Ness lays out plan to increase Duluth’s population to 90,000
January 10, 2012 at 6:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
On the second day of his second term, Mayor Don Ness renewed his call to grow Duluth’s population to 90,000 by 2020.
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Is he going to build additions to the Damiano Center and San Marcos appartments?
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Bullseye Soup Town!
Ne$$ is encouraged by the falling median age from 35.4 in 2000 to 33.6 in 2010? What was the college student population in 2000? I smell a bull on this one. The fact is DFL Duluth’s median household income is way behind the rest of the state. According to (citydata dot com), Minnesota has a median household income of $55,616 while DFL Duluth is only $35,314. Per capita income is a mere $20,384.
FREE money. FREE housing. FREE food. FREE healthcare. FREE tuition… Why work? Vote DFL!
The truth is that the expansion of the DFL Duluth Socialist Complex is the only way Duluth is growing to 90,000 under the reign of the DFL.
Vintage DFL Duluth!
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A Cadillac IS a Chevrolet…
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Well, sort of.
They’re both built by GM, and they use the same parts, other than bodyparts.
Friend of mine’s Dad worked in a GM shop years ago, and he told us that the part numbers for replacement parts in the GM catalog had two sets of numbers for each part. Same number, but on the second one, there was a “C” following the number.
Yeah, the “C” designated Caddy, and the “C” also had around a ten to twenty percent higher price. Same part, higher cost.
So, a Caddy is just a Chevy aimed at rich SUCKERS.
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Had 3 caddys in the last 8 years. Very few parts are interchangeable with chevys. Of course bolts and the such are why would that matter but caddy designs their own engines and suspensions. Other than the escalade, caddys are a breed of their own. I’m certainly not rich but enjoy the ride and feel of caddys doesnt even compare to a chevy. The only thing I have found with a c on the end is the paint because caddy uses different colors that standard gms
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That is possibly the worst of the Republican conspiracy theories. “FREE money. FREE housing. Why work? Vote DFL!” If you have ever lived anywhere near downtown, you would know that people who rely on public assistance don’t vote! Are you serious? Voting? If there’s anything that the poor in this country are concerned about, it’s definitely NOT voting. Voting and politics don’t even enter most of these folk’s heads! This just shows how out-of-touch and small worlded many Republicans truly are, if you actually think that people in poverty care about politics. Only people who have skin in the game take the time to vote.
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…skin in the game, and lots of spare time. Exhibit A: This clearly one-sided forum.
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Skin in the game is exactly it! Politicians came to my inner city neighborhood all the time with the promises of fixing this and that. Why do you think Obama won? It was the poor vote that got him elected. Many of my people that never voted did because he was black no other reason.
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“Ness said Duluth’s situation has much improved since the 1980s, when its unemployment rate climbed to nearly 20 percent, making it second only to Newark, N.J. Today, the mayor said Duluth’s 5.5 percent unemployment has remained equal to or lower than the statewide rate.”
Where did the unemployment figure coming from? Is the figure just utilizing the number of people who currently receive unemployment benefits, or does the figure include the willing worker who‘s benefits have ran out? I doubt the figure includes the number of underemployed. I wonder what would that figure would be?
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I’d rather see him clamp down on Apartment owners doing better background checks and send the current influx of welfare cases back to their origins, which certainly wasn’t here. We’d be back to 80,000 and less crime, just the way it used to be.
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All you need is a couple thousand new welfare cases from Chi-CAAAAAAAH-Guh or DEEEEEEE-troit and their sidewalk pharmacists helping to produce kids at a rate on-par with cats & it’s golden!
What can go wrong???
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It is all leading up to a big low income complex at the Central School site I tell yah.
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Has Duluth had a mayor with less vision than this one? Holy cow.
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Either the writer of the article doesn’t mention it, or Ness didn’t mention it. Jobs are only mentioned once, and taxes are not mentioned at all. The problem with Duluth is the rising taxes…errr should I say fees because that is a nicer word. Rochester is growing. St Cloud is growing, many of the suburbs of Minneapolis are growing. I believe Duluth has a well trained work-force with all the colleges. Students leave because there are very few paying good jobs in Duluth. It is that simple. However long this “agenda” he created is, it could have been simply stated on page with a couple of bullet points.
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Either the plan has no details or this is bad reporting. Then again maybe it will happen if someone in a suit stands behind a podium and some reporters show up and, at the end, everyone stands and applauds, pats each on on the back and goes home…
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I agree with the Mayor that we need to increase the population but I hope it is increased with people who are not on Welfare. It sounds bad but we need the town to increase with a population that is well educated and will put down roots here. We need them to pay taxes and not suck the system. I would like to see it increase to over 100,000 but we need to stop the system from being sucked by the people unwilling to work and would rather bring society down with them. Keep the graduates in town and lets get some decent paying jobs (not tourist ones) and build Duluth. And get rid of the casino nut-jobs while we are at it too!
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That doesn’t sound bad at all. Stop apologizing for telling it like it is. That’s one of many problems in Duluth. People are afraid to call a spade a spade, and take that any way you like.
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I don’t think Dan and I finish each other’s sentences…do you Dan?
And I will state that I am a Democrat in that I believe we should help people but for a limited time. There should not be a life time of benefits as then you get the “baby mamas” who just keep having babies to get more money. Give help for a year or two but ensure that they are receiving training, and MONTHLY DRUG TESTS, to ensure that they are starting to follow a path towards being a productive member of society.
I guess I would consider myself more independent as I believe in some policies of both of the major parties but not all.
The welfare/poverty problems in this town are a problem and we need to address them. Stop making Duluth a haven for this sort of element and we will regain the town.
Now, Dan….what did you have to say?
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Will you please? It’s on page 11 of the script, Section III, the end of the first paragraph. Sheesh. I’m not going to do this for every topic, you know.
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Duluth remains a first-class city because of the language in the statute, added in 1978, that provides that “once a city is defined to be of the first class, it shall not be reclassified unless its population decreases by 25 percent from the census figures which last qualified the city for inclusion in the class.” Duluth was last over 100,000 in the 1970s; the 1970 census for Duluth was 100,578. If Duluths population falls below about 75000 Duluth will lose its standing as a 1st class city which will dramatically limit Duluths ability to bond (borrow) for projects meaning less work for the unions that controi this city. Union owned Duluth will never let that happen even if it means importing boatloads of refugees to bouy the population numbers. Of course welfare/food/housing handouts are the easiest way to attract the leach type of population, so that is the direction the unions will pull Donny boys strings.
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Why does the Mayor only talk about population growth? Why isn’t he talking about making Duluth more business friendly and expanding the tax base by expanding a solid working class of citizens. If those things don’t happen, who cares if the population increases. I think there are enough low-life, hanger-ons in Duluth. We don’t need anymore. Just hang out downtown for a couple hours and I am certain everyone would agree. There are just too many people hanging around with nothing to do. What a city we live in.
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Let’s take a realistic look at Mayor Ness’s proposals:
1. Growth is not always good or necessary. It is the quality of life, availability of decent jobs, and availability of citizen services for fair and reasonable tax levels that make a city desirable. Its the same with business…business doesn’t need to grow to deliver quality, value and service to its shareholders and its community, and a reasonable level of profit to its shareholders. It simply needs to deliver its “products” to an existing base of customers in such a manner as to keep those customers satisfied enough to be unwilling to “switch” to a different provider.
2. If the cost of operating the city begins to exceed reasonable levels of service delivery, then of course a political leader would want “taxable” growth to cover increasing costs…if that leader is unwilling to directly address the fact the citizenry can no longer reasonably afford the cost of their government. The government employees must act in partnership with their leadersuip to mitigate these challemges. Again, it is the same with business…employees and management must cooperate to maintain acceptable levels of quality, value and service when delivering “products” to their customers. If economic resources become limited, adjustments must be made.
3. There are a wide variety of reasons people stay in a city. There are also a wide variety of reasons business is willing to stay, or ouside business is willing to relocate to a city. Those reasons are not complicated. Quality of life, reasonable paying jobs, reasonable and cost effective taxation, trustworthy government, and hardworking honest leadership are foremost in what makes a city attractive. And let’s be blunt here, those amenities must benefit and be clearly seen by the majority of the population of people and businesses. You can’t pay folks low wages with no benefits, and tax them for an art center, a zoo, an aquarium or sports venue few care about or can afford to attend on a regular basis. Nor can government employees expect taxpayers they serve to pay for wages and benefit packages exceeeding the average of the citizenry they serve.
4. Mayor Ness is smart enough to realize its not that difficult to determine the city’s operational model and see how it fits into the economic model of the area. If the fit isn’t good, adapt and retructure first…you don’t neglect those you must serve now in favor of those you dream will come. Then get some dynamics into the relationship which can drive and adapt to changes in the economic environment. Then you can work on changing that economic environment for expansion, and work on the betterment of that environment in practical and equitable ways. It takes a lot of courage to manage this way, and I see little of that courage in most of the political leadership around us today.
There are fundamentally important basic issues on Duluth’s plate, today. The city will go nowhere, for most of its people, if it doesn’t address those issues with the proper sense priority and dedication. Stop with the rhetoric, roll up your sleeves, prepare for sacrifice and get on with the job.
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Cancer is a growth too, so yes, growth is not always good.
He should speak to attracting positive, contributing residents.
The old DFL playbook of expanding those on the public dole (who are then easier to control with the $ carrot) should be seen for what it is by all now (unless they refuse to).
Same with housing. Build family homes, not welfare apartments.
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I really hope Mayor Ness reads this page. So many great opportunities to to hear what Duluth citizens need and want.
We let Geno P. move his factory out of here and things have not been the same. So many hard working people still trying to get back on thier feet. Now Cirrus wants out to go to Wi.
Mayor Ness we seem to be saying more employment opportunities. So stop trying to close yet another great employer! Fond du Luth
Come on Ness population (the right people) will come if there is work, safety and a chance for a good education. Only in my dreams will that happen again in Duluth. Duluth lacks in all areas. We can’t hire a superintendent correctly. And we’re driving businesses away. Getting the population increased should be the last thing on your mind. How about the quality of life for those here NOW!!!
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Fringe! = none DFL Views? Explain please.
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This isn’t a plan about growth at all.
86,265 currently with a goal of 90,000 means that in the next 8 years he is looking to add 3735 or 466.88 people a year. That is a curious number. Here is why.
The birth rate is 14 per 1000 in the United States per year.
The Mortality Rate is 8.2 per 1000
That leaves a net growth of 5.8 per 1000
We have 86k
86 x 5.8 = 498.8
So we should be growing by 498.8 people a year
Ness is actually setting us on course to grow as a city 7% less per year then the rest of the US.
Here is a better idea, figure out why people are leaving and solve that problem, the population will hit his goal naturally if we keep people from leaving in droves.
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Duluth, its “leaders”, and using that term makes me sick to my stomach, businesses & others need to realize that Duluth’s most important resource isn’t the lake, or the view, or the tourists, it’s the thousands of college students who make Duluth a temporary home.
Duluth needs to work with UMD & CSS to develop actual, viable housing strategies such as a Dinkytown. One idea I’d brought up is connecting W. Griggs Pl to 27th East, then having that entire area between there & Clover/Woodland/East 8th be a campus living area. With Woodland School now dead, why not? Put the land to some good use, and if the Screw Board doesn’t want to sell, eminent domain it.
The city would then also need to work with colleges to make sure that the actual number of truly employable graduates was at an adequate level. Businesses aren’t going to come here if we’re overloaded on Philosophy or 12th Century BritLit majors.
Unfortunately Duluth is a very “old”, very “GET OFF MY LAWN!” type town still, and many people can’t comprehend that the people coming out of these schools are the ones who could be in town the next 50+ years, paying taxes, raising families, NOT committing crimes. Instead they whine/cry & make students feel unwanted, all the time voting for Clowncil candidates who seek to attract the lowest common denominator of resident.
There are major, major companies that come up to Duluth’s campuses to recruit. And what happens? They give the kids a moving stipend and haul them out of town. It’s too bad nobody at City Hall can get the idea in their head to bring the businesses, keep the younger people and everyone in Duluth would be better off.
But hey, why do that when you can soak tourists? TALL SHIPS OMG!!!!
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Duluth Spock, you ask the question “Why not?” It is because of NIMBY mentality of Duluth’s residents. Many fear change, instead of embracing it.
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I know, I know. See my part about the “old” mentality. These are the same folks who still vote Democrat due to “That nice Jack Kennedy boy” and FDR. They don’t realize had JFK seen what Teddy turned into he would have beat him bloody.
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I’m trying to read between the lines and I think Loch Ness is saying if we don’t have a population grow soon all of our fiscal projections, that we have based our decision making on like new schools, Indian gaming, aquarium, potential high speed rail and such are going to fall short and everyone that stays is going to be taking it in the poopshoot. Anyone else see it this way?
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It matters not what you say or who you blame, but unless Duluth becomes willing to bring jobs within our community other than service industry type we will continue the downhill slide. 86,000 is just a number, how many of these are long term residents, how many own homes, how many pay bills with wage dollars. Give us the true value of reporting.
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Duluth is a great place. I don’t say this because it’s my birthplace, but it’s unlike any city I’ve been to. I love hearing people talk about traveliing through Duluth (seems like wherever I go, whether my hometown of Windsor, Ontario or while in Niagara Falls or Vancouver BC I meet other people born in Duluth, or had a parent born in Duluth, etc – for the size of the city, it’s got a lot of recognition. But 2012 is different. Duluth is too far from anywhere that has anything going for it. Minneapolis is 150 miles away, and that’s just too far for most people to feel comfortable. If a great job is found here, chances are it’s one of very few, and that makes one apprehensive about buying a home, having kids, or really allowing to develop a sense of ‘I’m staying here’. It would be a much different thing is Duluth was one of four cities within a half hour of each other (and all four cities were the same size of Duluth). But Duluth is it, I-35 ends there, and there’s nothing much beyond Duluth. There isn’t even a bus that goes north of there anymore.
Socially I think much of society is becoming more open minded and that’s great, but again, in Duluth, you’re SO far from a metro area where there are other young, single, professional people to get to know. I have heard at least a dozen times from 20-40 year olds that if you are single and move to Duluth, forget about meeting anyone – everyone already in Duluth typically has children and a marriage. You’ll again be looking at least a 150 mile drive to ‘date’ and ‘network’ – not many people are looking to move to a city that has no dating prospects, nothing to do for single adults without kids, and while there are plenty of University programs, the jobs are just not happening. Corporations not familiar with Minnesota will also look at the mileage factor and how far Duluth is from large markets like the Twin Cities or Chicagoland – by air, sure, it’s a cakewalk, but mileage is just too far. Had Duluth/Superior lived up to the predictions of over 100 years ago (surpassing Chicagoland in Great Lakes shipping) this would be a fascinating, vibrant, possibly one of the most culturally diverse professional areas in North America!
I wish I had a better attitude about this, but I see Duluth as being closer to the size of Hibbing’s population rather than growing to 90,000.
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I don’t live in the city of Duluth, but that doesn’t prevent me from being informed on city matters, or having an opinion.
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How can a person even run when AFSCME/MAPE, Duluth Fire etc. basically buy seats at the table? Look at Julsrud, she double-dipped fire union contributions and totally got away with it.
Then you have a person like Charlie Bell who’s able to self-finance, and the press/special interest groups run smear campaigns and ruin the man’s reputation.
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I thought I read in another lifetime ago that all this new Iron Range mining was supposed to bring in people and jobs to the Duluth industry in the form of support business for the mining. Haven’t heard that one in awhile-
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Nice to see a liberal scream class warfare.
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What are you talking about? All that Chinese crap draped over your body was shipped via water. Water is wonderfully slippery and shipping is by far the most fuel efficient way to move something. Shipping is a big positive for this area and will not be declining anytime soon.
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FYI: High speed rail does not move freight cars, only people. And the nut jobs who talk high speed rail for here are lying. With at least 6 stations along the way there will be nothing high speed about it. 2 1/2 to 3 hours each way is what the latest figures are shaking out to be. It truly is just a casino train for Hinkley and possibly Carlton.
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So, high speed rail doesn’t move freight? Where’d you ever get that idea? Could you be one of the nutjobs that are lying about it? Your six stations along the way story is a bit outdated.
And, racer, you forgot about the months when nothing can be shipped on the lakes or the river, due to ice, didn’t you. Wonderfully slick, but a bit hard to get ships through.
And I wouldn’t set foot on a boat on Superior any later than September.
“Well, the legend lives on, from the Chippewa on down, ’bout the great lake they call Gitcheegoomie”….
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Ulysses~ “And the nut jobs who talk high speed rail for here are lying.”
Sigh….Ulysses…you are one of the resident nutjobs and you’ve outdone yourself in proving that…your math that would take twice as long is predicated on just one train and that it is making all the stops. The trouble is, that isn’t how commuter trains operate and I’ve pointed this out before, so you must just be dense. Also trains have schedules, they don’t spend much time waiting for folks to board, you miss the boarding, too bad. There would be more then one train, there would be red eye’s from every station and with multiple trains they stagger the stops to just a couple of stops. Now calculate about 120MPH with just 2 stops each only being about 2 minutes and what you get? You get of course arriving in half the time without the stress or hangups with traffic etc. and time to do work or read while commute.
It’s obvious you have not a clue how commuter trains work nor the meaning of high speed, yet you feel embrazened enough in your ignorance to call others liars and nuts?
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bac: you really thing you would see box cars, flat cars and tank cars hooked onto the “high speed train? What are you smokin?
fast one: why should Duluth keep pushing for the casino train when “high speed” rail is dead all over the rest of the country? Is it because people like you are so slow to catch on to the fact that “high speed” rail is obsolete and you are living 10 years in the past? New developments in high speed transport are being developed and only you, and manufactures who have investments in old obsolete technology, are still pushing “high speed” rail. Should the casino train be built it will be obsolete before the first passenger steps foot on board and you know it…or you should know it.
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The mayor states that the 2010 census count of for Duluth was 86,265, down only 54 from the 2000 census. Checking Census Quick Facts on census.gov, the 2000 population of Duluth was 86,918. That’s a loss of 653 during the census period.
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What the statistics don’t tell is the quality of the residential shift that occurred.
Duluth may have lost 653 on paper, but what was the true influx of hard work/law abiders in, vs. crapbags out as compared to hard work/law-abiders out vs. crapbags in?
I’d bet one of Ness’s checks that the true figures are Duluth probably lost closer to 1500 +/- upstanding people and gained a LOT of detritus.
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We all know the Mayor can’t even balance his checkbook and pay his own car payments, how could you expect him to do the math with those large numbers? Oh yeah, of course he did go to Central…
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Jojo said, “The welfare/poverty problems in this town are a problem and we need to address them. Stop making Duluth a haven for this sort of element and we will regain the town.”
They hid my other comment, but truth is truth. People are comimg to Minnesota from Chicago and Detroit for a reason. And it`s NOT to work and have a job. Duluth is one of those options for moving to for them, and it is showing more and more. Be glad the Somalies stay down in the twin cities for now, because of the extra bennies they can get there, because I`ll bet Duluth is in their target zone too.
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Hard working, intellegent, employable people will not move to a city in decline like Duluth. If someone is offered a position, the first question the person will try to answer is “how secure is the job?” With Duluth on the decline to becoming another rust belt ghetto as evidenced by the exploding low income housing market, anyone on the ball will look elsewhere to live and work. The only people Duluth can attract with any success are those who come from the ghetto, bring their ghetto attitudes and behavior with them and then create in Duluth the type of ghetto they are accostomed to.
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Hey Barry, got any other races that you’re against that you’d like to toss under the proverbial bus? How about targeting the Hmong community next, or the Jews, or while we’re at it, perhaps the Irish, Italians, Germans or Swedes? I bet that when someone moves into a house in your neighborhood (god forbid they’re black!), you peer and spy on them through half closed blinds. If you’re not part of the solution, Barry, you’re part of the problem.
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And if you refuse, absolutely refuse, to acknowledge reality, you’re also part of the problem.
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In my previous post I did neglect to mention business must also be concerned about “logistics”…how to get access to decent transportation and acceptable costs for raw materials, and access to reasonably priced shipping centers for product distribution. It seems to me Duluth has this capacity: it has the harbor and it is on an interstate highway. I’m not sure how adequate the airport is for air freight. Clearly, however, there are issues in Duluth if the Postal Service considered shutting down the post office facilities located in the city.
I’m not sure what the big issue with unions is on this forum, but to any practical mind, unions will have to make reasonable and appropriate adjustments, along with management, based upon economic circumstances…or union opportunities for jobs will eventually disappear. Again, with both management and unions facing the same pressures, I think its a perfect time to develop better working relationships…but those relationships have to be focused upon reasonable and fair balance.
I suspect the problems still track back to the need for courageous and high quality leadership, on both management and union sides. However, political courage is also sorely needed. How our national political leadership continues to believe advanced societies can compete on an even basis with third world countries in the production of products or provision of services is beyond me. Those third world countries just don’t have the social infrastructure, police, fire, clean water, health care, retirement, etc.,etc. benefits most of us enjoy. That costs money, and it must be reflected in our costs of production. What we also have to look forward to, besides the present job losses in our country, is the expense of cleaning up the messes and corruption in those third world countries later. Go figure…
The folks in Duluth’s management and employee groups need to reassess the pros and cons of the city’s current demographic and marketplace dynamics, and make some factually informed decisions on what the city’s priorities should be. The difficulty must be systemic, because even the Duluth school board doesn’t seem to be showing the kind of common sense necessary to address the necessary fundamentals of providing a good basic education and prudently managing their fiscal circumstances. I’m sure most of the folks have have good intentions, but modern economic circumstances demand more from both the city and the school board.
I’d much prefer Mayor Ness stand up and tell it like it is, rather than trying roll a positive attitude ball around every issue. It just ain’t so economically, and we aren’t going to be able to go back to the “good old days” (if they ever really existed), but many good opportunities for the city are not out of reach, either.
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I’d hardly consider pointing out reality to be “racism”. I suppose it is also racist to point out the demographic differences in the prison population as well……
For liberals to call conservatives “racist” completley ignores which side is constantly bringing race into the conversation.
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To Winner~ Stop assuming everyone is an idiot and insulting our intelligence. Bac was NOT the one to bring race into this thread, it’s been hammered on repeatedly and by the neocons here from the start. Bac’s only error was calling it “veiled racism”. Every single person in Duluth knows what you conservatives are saying when bring up welfare people from Chicago. Even if the racist views constantly posted here were even true, you folks should all be embarassed. The latest census only shows 1,400 Blacks in Duluth. We all know they aren’t all on welfare, I know 5 Blacks that are in fact from Chicago and they all have professional jobs. Still, even if all 1,400 were all on welfare, that’s what’s holding back the other 84,000 here for 50 years from growing? The 1.6% of the population here? That’s the Duluthian view, seriously? Excuses and misplaced blame? It’s kinda pathetic and like said, I would be embarassed to cling to such nonsense….funny how some of you are so convinced it’s a rational excuse. Then again, racist views are never intelligence based.
Trying to proclaim that racism is vestige of liberals only makes you look not to bright. Not all conservatives are white racists, but all white racists are conservative. The constant daily racist comments on these forums aren’t from the liberals here but from the neocon parrot patrol. Have often wondered if the forums isn’t beseiged in fact by sock puppets from stormfront?
Then why you’re trying to play innocent holier then thou…you actually say….”I suppose it is also racist to point out the demographic differences in the prison population as well” Naw, that’s just the favorite argument of white supremacists to try to justify their racist views that there is a difference in behaviors based on race. It’s their argument to counter the Genome project which completely removes any argument beyond dispute that behavior is race specific.
“Any and all prejudice is merely a sign of ignorance for it shows one’s inability to understand anothers view” Bernard Campbell…
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Welfare leaches do not move to Duluth for jobs or part of the American Dream. They move here for the benefits, the social services and the free health care. Don’t you love it when liberals try to play the worn out race card at every opportunity just to try to make a case against facing reality? Enlightened citizens are laughing at you for trying to play it. Well bac you can take that worn out race card and shove it (you know where), then try facing reality for a change.
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I love how liberals are always the ones to scream class warfare, racism,and whatever other ‘ism is out there. Unions are one of the biggest causes of class warfare.
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Nessy, what is it with the ‘liberal vs conservative’ thing with you? Beleive it or not, not everything boils down to those two black and white issues. Why is it that you and the rest of your menage au trios think that everything has to be one or the other?
Oh, that’s right. Tea Party…
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Ah, whatever.
The only reason Nessy is so hot about numbers is to get a larger bite of fed money in the next cycle.
Money that will be wasted on dumb stuff.
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Looks like the Underwear Mafia (Nessopotaiam, Ulysses, WinnerWinner, etc) is still out and about. Glad to see you are doing nothing to help our community….but instead just talking crap about those of us who actually care about Duluth. Do you folks even live in Duluth…do you actually have a job??
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