by Duluth News Tribune
December 6, 2011 at 6:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
A presentation by PolyMet president to Duluth Chamber members draws Occupy and environmental activists opposed to proposed copper mine. Continue Reading
Tags: Business, downtown, Duluth Chamber, Environment, Iron Range, Politics 39 Comments »
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I totally agree- mining has ruined too many other areas with air, surface and underground pollution.
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1. I support PolyMet and other businesses that are willing to weigh the risks vs. rewards. This will create jobs and drive the economy in a positive direction.
2. I do not support Occupy. They do not support businesses, capitalism, or being a productive human being in general. They are the rot of our city, state, and country.
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Weighing the risk is what every business does. But when the risk may be adverse to someone else’s property, or the property owned by the public, we should trust the businessman’s good sense?
Yep, thats a great argument, keep it up.
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ONE – DEE – TEN – TEE. Draw it out. That’s what you are.
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Interesting that stating a fact can get a comment hidden. Someone must be scared of those facts.
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Apparently a lot of people think your point of view is nuts. Does that hurt your feelings.
As to the hide feature, you got a beef with how this site works take it up with the management.
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Another hidden post from a corporately owned “local” newspaper. Democracy in reverse, and control of the thumb buttons.
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You should take that avatar of Kennedy down. You’re disgracing the man – who by the way would never in a million years have supported Occupy, despite the fact that he was a democrat – which at that time did not mean liberal bloodsucker.
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They should go to minor’s houses and steal all their food. Then let the air out of their tires.
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Minor = Miner
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We would’nt want any good paying jobs coming into the area, might interfere with squatting on public property!
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You would think miners would be in the 99%. The occupiers ‘ whole world in upside down. Hate the miners and love the Corzines.
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Donny’s been pretty quiet about this issue. I’d like to know where he stands.
Do you stand with the miners or do you stand with the Occupiers like the President and the other leaders of your party Mr Mayor?
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He stands with his brother, who was one of the occupiers.
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Honest to God, don’t these Occutards have jobs? Who pays their bills? And yes, Mayor Ness, who DO you support?
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You have to remember that Hussein has embraced the occupy movement (in speaches at least three times) and has repeatedly called the occupy movement the Democrats answer to the Tea Party. Got to be proud of that eh, dumb-o-crats? Also you need to remember that Donny boy was Husseins campaign chairman for the Duluth area. Donny boy has his nose so far up Husseins arse that he can’t hear the stereo amy longer.
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Every person present at this action represents 25 people in this region that are slaves to low paying jobs that do not permit such luxuries as speaking up against the economic oppression imposed by the excessive consumption practices that capitalism advocates. There was only 1 person present at the lunchen that represented the 1% and he was in town giving his stump speech to the paying members of the 99%. Hear is the thing that must be made clear. All of those protesting and those attending as paying guests are together in the population that makes up the 99% .
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AA: Your illusion to the “99%” might be correct demographically-speaking, but ideologically your cute lil’ group of whiny, entitled, evicted urban campers represent less than 10% of the population.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go make a call to my investment guy. I might not have millions in the bank, but I have enough to buy a few hundred shares in Glencore.
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Ah, you guys are for the miners you say. But the story is about Polymet the company and whether they will follow the rules. If the miners do not have jobs it is because the company would not meet the rules. And they may not meet the rules because it would cut into profits, can’t lose a percentage point or two for the environment when greed is at stake.
And I find it amazing that the local blowhards would use the same argument as Massey Energy did when they said safety restrictions would mean fewer jobs. Today is the day that Massey was hit with a $209 million dollar fine for killing 29 miners! They used the same arguments as those above to keep breaking rules to enhance profit.
Would miners rather be unemployed or dead? Ask the folks who worked for Massey.
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Frankay: You’re actually going to compare coal mining to the mining of metals?
Apples and oranges, Sunshine. Your argument has no basis. You’re comparing safety regulations to environmental regulation. HUGE difference.
Bringing an ideological squirt gun to a gun fight isn’t a good idea, Frankly.
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How many jobs for how many years and then after that you are left with polluted land, and air. I am not supportive od the occupiers, but am against the mining.
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Fine as long as you are prepared to live without the products from mining. But you need to be willing to live like they did in 900 ad.
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Mine as well get used to living like they did back in 900 A.D. As our fossil fuel economy grinds to a halt, so will all the strip malls and iron mines that depend on it. The only reason all these old-timer conservatives support mining and big-business is because they won’t live long enough to deal with the repercussions.
Personally, I have had a change of mindset as of late. I, in fact, do support sulfide mining. And I support deregulating every aspect of mining, too. Let them show us how honest and ethical for-profit industries can be. Only after our groundwater is poisoned, our rivers run with sewage, and our children are dying of asthma will people wake up from their politically moderate stupor. These ultra-right corporate conservatives want us to all work for minimum wage with the standard-of-living and environmental deregulation comparable to China, all just so they don’t miss out on another dollar.
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Sounds better then I could hope for.
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Well said, Merv. Looks like your comment struck a nerve and got hidden. Fossil fuels and our precious metals won’t last forever, and if big business has their say, no fresh water.
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The mine will pass and open. Mainly because “Range Rumpers” are willing to take it up the butt for short term gain, passing the polution to the future, and doing only phisical labor jobs, which they think is a future for “minnow pickers”.
The politicians know it, and are willing to sell off anyones property to apease the corp structure who foots the bill for their election campains.
Facts are facts.
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Barry, use spell check, please!
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Maybe the people against copper mining should pull the wiring out of their houses and if their plumbing is copper pull that out too. Then those of us who like living in the 21st century will have copper even though they aren’t doing any new mining.
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While it is true that the 14, 12, and 10 AWG wiring inside our homes is copper, the main lines coming in are all aluminum. And plumbing in homes in the 21st century are PVC.
As far as your electronics go, there’s actually very little CU involved, except for the plating on leads and so on. Circuit boards are sometimes plated with copper, but wherever contact points are, usually, silver or gold. Some platinum. Most of the metals in an electronic device are lead/tin, otherwise known as solder.
This summer’s surges in the price of CU are already starting to drop off, due to the lack of buyers in Asia.
Aluminum has to be mined too. Aluminum is cheaper but it’s not as good as an electrical conductor as aluminum. All the metals are mined. The Homestake gold mine at Lead, Sd was a huge open pit mine. PVC pipe is made from petroleum and the drilling for oil has it’s own enviromental problems.
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That was supposed to be aluminum is not as good an electrical conductor as copper.
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I prefer my soda to come from an aluminum can vs. a copper one.
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The raw materials in PVC include oil, which is mined. Not that I mind. I understand that materials which we mine are fundamental to our way of life an infrustructure. The process of which creates and drives industry forward. The earth has cleansed its air and water for millions of years and it will continue to do so for millions more, long before and long after mankind made any sort of dent.
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I agree with you Josiah. My point was that we all depend on these materials that we extract from the earth. Recycling is fine but with the population increasing we need to mine materials that are necessary for a modern lifestyle. Is the proposed copper mine within the Duluth city limits and if not what business is it of the Duluth Chamber? Wouldn’t it be more of a State of Minnesota issue?
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Actually, the majority of materials we now use are recycled since it’s far cheaper to recycle than to start up a blast furnace to refine raw ore. And, other than the few jobs a mine creates for a short term, how many jobs are created, or sustained, when the raw ore is sent overseas for refining?
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Even if all that is true it still doesn’t answer my question of what does this have to do with the Duluth Chamber if the mine isn’t in the Duluth city limits. It might concern the county the mine would be in but certainly not Duluth’s Chamber of Commerce.
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Why is there no mention of Donny’s little brother occupation of the Chamber office, and grilling David Ross, on video, on youtube.
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Could someone, anyone, please tell me why David Ross is still the head of the Duluth Chamber after about 15 years?!? All of the success stories? One, maybe? I am willing to listen, but the advocate for the private sector is really looking like more of a government bureaucrat to me…..
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It`s easy to tell who are the “range rumpers” in this topic.
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