runs the city council, he’d be bankrupt.
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Whadya Mean Gene, Every new rink means more booze sales when all those tournament player’s parents come to town.
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Maybe, but this a rink for little kids: mites, bantams, peewees. You think parents are going to let their kids watch them get looped during the tournament? Not sure Hal is going to make much off that group.
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Think you might need to head to a Mites tournament, Gene. There are lots of people who tailgate those things WITH beer at 8 a.m. on a Saturday!
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I’m not surprised. With the advent of daycare many parents became biological units. But don’t get me started on that.
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We’re not talking about at the rink but at the hotels when the games aren’t being played. I guess you haven’t been to out of town youth tournaments.
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Why would they tailgate at hotels when they have rooms? I believe the implication was they drink at the rinks.
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That was cool Gene.. That is exactly about that article in the Herald last week..
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A new rink in the south isn’t all that bad of an idea…Especially when outdoor rinks don’t stay open in the real cold anymore. I’d put this more in the category of a public pool. Something that does provide opportunity for all people and children in particular to have something to do around town in the winter. When it comes to kids boredom can be the biggest promoter of trouble. Something like an arena would both help stave off boredom and allow them something to burn off energy.
Other than the obvious items listed above (I haven’t read all of them I’m sure) is that GF is a hockey town so along with games played there is extra revenue from those coming in from out of town……On it’s own it might not be a big enough difference to justify spending the money, but it is something to consider.
Maybe it’s not something I’ll use, but in the long run it’ll probably do more good for the community than bad. Besides…Who knows…Maybe it might help create a great hockey player or two…..Then I bet some of those who are so opposed here would probably say, “Yep….He’s one of ours” With all kind of pride while totally forgetting that the arena they opposed help him get enough time to hone skills…….You know…Kind of the circle of life song….
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I agree Tundra, all good points, and those kids’ parents can pay for it.
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We can all put in a little for something that is for the community as a whole…..It’s not just “Those Parents” kids….It goes far beyond that for many years…How many lives has the Purpur arena effected over some 40 years or more? Maybe it’s not your kids, but maybe your grandchildern or even the kid down the block and their kids or grandchildern.
I wasn’t for the Alerus because that always seemed to be something business should pay more for since local business would be the main benefactor. Projects like this can have a long lasting effect on the community for many years…In my opinion that makes it an investment on the future well being of the community.
I guess if we wanted to save money we could have an old fashioned barn raising type event and do like they did in EGF with the revised playground. But on a project of that magnatude….I think it would be far safer to hire out….
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Too many examples in Grand Forks of projects “for the community” or “for the children” for which there was no control over spending. The Alerus is the best recent example, a huge white elephant, the promises of which for building it were never kept. As I suggested, interested parties should band together and pass the plate for what they want.
BTW Mpls. Mayor R.T Rybak is advocating a joint management plan for the St. Paul Excel Arena & the Mpls. Target Center. Too bad the Ralph is private cuz joint management for the Alerus & Ralph might help them coordinate & share events to help the Alerus bottom line.
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I would imagine the last thing the REA would want to do is have any association with the people who manage the Alerus.
I’m sure that’s the case.
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The Alerus is a pretty extreme example to use for comparison….Like I said…I too was against that, but I think this falls into a different catagory. …But I do agree that the city needs to get better estimates so that we’re not told the cost is one thing and find out later that it’s going way over budget. Make sure you have the plan right before you start and then make it as planned…..On anything they have built.
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The Alerus will have a long lasting effect, we will be paying to keep it open for many, many more years.
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WHAT “real cold”?
When was the last time we had -20 weather more than three days in a row?
I remember having to go to school back when this town had blizzards and cold weather, because the criminal in charge of the school district was soaking the Feds for impact aid. All the Base students got to go home right after there were enough school hours to bill the Feds for a day’s schooling.
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I wasn’t refering to this winter……I lived out in the western part of the state during the 80′s for about five years……I was shocked the first time I hear an announcement that the warming houses wouldn’t be open because it was going to be around -10. When I was a kid the Cnetral park warming house only shut down for storms or real deadly wind chills……I don’t really know how cold it gets before they wont open them now days, but I’m guessing it’s probably around -5……
As for schools….I don’t know how old you are, but if you want to talk about foolish ideas….At south back in the 60′s and early 70′s girls had to adhere to a dress code where they couldn’t wear slacks….They were forced to wear a dress. Some would wear slacks en-route (Remember walking to school….Hey kids…It actually happened) and do a quick change before class…Others like my sister sometimes had to prove they were tough and wore a dress in sub zero weather as sort of a “In your face” statement….Naturally her legs are the first to freeze whenever it gets cold now that she’s older (Just like my hands, feet, and ears……Amazing how dumb we are as kids when we want to be seen as hard core eh?)
What do you think? Do you think all of the pools is not a summer thing anymore? Put a building over it for Pete’s sake and use it during the winter months too.. That is what I think.. Grand Forks lost it’s fun factor due to it’s civil slavery in town service work in eateries and cleaning up a hotel room .. Yea the least money these people make each month in our town really don’t look like they are having fun.. The Fun Factor.. Has vanished…….
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Let’s flood the Alerus Center and turn it into a hockey rink. Maybe it would lose less money that way.
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At least we could turn off the heat.
That was the original intent in both the Fargo Dome & the Alerus & is doable.
See my statement above. I also suggested that to the combatants on the Sioux boards who kept insisting Ralph would raise from his grave & demand the arena be closed. I told them to do it. UND won more championships before they broke ground than since it has been open.
I think a little multitasking would be good for the Alerus.
At least this gives us something to discuss other than “The Name That’s Not To Be Spoken.” Hell…It’s becoming about as surreal as a Harry Potter movie……..But 8 out of 10 articles on here related to that name game …………………..
Ok, I take back half the things I said about you. You may be OK after all.
It would be wonderful if the park district would commit to finishing the Kraft Field artificial turf project before proceeding with another hockey rink. Baseball has always taken a backseat to hockey.
OK, let me get this straight: the people of GF would not consider a new library (admittedly that was in large part due to the way the campaign was handled) but they are enthusiastic about a $7 hockey arena? This is completely mind boggling.
There is more to life in ND than hockey (for give me Lord for speaking blasphemy). Not much, but there are other needs too.
The “people of GF” are not necessarily “enthusiastic” about a hockey rink. Those whose kids would use it, and for which they wouldn’t have complete out of pocket expense are. As was stated before, GF’s mo is to have all foot the bill for the whims of the few.
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In a very memorable exchange I had on the phone with the opinion page editor of the Harold, we were discussing the new fitness center. I had written an editorial asking why the city was competing with private business (this was soon after the new gym in the Lever’s center opened).
He felt my editorial was so off the mark he called me to talk about it. In my editorial I mentioned the Wellness Center at UND. I paid for it in the form of student fees for three years but never got to use it because I graduated and moved away before it was open. Now that I was back at UND as a grad student, I used it whenever I was in town. It is a truly wonderful building.
He latched on to that and it became his central argument: no private business would build something that nice, so the city had to.
I was flabbergasted. I know journalists are usually Liberal Arts majors not business (my undergrad is in history so I can sympathize) but economics 101 says that private business cannot compete with government because government does not have to run on a budget (Alerus Center).
He could not understand or did not accept my argument that no business would ever build a Wellness Center like UND because they would be in competition with the city. He just couldn’t get passed the feeling that GF deserved a good gym, and since LA Fitness was not cooperating, the city had to build one.
This was not the first phone call we have shared, and I truly enjoy his point of view on most subjects, but this conversation made me want to pull my hair out: and I shave my head.
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I agree with that issue, but this isn’t the same because this isn’t something taken up by the private sector. This is more like building a community pool. There is cost, but it does add to the over all well being of the community. This also not only provides more ice time for hockey, but more ice time for recreation and for those practicing figure skating…Especially on years like this when there’s been very little outdoor rink time available.
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Grand Forks is a very interesting place. It wants the benefits of good infrastructure, it just does not want to pay for them. I had never heard of a special assessment zone before moving to Grand Forks. I lived in California and Colorado before moving to GF, and never once did I have to pay attention to which side of the street I lived on lest my property tax assessment increase to pay for sewer, or road, or parks. It blew my mind.
I am ambivalent on this subject because I see both points. I see the need (although $7 million is a little much for pee wee, I think we can do a better job than two 500 person arenas) and I think that if it is open to everyone in the city, it should be paid for by everyone. Your analogy to a community pool is a good one.
I also see Gene’s point (minus his disdain for everything GF Harold). The City of GF is not exactly known for accurate projections.
I would put it to a vote, like the library.
“I also see Gene’s point (minus his disdain for everything GF Harold). ”
Who is it that habitually misspells it?
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Reread the article, it’s not about a community rink
“It’s about securing more ice time for hockey players and figure skaters, Harris said.”
This isn’t planned as a place families can go to skate cirles for an hour. It’s already earmarked for a small cadre of people.
The Twin Cities has at least 130, yes 130, $3-10 mill. indoor rinks all paid for with taxes, user fees and pull tabs. Kids each pay about $800-1000 per season to play on a team & have indoor ice time. The same arrangement goes for GF for its 4 rinks. In GF cheaper youth house leagues exist to practice outside for basically free.
Not sure what your point is. The Twin Cities is loose conglomeration of separate cities, not just MSP, with a huge population: Edina, Burnsville, Eden Prairie, Apple Valley, White Bear Lake, Maple Grove, etc. How on earth does that compare with little Grand Forks?
Maybe I was projecting…I haven’t done anything with Purpor for many years, but that used to be used for community skating at different times….I guess I assumed this would be too…
The point is those 130 suburban arenas are built by & maintained by the individual cities unlike other major metros where they are privately constructed & run for profit and can close from one yr. to the next. You’re whining about something that is taken for granted in civilized places like GF & the TC.
Yes your right… The fun Factor is not in Grand Forks anymore…
I think it’s a stretch to call the reporters at the Herald “journalists.”
Oh hell…I think there’s several of us who could just have a grand ol’ time sitting on a poarch waiting for some kid to step on our grass so we can yell…”Get the hell off my lawn….” Just like when we were kids…..Such is the circle of life eh?
I do agree that 7 million is a bit high if it’s only for hockey and figure skating…..For that price there really needs to be some ice time made for the public….Not a lot, but some….
So where does the money go? Ice or summertime activities for the people who cant afford simple fun factors in the city you live in .. My guess it’s in summertime when hardly there is nothing to do around here.. Can anyone here tell me will we can do a 18 hole mini golf anymore?
They tried that a couple times, but unfortunately the season is just too short if it’s outside. If we had a larger tourist base than perhaps some private enterprise would come in and attach an event center with miniture golf and water slides like they have in a few places in WI. But I really doubt you’d ever find public funding for something like this….
Here’s a real blast from the ancient past…About where Paradiso sits now there used to be a miniture golf court….But before it was that it was a trampolean center. They had all these trampoleans set at ground level over holes. I’m not sure if you could just get admission and stay as long as you wnated or if you only paid by the hour. It didn’t last too long…Not sure if it was because of the short season or because of injuries…And that was before everyone sued over everything….But it sure was a blast…
It was really hard to get injured when they were flush with the ground.
There are such things as semi outdoor driving ranges & indoor mini golf courses like GF Guesthouse Inn, so they can be year-round activities. The driving ranges are open on one side with overhead heating like in bus shelters. You hit into the open air. You don’t need an inflated dome. Nets are run down the sides to trap balls and machines run around & pick up balls.
You mean like flipping from the tramp on to you back off the tramp? It’s not that tough for kids to find ways to get hurt in most any situation…
My number 2 son was in gymnastics for 4-5 years. He could do amazing things off the tramp, or high bar, or darn near anything. I remember wondering if I was buying another house: I had to sign so many release forms.
It was the best thing he ever did. Trouble is it was so expensive none of the other kids got to do anything because all the disposible income went to him. Must be what a lot of GF families face if they have a kid in a traveling league and they are not independently wealthy.
What do you think the Canad Inn is but a private Canadian company that built a Wisc. Dells like indoor water park open to the public.
The city is unwilling to come up with financing for a new library which benefits everyone. Now the city may be asked to come up with money for an arena which benefits a single sport. If the arena goes through while the library fails, it sends a pretty pathetic message, hockey over reading.
it’s not so much, hockey over reading, it’s where are the people going to spend their money. Live Entertainment or picking up your Kindle and reading a book digitally.
As I stated above Elaine, I am with you. I followed the library campaign pretty closely and was dismayed at how poorly it was run. The citizens wanted a central location: either where it is now or further north. The powers that be wanted it near the new Wellness Center (it made me want to know who owned the land that they were wanting to build it on and do a little triangulation of the names).
I don’t know about anyone else, but I got the distinct impression the decision to put it south was already made, and any “research” about putting it elsewhere would simply be window dressing.
There is also the issue of temporary taxes that always seem to become permanent.
I am still angry over the wellness center. Even though GF has a tradition of city owned health facilities, there was no reason that project could not have been done privately. The tax payers should not have been involved.
Trying to get the library passed, on the heels of a vote for the Wellness Center, after a poorly run campaign; it is not hard to see why it failed.
I hope the Library Board learned their lesson, comes up with a suitable plan, and puts it before the voters again. I repeat: after the Board has done its due diligence.
That’s your Ayn Rand talking.
Sorry Spearman. Never read them. Don’t know if I am being complimented or insulted.
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