by Grand Forks Herald
November 1, 2011 at 5:30 am in Grand Forks Herald
Spirit Lake Tribal Council representatives announced this morning legal action has been taken against the NCAA over the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. Continue Reading
Tags: Fighting Sioux nickname, NCAA, spirit lake, UND, updates 90 Comments »
This is exactly what should have happened years ago – just hope it isn’t too late. They need national publicity to put the NCAA under the microscope – cockroaches don’t like bright lights.
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Is this some twisted episode of the Twilight Zone?
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Apparently UND’s hockey team doesn’t like bright lights either.
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I heard that there were a payment promised to Spirit Lake Tribe members, in the event that the Fighting Sioux Nickname was not abolished. Does anyone have more information about that?
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Not true. No pay for name. But……..I would like to see UND and the Ralph use this naming rights issue and the dollars that this great symbol generates in a positive manner. If we could keep the name and agree to use some of the money from sales of “The Fighting Sioux” logo for Native American Students scholarships regardless of Tribal affiliation and State residence, that would be a good thing. UND is and should continue to be the nations leader of Native American College education. The NCAA should use UND as an example of how a State University could and should enhance minority education. The NCAA has an opportunity to lead, instead it is stuck in the 60′s trying to relive the Civil Rights movement. Move on NCAA, its time to be proactive. This is your time to use your “power” for good. Listen to the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe, they want to grow from this incident. Swallow your misplaced pride and join the half-full generation.
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Sounds like a lie from some disingenuous pig that is practicing a smear campaign instead of addressing the issue…..
Democrats do it all the time
See HERMAN CAIN
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Sorry…I meant Liberals….
Not Democrats..No, no ….they wouldn’t do something like that….
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“Sounds like a lie from some disingenuous pig that is practicing a smear campaign instead of addressing the issue….. [Liberals/democrats] do it all the time”
Does that make you a democrat/liberal? “Fullofcraperton” and “$300K Kelly” sound familiar?
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Well..I use Fullocrap…butI like FullOfcraperton too.
And no….not the same.
I am not sure….but I don’t think anyone believes he is a human that is completely full of $hit….but then again….maybe.
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The mighty Sioux Nation has every legal right to pursue the preservation of their name. The NCAA with its discriminatory and unequal treatment of its own rules for member schools needs to be reminded that US law cannot be ignored and that they cannot hide behind their so called voluntary membership argument. This organization discriminates against people, race and ethnic backgrounds. They apply their rules as they see fix in inconsistent ways. The only way to stop their actions is by one of the groups being discriminated against to use the court system. I support the Sioux 100% and I hope that the NCAA is found to be in direct violation of US law as it relates to equal treatment as to race, creed, color, gender and sexual orientation. They (the NCAA) also have problems with Trademark and restriction of trade statutes.
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You’re missing one thing…Spirit Lake isn’t a member of the NCAA. UND is. This suit goes nowhere, and takes money away from issues that should be addressed (alcoholism, education, disease) and gives it to lawyers. Way to go, Spirit Lake committee members. You’re the ones acting dishonorably.
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Well said. The NCAA is going against everything they said they were trying to get rid of (distress to the Native American tribes, etc.) with this ridiculous action of theirs. Hopefully, they will listen to the will of the people they claim to want to represent, and allow the name to continue and flourish.
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Just change the name to University of North Dakota Sandbaggers and be done with it. Sandbagging is more of North Dakota’s heritage anyways, they do it every spring.
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Nonsense. You support the “Sioux” who agree with you and ignore and dismiss the ones you don’t agree with…as all “Sioux fans” have done for 30 years. We never heard anything about “listening to the Indians” until SOME of them started saying the right things. You people have no credibility. None.
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I can’t understand why this group at Spirit Lake doesn’t try to come to an understanding with those at Standing Rock.
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Not sure what you are trying to imply with your statement … the tribal council @ Standing Rock has NEVER let its members vote on logo/nickname issue. Where the Spirit Lake tribal members voted 2 to 1 in favor of keeping the logo and nickname.
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Then maybe this group from Spirit Lake should have a dialogue with the tribal council at Standing Rock.
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They didn’t because they do not have to,,,,it’s not part of their constitution. It’s not a democracy. The Council makes the decisions, like it or not. Don’t blame the SR council for not letting the people vote. blame them for not being leaders and understanding the importance of the name like the SL Council did.
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Thats easy: Standing Rock has been against the nickname since the 1960s. Spirit Lake has not. They have always agreed to disagree. Now they can’t.
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not true, if the leaders from Standing Rock were against the name in the 1960′s then why did the have a sacred ceremoney granting perpetual permission for the use of “Fighting Sioux”?
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Glen: Sacred ceremony took place in the 1930s. We went over the history on another thread. There is a great timeline on UND website as well as another site put up by supporters.
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sorry but you are wrong on that. In 1969 a cerimony was held the use of the name granted and the President on UND was named an honorary member of the Standing Rock tribe and granted an Honorary Sioux name as part of it.
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Standing Rock has never been against the nickname. Where do you get your information? If their tribal council would actually allow the population to vote, they would see that 65% to 70% of their tribe are in favor of the nickname remaining. But since the tribal council doesn’t WANT that, they will not allow the vote. Plain & simple.
There are nearly 300 other schools on a high school, college, and professional level that use Native American’s as mascots. Why is UND any different?
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Because UND CHOOSES to be part of the NCAA. Don’t like the rules, don’t join. Another court battle lost before it ever begins. This issue has been fought in the courts twice in the last decade. In both cases the NCAA won “with prejudice.” I suspect the lawsuit will be thrown out in the first round.
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That is correct, neither UND nor the state of ND can, but the Spirit Lake Tribe was not part of the negotiations or the agreement. They are not signatories to it. The previous agreement has no standing as it relates to the tribe. In fact that is one of their claims against the NCAA.
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I see your point Glen, and agree. BUT that still does not obligate UND or the State Board to do anything. Spirit Lake is simply one stakeholder among many.
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the tribe is not trying to force UND or ND to do anything. The damages they want are from the NCAA. They could in the judgement and get a big check and the the name could still be retired in the university chooses to do so.
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There are millions and millions of people that can use apostrophes correctly. Native American’s as mascots? Go back to your backwater HS.
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A big problem with keeping the nickname is that if we do an epic nickname battle would undoubtedly break out again in the near future. This is what history has told us. For instance, if we would play a team, like the Cowboys, that would portray conquering an Indian we are in yet another multi-year debacle. If a tomahawk chop gets thrown, we are right back in debate. This IS what happens and it will happen again.
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Good try Chris, but you can’t fight stupid with stupid. 99.9% of the people are respectful. Who’s t say all Native American people are respectful. The world doesn’t revolve around the .1%, we need to do what is right and denounce wrong when we see it. Concentrate on the good and don’t acknowledge the tiny but loud negative crowd.
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Has anyone seen Florida State’s ad in the Oct. 2011 edition of Delta Skymiles? Reasonably shocking.
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Here is one of the sports headlines yesterday: Indians Acquire RHP Lowe From Braves.
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I urge everyone to contact your legislature and implore them to vote against the bill to remove the Fighting Sioux nickname.
The fight isn’t over yet…
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I was upset when I first heard the Sioux were getting involved this late in the game. I was hoping we could move forward with retirement and put all this behind us. But after reading the Lawsuit Fact Sheet, I must say they raise some very compelling arguments. That being said, the only thing that really matters now is what is the Big Sky’s next move?
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What can they say. It is the tribe who filed the lawsuit. UND had no say in it. Just like the NCAA refused to listen to the tribe. They make some very compelling arguments. And I dont have a horse in this race I am a Bison fan.
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Sioux logo controversy has as many ups and downs as the stock market.
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Forgive me if I’m wrong, but don’t teams generally use a nickname for positive reasons? I assume “The Fighting Sioux” was chosen out of admiration for the strength and courage of the Sioux people who are native to the area the school calls home. If the inclusion of “Fighting” in the name causes the Sioux nation to feel misrepresented as picking fights or attacking innocents, then drop that part of the nickname. I’m of Norwegian descent and don’t feel at all violated by the use of Viking mascots, even if they are portrayed as battle-loving. Vikings are used as mascots because they were fierce and strong. That’s what athletic teams want to emulate. Only those actively looking for an issue would be offended. No disrespect is implied in either the “Fighting Sioux” or the “Vikings.” If it boils down to a money issue, form a means to donate some of the profits generated by the use of the nickname to the Sioux nation. I can’t imagine UND is taking away profits that would be generated by the Sioux, themselves, but they (UND) are making money using their (Sioux) name. There are plenty of teams using Native American themes as their nicknames and logos who have worked out agreements with the groups involved. Surely there is some way to make things agreeable in this case, too.
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I don’t understand why it has taken this long to take this sort of action. This should have been done years ago! Also, all of the billboards about saving the nickname, I don’t get. It is isn’t the people of Grand Forks and areas around here who are against the name. Why not put a billboard up across the street of the NCAA building!
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I think there are a lot of locals who have jumped on the bandwagon with the NCAA since there are so many people reading these comments and giving thumbs down to anything pro-nickname.
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because the NCAA could not care less about the Sioux…
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One of the comments indicated that this suit was frivilous. I don’t know that I would that far however I am still not quite sure what the Spirit Lake tribe has to GAIN from this lawsuit. Best case scenario, they win and save the name and are out a ton of money. Worst case scenario they lose the case and are out a ton of money.
What do they have to gain? They get to be proud that a logo is used at a local university? I’m not part of their tribe but if I were I would be VERY AGAINST the use of tribe funds to pursue something that gets them very little in the end.
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Well …I am sure you would be against it….who do these people think they are?
Standing up for themselves….don’t they realize ….that is for the limousine liberals to do FOR THEM.
They should just shut up and do what they are told by the liberal elite..
….thinking for themselves….that’s scary.
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Alwayscorrect…. Not sure why you make this into some sort of political thing (i.e. Conservative vs. Liberal). At the end of the day I don’t see what the SL tribe has to gain after all of this.
It’s not like UND is going to reimburse them for their lawsuit.
This is nothing more than misguided leadership within the Tribe. Certainly there are more important things than to be known to the country as the tribe behdind the UND nickname. That money should be used in ways that can actually HELP their people instead of something as insignficant as a nickname.
Schools, Roads, Healthcare, etc, etc, etc. These are all INFINATELY more important than having a nickname.
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Well lets see the legal services are being donated, They are claiming 10 million in damages and punative damages determined by the court. So if they win the tribe stands to get 10,000,000.00+ from the NCAA and UND can keep the name. I think the tribe does have something to gain here.
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i’d still like to know when the NCAA is going to go after Notre Dame for the use of the “Fighting Irish” nickname? How is “Fighting Sioux” hostile and abusive, yet “Fighting Irish” isn’t? I thougth this was all about equality, not just some political correctness motivated scheme that ignores those that they’re allegedly trying to help. Irish immigrants were treated very poorly, discriminated against, and held to the status of 2nd class citizens when the large numbers of them came over in the late 19th and early 20th century. Where’s the uproar over their plight? As a person of Irish descent, I demand that the NCAA take action immediately to correct this injustice.
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Notre Dame did get the blessing of Government Officials in Ireland.
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Because Notre Dame brings in millions of $$$$$$ in TV money. That is the ONLY difference. I too am offended by Notre Dame’s mascot. “Fighting Irish” is hostile and abusive, and their logo of a man with fists up in an aggressive, fighting manner is also hostile and abusive. The logo is a direct slap in the face to victims of abuse everywhere. The mascot glorifies the act of fighting and aggression, bullying and intimidation. These principles alone are the very definition of “hostile and abusive”
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This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue singing it forever just because…This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue singing it forever just because…This is the song………………………..
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I read this piece of horse manure and threw up in my mouth. Let me get this right: a “nation” that has an 80% unemployment rate, 80% alcohol and drug abuse dependency rate, a diabetes epidemic that is killing its members faster than the plague in the middle ages or the AIDS epidemic in the gay community, and a complete loss of purpose and hope has the time and money to wage a court battle with an outside entity over something that members of their own tribe caused (guess Spirit Lake thinks it is the only legitimate voice of the Sioux people)? Like I said, I threw up in my mouth.
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As I have said before the only ones profiting from the logo fight now are the lawyers who will laugh all the way to the bank! The NCAA , if they respond to the lawsuit at all, will probably just make a law that says NO native american imagery, names, etc are allowed and the rest of the teams like the Seminoles will have the SL tribe to thank for that. If the SL doesn’t like the new law, they just have to look at the name, fighting sioux, its doesn’t say SL so they don’t have a legal leg to stand on and what comes next every Sioux tribe that doesn’t like the name, (SL is the only tribe that wants the name) here come more lawsuits. The only ones who are being hurt are the SL people who are seeing their valuable money going for wasteful efforts like a nickname. The NCAA is a private group, they have their own rules if you don’t like them you get out of the game, SL is forcing UND out of the game. Very sad to see that SL would sacrifice their selfish needs at the expense of a great University.
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The NCAA can not ignore the lawsuit. If they do that they would risk a summary judgment against them. Judges and the courts do not take contempt lightly and tend to be very harsh in such cases.
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When Devils Lake had to get rid of it’s Satan nickname the reason from these same politically correct people was because it was “honoring” Satan.
The thing I like the best about what this group of people is doing is that for once in the great country of ours a small tribe from ND is finally standing up to the political elitists and saying enough. Contrary to your minority misguided view, we see things different and we’re willing to stand up and fight for that difference. Nothing could be more basic American than that!
I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor as only these people whom the logo and nickname represent can save it. Isn’t this why UND has your nickname in the first place? Fighting Sioux warriors once again taking on a monsterous challenge.
GO FIGHTING SIOUX!!!
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Rick, you the man brother.
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It will be interesting to see the NCAA’s response to the Dakota Sioux lawsuit. I’m no attorney or legal expert, but have great respect for Mr Soderstrom & Mr Caldis. The issue & the amount seem huge to many of us, but the NCAA is used to being sued for $100′s of millions about issues that relate to, well, money. This issue has to do about Pride & Self-worth & Self-defermination: issues that the PC Left has a track record of disinterest & disrespect. I’m quite sure that this issue has brought together many people that would never have had the chance to meet, for me, that is a beautiful thing!
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Jim asks, “why now”? Drew makes a good point. Most of the rest of today’s comments are rehashing the same old stuff. Why now? Here’s a thought: This group sues the NCAA just before the legislature meets. Some individual legislators will likely change their vote because of this suit. So, even if the courts find that this group has no horse in this race, the timing of the action has made a difference by impressing Bismarck. Although the issue never got challenged in court, many (including me) believed the legislature had no legal stake in this either. The NCAA completely underestimated the true stamina of the proud and steadfast people of North Dakota.
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The lawyer says this lawsuit will take years to resolve, UND can flush the Big Sky down the toilet. Unbelievable that SL is so selfish that they would put themselves above all the students and athletes at UND, wow, just wow.
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Grandforkian: you are over reacting. Spirit Lake has no effect on UND whatsoever. They cannot force UND to retain or retire the nickname. They are simply a stakeholder. Everyone pro nickname acts like their word is Holy Writ because it serves their purpose, but in fact it is just one more voice in a chorus of voices. Sorry, they don’t even get the lead part.
The decision to retain or retire lies where it always has: the State Board of Higher Education. Al Carlson’s legislation was unconstitutional. Everyone knows it. The legislature’s only recourse is to defund UND and I doubt they will do that.
Spirit Lake are trying to make themselves appear more important than they are. They are impotent without a Viagra tablet in sight. This is just publicity.
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flyingnurse: what you say seems accurate. Yet, here we are, the SBE quickly and errantly overreacted and followed this law. Now, we are at a standstill. Is it so far-fetched that the legislature will overreact to this current suit and not pass a bill? North Dakota is literally the last dog in this fight, more than three years after UND settled it. Some call that courageous. To say what is coming next is anybody’s guess.
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No, grandforkian, it is never too late for justice. The NCAA and Big Sky should not only honor the right the Sioux have to take this action, they should support that right by insuring that the Sioux and UND are protected from any sanctions until due process has had a chance to play out. I can live with justice that is distributed equally under the law of this land but up until now the NCAA has deemed and appointed itself judge and jury on this issue. Lets see if the highest courts in the land support their claim. Then and only then will I be respectful of a decision.
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What does Big Sky have to gain from that other than miring itself in the controversy? I have always said that this issue is an issue for the people who bear the name of Sioux to either approve of or deny. I wish them well in their endeavor, but I like others feel it is a lot of nothing to late to the game and a political maneuver on their part.
But all we can do is wait for this to play out and see where it takes us and pray that the school and their ability to obtain talented athletes aren’t effected.
Oh and inbeforealwayscorrectsayssomethingaboutalcornstate.
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Bully: you really need to read your posts to yourself out loud before hitting send. Truth, Justice, and the American Way? Are you Superman?
ONCE MORE FROM THE TOP: The NCAA is a private club. If we don’t like their rules it is up to us to quit; not whine until they change their ways to suit our preferences.
Second: Spirit Lake is one small and largely inconsequential group of Sioux. They are no where near the largest group of Sioux. They voted to keep the nickname. The other group of Sioux named in the original lawsuit voted twice to get rid of it.
You can’t pretend an election didn’t take place just because you don’t like the outcome.
This is simply Spirit Lake doing someone else’s bidding. You don’t honestly think they came up with this prank on their own do you?
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I hope you are right flying nurse! The Native American Community, has already turned their backs on the SL, every Native American tribe in the United States, every Native American organization in the United States has supported the retirement of the nickname, and sees the SL as just puppets of the whites who cannot let go of the nickname, namely REA. The SL are just a shameful group that forget what the whites have done to them, the whites didn’t care when they were freezing in the winter, the whites didn’t care when they watched their families die from alcohol and drug abuse, the whites didn’t care when their young people killed themselves because they had no hope for their futures, the fighting sioux nickname didn’t save the SL then and it won’t save them now or ever in the future.
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Have you ever had interactions with the tribal leadership of SDpirit Lake? Believe me they are a proud people and no one can force them or use them as pawns. Try that and you would be out of their country very fast… by force in needed.
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Glen, I spend quite a bit of time on Reservations, we fly there routinely. I have also lived on the Rez when I was doing some work for Indian Health Service. As I had to remind “Always Right” earlier, American Indians are not an abstraction or caricature to me. They are real people, which is why I am not shy about pointing out the problems they face. I doubt many people on this board can say the same.
If you honor the Sioux nation, but do not know any personally, does your honor have any meaning? If your heart hurts over the condition modern indians find themselves, but do nothing to stem the tide of alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic violence, suicide, and gangs, is your hurt worthwhile? Native Americans do not need a mascot, they need a way out.
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flyingnurse I work with those issues on the res every week 52 weeks a year.
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This was a liberal press field day not long ago. The tribes should have been more forward and loud back then. By not taking action earlier they lost the right to ask now. UND should pull all support in the form of native American studies programs, special scholarships, etc. Being 1/16, or 1/32 NA should not entitle you to live off the taxpayers and have a free education. I think the primary reason many are questioning this now is they see a potential decrease in the freebees. Less gravy train gets their attention and starts the squeaky wheel in motion I guess. Too little too late.
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WOW! David Duke is that you?
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Good one, bully. short and to the point.
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Amidst all this, anyone else notice the Herald has issued a “news release ANNOUNING lawsuit”?
Way to proofread, as usual, Herald.
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It’s never to late. Keep on fighting.
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I will reiterate what I said above: Spirit Lake is simply doing someone else’s bidding. Does anyone really think they came up with this publicity stunt on their own? Really?
Like Deep Throat said during Watergate: Follow the money….
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flyingnurse says “Spirit Lake is simply doing someone else’s bidding. Does anyone really think they came up with this publicity stunt on their own? Really?”
for some reason it sticks in my head.
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Well North Dakota politicians too bad this ugly mess isn’t going away anytime soon. I’ve said before and I’ll say again, two years from now it will stilled be a hotly disputed issue.
Meantime other college sports recruiters are having so overwhelmed with joy they can’t believe it. A college athlete only has 3 years to play and they sure aren’t coming to UND GF
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I certainly hope you are wrong Skater.. That has been my fear as well since the school was not able to meet the stipulations of the agreement. I seriously am hoping though that Big Sky doesn’t make good on their threats to not grant UND access. But then as a conference quite honestly they can make up any reason to deny someone access.. They denied NDSU because they were ‘to far out of the way’.. UND is even further out of the way and yet the controversy continues.
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No they denied NDSU because the confrence was not looking for or considering new members at that time. That change when the Big Sky lost some members.
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Skate or die, dude!
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For now it’s best the legislature overturn the law and UND move ahead with no nickname until this gets settled. If it gets settled they can always renew the nickname or at least keep it as an honorary nickname. The other way option for seeing that justice is served is that the NCAA mandates that ALL universities have to remove their native american nickname. I think Big Money will have something to say about that.
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Al Carlson, Jack Dalrymple, and SL Tribal Council; they all seem to be delusional when concerning the Fighting Sioux nickname or maybe they’re just pretentious a-holes. I’ll choose the latter of the two. As an enrolled member and also a UND student I believe this whole lawsuit is downright ludicrous, as well as very embarrassing. On the university level, believe it or not, this is an non-issue. It’s pretty cut and dry. There are certain ramifications of retaining the nickname that will inevitably hurt the university. It’s clearly evident that we understand that here at the university, because after all we are the ones who will be affected by it. Needless to say the sheer ignorance off people in regard to this issue is really astonishing.
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As a two time UND student (hopefully I will graduate in May, but no guarantees), all I can say is: AMEN.
I liken them (nickname supporters who have never attended UND) to the jelly donut eating, semi-alcoholic, fat F&&6% that cried about not being able to see because the students in the STUDENT SECTION AT A COLLEGE HOCKEY GAME stood up. That fact that the university backed them up because the management at REA were afraid to offend season ticket holders resulted in a 25% decrease in my end of life endowment (I am an OLD graduate student) and a nasty letter to the alumni association.
If this nonsense goes on much longer, I will withdrawal another 25%. It is not the $110 million that Ralph gave, but I do agree with him that you put your money where your mouth is.
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I’m curious to know what is going to happen with the Big Sky conference and UND. The BSC has said they don’t want to have distractions/issues with the Sioux name before they let UND in the conference. Since this is in the court system, and it sounds like it may be in there for awhile, will the Big Sky balk at allowing them in? If so, this could haunt UND for a looooong time. Who says other conferences don’t feel the same way as the Big Sky? Then what do they do? Unfortunately, this could be devastating for the school!
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Do the athletic conferences that the Florida Seminoles, Utah Utes, Illinois Illini et al belong to suffer negative consequences because of their Native American names? They don’t. All the BSC needs to do is confer with them for perspective on the issue. If the BSC is coherent they will not let the Sioux issue cloud their judgement and go ahead & admit the Sioux.
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Their conferences don’t worry because none of those schools is facing sanctions, UND is. Those schools met the requirements the NCAA put in front of them to use the names, UND did not.
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gee whiz….I thought this issue was settled?
I have explained this before…the NCAA policy says that the use of Native American imagery is Hostile and Abusive.
You explain how it is hostile and abusive for UND and not Florida?
Now if you say…cause they voted on it….well…can’t help you.
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und should just goto NAIA and keep the name and hockey.
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UND has a hockey team? club team?
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Why don’t you just give in to the PC Police and change the mascot to University of North Dakota Native Americans? The NCAA can’t possibly criticize you for that, that would be discrimination as American Indians are a protected class.
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Always, Florida doesn’t have a nickname problem- they are known as The Gators.
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