UND student leader: Students sick of hearing about, dealing with Sioux nickname issue
February 9, 2012 at 12:18 am in Grand Forks Herald
Kylie Overson says the nickname debate that has dragged on for years is frustrating. She says “it’s taking a lot of energy that we could be spending elsewhere.” Continue Reading
As a UND student I concur. It always amazed me how a bunch of people with no tangible link to the university other than the odd hockey game get so worked up over something that doesn’t affect them.
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Call me crazy, but I thought the main purpose of going to college is to study and learn and ready oneself for a career. Notice I said MAIN purpose. Yes, students in the past have engaged in dialog (and occasionally protest) concerning world events, but that is a byproduct. Many young people who attend a university are learning to expand their thinking, consider the bigger picture, and are surrounded by other peers who are in the same position. This in turn fosters the atmosphere for becoming engaged in the sociopolitical world. However they are in no way obligated to do so. Maybe I’m wrong – do colleges have some checkbox on their application that requires incoming students to be active in social protest?
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Very true and don’t forget the big payday the nickname petition leaders got, word on the Rez is its in the thousands of $$$$. People with no connection to UND are making big money.
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Hang this on your fridge F/N:
Ten Things To Do In The Northland During The Winter
1. snowmobiling
2. ice fishing
3. ice skating
4. skiing
5. sledding
6. hockey
7. darts
8. bowling
9. quilting
10. playing cards
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Seems most people drink during all of your activities
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Also movies, restuarants, UND lectures, Fritz/Alerus/Ralph/Empire concerts, gambling, all kinds of athletics, i.e. not just hockey, reading ,friends, waterpark, hunting, skiing etc. Your snobbery is showing again, flying nurse.
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Settle down TJ. I was just being a smart arse. I am all too familiar with ND winters. Why do you think I live in AZ? While your list of activities is true, it is also undeniable that the only state that has a higher rate of alcoholism and domestic violence than ND is Alaska. It is a simple fact of life the further north you go the smaller the population becomes and the larger the percentage of social ills. Not seeing the sun for weeks on end will do that to you.
No offense intended. If ND could make a deal with God to loose the slate gray sky, I would move back in a heartbeat. I don’t mind the cold, I just can’t handle the gloom. I thought seasonal affective disorder was a made up disease till I lived there.
That said, if I win the lotto I am moving back long enough to lead the recall Al Carlson campaign, then moving to FL. AZ is great but there is no ocean, and I really want an ocean in my life.
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You can say anything you want about ND…it doesn’t bother me a bit. I can see it across the river if I go out onto my deck.
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I’ll drink to that.
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Fantastic TJ. I just read that in Palin’s voice. Ugggggh
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Flying nurse, You’ve got to be kidding. As you go north life is more problematic? IOW, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland have more problems because they are further north. Columbus thought that if you didn’t live at a Mediterranian latitude, i.e. further north or south than Italy, it meant you were less intelligent @ therefore fit to be enslaved. You are about 500 yrs. behind the times.
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Right on!
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AS a UND student with actual pride in my school, I cannot figure out why you would make such a comment.
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http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/09/09/native-american-tribe-defends-fighting-sioux-logo-53229
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I just wish the Standing Rock tribe would have embraced Democracy and allowed the tribe to vote.
A simple vote would have put this to bed a long time ago.
If the people say NO, I for one would respect that and move on.
I just think its sad that one tribe (Spirit Lake) votes YES to keep it and their vote is nullified by Tribal elders at Standing Rock.
The NCAA needs to just base the decision on the one tribe that did vote.
You cant force Standing Rock to do the right thing and give their people a voice.
But dont censor out the tribe that said YES.
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The 2007 SETTLMENT AGREEMENT between the parties required two of the North Dakota Sioux Tribes (Spirit Lake and Standing Rock) to approve of the “Fighting Sioux” nickname and logo for UND to be allowed to retain that nickname and logo.
Spirit Lake voted YES to retain the nickname and logo; whereas, Standing Rock Sioux Tribe said NO to retaining the “Fighting Sioux” mascot and logo at UND.
The NCAA’s view of that 2007 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT was that the agreement was/is binding and the University of North Dakota was/is required to retire that “Fighting Sioux” nickname and logo. The North Dakota Attorney General, as well as signatories for North Dakota and the NCAA all agreed to the terms of the 2007 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
All Rise.
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Technically you are 100% accurate.
However, at Standing Rock, they just refused to have a vote and when the NCAA tried to set a deadline they refused to acknowledge the deadline and said let the chips fall where they may.
Honestly, i am less concerned about the nickname than i am the loss of Democracy to the members of the tribe.
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Are you ever going to catch on Herald??????????????? Right now once again there’s five out of ten topics on the message boards about the Sioux name, and several of them are pretty much in the same subject arena article wise. Who does that over and over again? Not only does it show a lack of imagination, but basically a lazy way to set up the boards…Just put all articles regarding the Sioux soup mix on the boards…..I’m sure this article will join the ranks on there by this afternoon….Probably followed by another riviting article about Crystal
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Right again, Tundra!
Of course, that was a pretty safe bet.
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a state-wide vote? sioux diehards may be surprised to learn just how little the rest of the world cares about their name-game. the student’s views don’t quite reflect the depth of the disdain felt across the state about the whole issue.
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From the dislikes here apparently there’s people who doubt the reality of your statement, but outside the valley this is just a very small amusement if noticed at all but the majority of people…..I lived in the western part of the state for about five years and believe me….They could care less about most of what goes on in the valley……We’re kind of like another state over here to them…
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Student leaders come and go, the Fighting Sioux lives on.
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I thought you did not care. You just want the poor reservation have a vote. What else have they not gotten to vote on that you are concerned about?
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I would like to ask everyone to take this article with a grain of salt. The student body president is not even close to representing the majority of the student body. For example everyone I know on campus does not share any of the views of the student body president. The Herald should interview a random choosing of students, but then the article would not be biased how the Herald wants it to be.
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Unless things have changed, the student body president was usually some frat boy who’s there to just pad his resume for law school.
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Pretty much. Their first “real” election since HS student council.
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Although to be honest I do not know if our current President is a sorority member or not.
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J:
I would challenge your assumptions. I have been a student at UND since 2002. Every single campus vote on the subject has been in favor of ditching the nickname and cartoon. I would like to suggest that maybe it is you who are out of touch with your fellow students.
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in one breath youre a student at UND, next breath youre living in AZ during the winter…
Why do you even care if you cant be bothered to live here?
Arent there Az issues you can deal with? maybe immigration and border crossings.
Leave this fight to those not afraid to stay here during the winter.
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As an alum, I’m tired of hearing about the issue as well. If the motley crew of assorted racists, cowards, dullards, hypocrites, and ne’er-do-wells would just quit trying to force their PC opinion on the rest of us, we could get back to doing more important things.
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An old white dude telling a bunch of Natives that they are racist for wanting to get rid of a cartoon they consider derogatory? Are you and Always Correct drinking the same water? Do you hang in his mother’s basement too?
When people start throwing the term racist about I usually like to quote my favorite African American Caucasian: Michael Jackson … it is time to look at the man in the mirror.
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I’m pretty sure the Native Americans themselves at Spirit Lake voted to keep it.
The members of Standing Rock didnt get a chance to vote.
Therefore, i think its the Native Americans getting the raw end here.
When you say Native Americans wanting to get rid of it, you represent the minority of Native Americans.
When did we start ignoring the majority in this country?
What happened to Democracy?
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Well the American Indian tribes started ignoring it when the United States Government started taking their land and slaughtering them.
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Spearman: What you say could very well be true, but it is irrelevant. What you are describing is internal tribal politics; in other words not our affair. If SR wants to elect whomever to represent them, that is their business.
I love how on one hand you say they are disenfranchised, but on the other they cannot be trusted to choose their own leaders.
Again, just because you do not like the outcome of an election does not negate the fact that a fair election took place. If the tribe choose to elect someone for whatever reason (they like his hair better than your candidate’s) it is their business.
Again, it amazes me that you cannot see the hypocrisy in your stance: The people of Standing Rock must be allowed to vote … unless of course they choose to vote for someone who is against the nickname, in which case any and all tribal elections are null and void till they come up with a result I approve of.
Amazing. Simply amazing
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Captain: I am in the middle of a big project for work. Please refer to the 100 earlier times you asked that questions and the 100 earlier answers explaining how democracy is alive and well and that not liking the outcome of an election is not the same as depriving a group of people the right to hold an election.
SR did vote. We beat that horse to death, buried it, exhumed it, beat it to death again, and had it cremated to avoid having the same old argument again.
They voted. You did not like the outcome. We get that. It does not mean they were disenfranchised, just that you don’t like the outcome.
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Please point me to the results of that vote.
If it did in fact take place, and as you say, every tribal member was able to vote then i am wrong.
It is my understanding that the Tribal leadership REFUSED to allow a vote.
This is a far cry from your whiny attitude.
You said “SR did vote. We beat that horse to death, buried it, exhumed it, beat it to death again, and had it cremated to avoid having the same old argument again.”
I look forward to your link to the vote results or your apology for being hostile and abusive.
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FN:
I suggest you read this before calling people out, now back to your big project.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017454640.html
I specifically point out the single line as quoted below…..
“Spirit Lake tribal members endorsed the name. But the Standing Rock Sioux’s tribal council, which opposed the nickname, has declined to support it or to allow its tribal members to vote”
OR ALLOWED ITS TRIBAL MEMBERS TO VOTE.
now, about that apology for calling me a racist when all i asked was why 8500 people dont get to have their voices heard.
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Captain: the article answered your question. The SR tribal leaders, duly elected by their constituents not once but twice, are against the name.
If the majority of SR is for the name, why do they keep electing people who are against it? That’s like people who believe WASPs are the only people qualified to rule voting for Obama.
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They keep voting for the same council because Jesse Taken Alive in Mclaughlin, SD is the power actor that hands out all the perks to tribal members. He runs a dictatorship based on fear of reprisal. He has it in for GF because his son was involved in a triangle that went bad but had nothing to do with supposed UND logo racism. That’s just a convenient issue to act as smokescreen for his real agenda.
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Univ. of ND will use Fighting Sioux nickname
By DALE WETZEL, Associated Press – 20 hours ago
BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — The University of North Dakota resumed using its contentious Fighting Sioux nickname Wednesday even though it triggered NCAA sanctions, leaving some fans weary of the seven-year fight over a moniker that critics believe is demeaning.
A law requiring the school to use its longtime nickname and logo, which shows the profile of an American Indian warrior, was repealed eight months after it took effect last year in a bid to help the university avoid NCAA sanctions. But ardent nickname supporters filed petitions with more than 17,000 signatures late Tuesday, demanding that the issue be put to a statewide vote.
As part of that process, the law — which the university, the state Board of Higher Education and local lawmakers oppose — temporarily goes back into effect. An NCAA spokesman said Wednesday that means the school won’t host championship events, and its athletes will be barred from wearing uniforms with the nickname or logo in post-season play.
“As soon as that petition was filed last night, the law reverts,” University President Robert Kelley told The Associated Press on Wednesday. “I don’t want to violate the law.”
Still, the decision frustrated fans and alumni who have watched the fight drag on since 2005, when the NCAA prodded 19 schools to get rid of American Indian nicknames, logos and mascots that it considered “hostile and abusive” to Indians. The University of North Dakota is the only school left where the issue is in serious dispute.
“It’s getting pretty tiresome, even for a pretty gung-ho nickname supporter,” said 36-year-old alumnus Shawn Carlson, who lives in Fargo, about 80 miles south of the school’s campus in Grand Forks, near the Minnesota border.
Former Fighting Sioux football player Ross Almlie, 39, agreed: “I’d have just as much pride for the university with or without the nickname and logo. Put me in the camp that believes we have bigger fish to fry.”
Since the repeal, the school has moved to retire the nickname and logo, dropping references to them from websites and changing Internet addresses that referred to the Fighting Sioux. The Indian profile was replaced by a new logo showing the interlocked letters N and D.
However, nickname supporters revived the issue anew by filing referendum petitions that they said had more than 17,000 signatures. They need a minimum of 13,452 signatures from eligible North Dakota voters to qualify for the June ballot.
Secretary of State Al Jaeger has about a month to scrutinize the petitions and decide whether they meet legal standards. He then will decide whether the referendum should go on the June ballot.
Kelley said the university’s men’s and women’s hockey teams and the women’s basketball team have a chance for post-season play in the coming months, and he wasn’t yet sure how the teams would be affected.
“But clearly, by being mandated by state law to be Fighting Sioux, we are right back to where we were before the repeal,” the president said.
The university has been accepted into the Big Sky Conference as part of its move to NCAA Division I athletics.
Doug Fullerton, the conference’s commissioner, said the school could become a weaker conference member if uses its Fighting Sioux nickname and logo because it would be barred from hosting playoff games. The sanctions also could result in recruiting problems.
“We’re not making a value judgment about the nickname,” Fullerton said. “We think we’re one of the strongest conferences in the (Football Championship Subdivision), and we expect our members to play right at the top. If they can’t play post-season home games, that doesn’t help.”
The state Board of Higher Education will likely meet with North Dakota Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem on Monday to discuss whether to go to court to block reinstatement of the law, board President Grant Shaft said Wednesday.
When the fight began seven years ago, the NCAA told the University of North Dakota and the other schools with American Indian nicknames or logos that to avoid sanctions, they needed to change the names or obtain permission from local tribes. Most changed their nicknames, though some — including the Florida State Seminoles and the Central Michigan Chippewas — got tribal permission to keep them.
North Dakota challenged the NCAA edict in court. In a settlement, the school agreed to begin retiring its nickname if it could not obtain consent to continue its use from North Dakota’s Standing Rock and Spirit Lake Sioux tribes by Nov. 30, 2010.
Spirit Lake tribal members endorsed the name. But the Standing Rock Sioux’s tribal council, which opposed the nickname, has declined to support it or to allow its tribal members to vote.
Current supporters of the nickname and petition drive include members of both the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes.
The law forcing the school to use the name and logo was approved in March, pushed by some prominent university alumni and Republican House Majority Leader Al Carlson. Carlson said he resented the NCAA’s bullying and what he regarded as the Board of Higher Education’s clumsy handling of the matter.
Carlson hoped the law would make the NCAA reconsider its opposition to the nickname and logo, but NCAA officials remained adamant during a summer meeting with Carlson, Gov. Jack Dalrymple and other officials.
The law was repealed during a special legislative session last November, with many former supporters switching sides and saying it had not accomplished its purpose of influencing the NCAA.
Reed Soderstrom, chairman of the referendum campaign, hailed the university’s decision Wednesday and discouraged members of the higher education board from going back to court.
“They would seem to be following a method of trying to disenfranchise the voters, and I don’t think they have the power to do that,” he said.
Associated Press writer Dave Kolpack contributed to this report from Fargo, N.D.
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The removal of Native American names and imagery across the nation is a conspiracy by a bunch of white racists who are trying to remove the Native American people from the fore front of peoples thoughts.
Here in North Dakota we hear about the Sioux all the time and we see things that remind us of the Sioux.
What happens when all that imagery is no longer in your face and in the news?
The Sioux become relegated to the history books.
This is nothing more than a way to make Native American tribes become forgotten.
Laugh if you want to, but think about it….
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Yeah white people came out and put on Amercan Inidan gear and protested outside stadiums. Thats how it all came about. I think you really believe that. They were protesting in the 80′s when I was at UND and not one of them were white.
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Also I think you should go up to the reservation and tell them that they are nothing but names in a history book unless they put their name on UND. You might as well tell them they are worthless without us. Good campaign for the vote.
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Very well said Mike. Do not be alarmed or surprised when either Always Correct, Don, or Captain America call you uninformed and a racist. You see they believe in Good Indians and Bad Indians. If you are for the nickname you are good, if you are against, you are bad.
On one thread they will insist that only ND Indians matter, the rest of the nation be dam%%ed (every single Native American group nationally has come out against the nickname and logo), except when of course one single solitary Indian from Pine Ridge publishes an editorial in the paper championing their side; then they will cut and paste that editorial incessantly.
Good and Bad. They are fixated on the binary.
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Because we racist types like to keep the Native American name out in public….
What freaking world do you live in?
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The X Files Smoking Man is behind this. I said that before.
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STATEMENT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL WAYNE STENEHJEM
ON THE SETTLEMENT OF THE LAWSUIT AGAINST THE NCAA
October 26, 2007
On August 5, 2005 the National Collegiate Athletic Association (“NCAA”) announced that it had adopted a policy that prohibited the display of Native American names or imagery deemed hostile or abusive on team uniforms and associated paraphernalia at NCAA Championship events and additionally prohibited schools that continue to use Native American names and imagery from hosting or bidding to host
Championship events. The Policy further announced a set of “best practices” for member institutions to consider adopting which would encourage member institutions to
refrain from scheduling regular season competition with schools that continue to use Native American names and imagery. The University of North Dakota (“UND”) was
identified and placed on the list of schools subject to these restrictions.
The NCAA subsequently announced the procedures that an identified school had for challenging its inclusion on the list of offending schools. The NCAA also announced that as part of that review, one primary factor that would be considered would be whether a sovereign tribe had provided formal approval for the use of the name and associated imagery. Through the appeals process provided by the NCAA, only those schools with namesake tribal approval were granted exemptions from the Policy.
UND appealed its inclusion on the list of offending school through each step of the internal process afforded by the NCAA. On April 27, 2006, the NCAA issued a final decision rejecting UND’s appeal, determining that UND would remain on the list of offending schools deemed to be using hostile or abusive names and imagery.
At the conclusion of the appeals process, it was determined that the only remaining recourse available to UND was through the initiation of litigation. The internal appeals process was complete and UND did not have any further ability to challenge the NCAA’s determination and its inclusion of UND on the list of schools deemed to be
using hostile or abusive names and imagery. The North Dakota State Board of Higher Education subsequently authorized, and on October 6, 2006, UND initiated a lawsuit
against the NCAA for breach of contract, breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing, and for violations of North Dakota antitrust law. On November 11,
2006, the District Court issued a preliminary injunction prohibiting the application of the Policy to UND until the issues were resolved at trial.
After extensive negotiation, the State Board of Higher Education on October 26, 2007, formally agreed to settle the lawsuit against the NCAA. Under the settlement terms, UND will be provided a three-year period from November 30, 2007 in which to engage in a dialogue with North Dakota Sioux Tribes for purposes of securing namesake approval for the continued use of the “Sioux” name and logo. If namesake
approval is provided by both Spirit Lake and Standing Rock during this time period, the NCAA will agree to exempt UND from application of the Championship restrictions.
At the end of the three-year period, should UND not have namesake approval from both Spirit Lake and Standing Rock, UND agrees to transition to a new name and logo. The NCAA agrees to provide UND additional time until August 15, 2011 to
accomplish the transition. In addition, certain imagery is allowed to transition at later dates, and some imagery would be allowed to remain indefinitely without implicating championship restrictions.
The NCAA also expressly agreed to make a public statement on the campus environment at UND. The NCAA statement is:
The NCAA recognizes the University of North Dakota’s many
programs and outreach services to the Native American
community and surrounding areas. The University of North
Dakota is a national leader in offering educational programs
to Native Americans. The University has indicated that it intends to use the current name and logo with the utmost respect and dignity, and only for so long as it may do so with the support of the Native American community. The NCAA does not dispute UND’s sincerity in this regard.
The NCAA believes, as a general proposition, that the use of
Native American names and imagery can create a hostile or
abusive environment in collegiate athletics. However, the
NCAA did not make any other findings about the environment on UND’s campus. The NCAA also acknowledges that reasonable people can disagree about the propriety of Native American imagery in athletics. The NCAA believes that the time has come to retire Native American imagery in college sports. This public acknowledgement was an important component of the settlement.
The settlement was agreed to by the Board by unanimous vote and approved by the Attorney General. As part of the settlement, it is stipulated that the lawsuit against the NCAA will be dismissed with prejudice.
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Trying writing your own stuff rather then posting others
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Looks like someone learned how to use cut and paste today.
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I think I am missing something here Flying Nurse. You say you have been a student here at UND since 2002, but you live in AZ. If you are a student here, great, but the nickname only affects you to a point. We who live in Grand Forks and UND employees are the ones that are affected the most. We will hear about this subject every day for years to come. Let the hate go.
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Well if Flying Nurse is boots on the ground here I’d watch out. He’s offended a heck of a lot of locked out union members. I know they’d like to have a word or two with him, heh heh.
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Yes…I would imagine so…I will pass that on to them…maybe a secret meeting will be in the works where they can discuss what to do about this. If their nice to me I might let them use my garage.
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heh heh
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I was back recentlyb& will be back in April. I never paid attention to the ACS plants when I lived there because they were not a big part of my reality. I went to the EGF plant. Clean. Humming with activity. Everyone seemed happy enough. I have nothing to compare it too. More than anything else it reminded me of those pics of auto factories in the rust belt. Let’s hope the ACS plants have a better future.
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Clint: I am a grad student at UND, I am back more often than my bank account would like, & my kids still live in GF. I am far from an outsider which is why I take an interest.
UND is one of the best schools I have ever been to. Watching old white guys with no affiliation try to destroy it because they are insulted someone thinks they are behind the times is not going to happen.
I certainly hope there is an upwelling of revulsion & anger. Maybe then something will get done.
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And FYI FN, domestic violence is worse state by state % wise the farther south you go. You talk about people in ND putting native Americans into groups. Sounds like you are doing the same thing to us. Stop generalizing people, give up the hate, and worry about saving people’s lives. Not trying to bring them down.
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Clint: go to the FBI database site. You can cross tabulate with health & human services or any of the other sites that track this stuff. Unfortunately we earned our drinking & hitting distinction the old fashioned way. We drink too much & we beat on each other.
As a case in point go to the Pine Ridge article & check out their rates. I am sure they skew everyone’s numbers. If you back out the Rez I do not know where we stand
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Check out my post today, Feb.10 @8:07 dealing with your comment about how life deteriorates the further north you go.
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I would venture that at least 95 percent of the UND alumni are sick of this bleeding as well.
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This could all be finished if the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe Council would let their people vote on the issue instead of the Tribe Council deciding it’s fate on their own. What’s the point in a democracy if you don’t let the people decide on the issue and have a voice. If the Standing Rock Tribe’s people vote against the logo, then I think this talk all goes away and the logo and name get’s retired. The fact that their voices are being muffled by the council says a lot.
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Will:
I believe this issue has been dealt with at least a half a dozen times. SR did vote. They elected their tribal representatives.
We discussed at length in earlier threads what happens when we take your view of democracy (it is called direct democracy by the way) to its logical conclusion. I guess every single law since the Constitution was ratified in 1787 is null and void because there was no vote of the people.
I understand your desire to have SR see things your way, but in fact they do not. In fact they have not for over twenty years. Remember that article by the Grand Dam of the Harold a few weeks back talking about SR opposing the nickname a generation (25 years) ago?
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Kinda strange since “My Way” as you put it was merely letting the people of Standing Rock vote on the issue, which I do believe a petition showed they wanted to. So don’t assume I have an opinion either way on whether the Sioux name should stay or go. I only think that people should be heard. I just think that a lot of the bickering is because one tribe voted for keeping the name and the other tribe doesn’t have a voice. Sorry, a 10-12 people aren’t the “true” voice of the people. You don’t find it strange that the Standing Rock Council doesn’t want to let this go to vote? I think most do.. frankly, I don’t care flyingnurse what you think of my opinion, just stating the obvious.
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for all that education FLYINGNURSE doesnt quite understand the concept of a special vote.
The tribe is 8500 members strong, this was a special ballot item that they deserved to have a direct vote on.
I guess this means that whatever Bush did during his years automatically made it right.
Anything Obama does now makes it right. is this where we are going with this?
Spirit Lake managed to let their members vote.
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Captain. You can narrow the playing field all the way down to “only those who are in favor of the nickname can vote” and it won’t matter. 1. The agreement did not call for a tribal vote 2. the agreement is expired so you would have to start all over again from scratch.
You keep pinning your hopes on something that no longer exists.
I do not know about the SR constitution not allowing the votes you are asking for. If that is the case that would be #3 why you are not going to get your way on this one.
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36146
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Seems like the pop. is about equal on each side of the state border,i.e. about 3000 on each side. The SR capitol city is Ft. Yates in N.Dak. I believe McLaughlin S.D. is a largely Anglo. town. Ft Yates, I don’t know.
Standing Rock Reservation Eight Districts District Population
1. Fort Yates, North Dakota 1,961 5. Little Eagle, South Dakota 695
2. Porcupine, North Dakota 219 6. Mclaughlin (Bear Soldier), SD 758
3. Kenel, South Dakota 259 7. Bullhead (Rock Creek), SD 692
4. Wakpala, South Dakota 707 8. Cannon Ball, North Dakota 847
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I would like to encourage everyone to join my page on Facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/RetireFightingSiouxName
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^^^^ Facebook really needs to get to work on that “dislike” button…..
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Pages and pages of comments that are the same old. Yawn.
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8 out of 10 stories on these boards are for this name game nonsense, and several of them are pretty close in content. Apparently someone at the Herald is too lazy to look for articles and just slaps up any article pertaining to the Sioux name because of course…..We just don’t care about anything else…..I’m surprised that so many of the same posters want to continue with the same arguments they’ve been using for all these years on this issue…..It’s been said over and over again……We can cut down to say a limit of three related articles and you’d still get every argument ever posted….
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