by Duluth News Tribune
September 24, 2011 at 5:53 am in Duluth News Tribune
Hope the bear is missing, and biologist Lynn Rogers fears the worst. Continue Reading
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OMG!!! Definitely deserves the “Breaking News” banner…..
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The media also made this bear famous. And yes, it does deserve BREAKING NEWS!!!! banner.
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There is a large community that rallies around these bears and lynn rogers. Some people may not understand it or think its cool but its a fun activity for them that is neather bothersome nor harmful to others. My heart goes out to those that watched and loved Hope for the past 2 years of her life.
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Over 29,000 kids have died in Somalia the last 90 days and some dumb dead bear is “breaking news”…where are our priorities I wonder?
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Good! Now we can go on to naming other bears and adopting them in our hearts. When will people learn these are wild animals, not pets.
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I don’t believe anyone put a leash on them and took them for a walk. They were being studied in the wild. People all over the world were interested in them.
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The DNT continues with their dead bear obsession. Third story in about the last two weeks about a killed bear. And this time, I guess they feel a little bad about the bear. The previous two stories were all LOOK AT THE DEAD BEAR ON THE FRONT PAGE ISNT THAT COOL!!!???
Oh, I forgot, harvested, not killed! And yes, the killer was a “hunter” – he risked life and limb by setting out his jelly donuts and hiding out behind a tree! Brave fellow no doubt, especially if he was targeting this particular bear. What a man!
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1. Does not deserve breaking news distinction.
2. I can’t believe I’m wasting my time reading this.
3. Perhaps the bear is running away from Lynn Rogers. Lord knows that’s what I would do.
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1. This is breaking and sad news to the thousands of people, teachers, and students worldwide who have folled this bear family over the past 2 years
2. No one is forcing you to read this story
3. This sarcastic comment is pathetic
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Breaking News: Maybe if these teachers and students focused more on academia that was more relevant to society we wouldn’t have the lowest test scores in the modern world.
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Josiah Bartlet… Breaking News: A good teacher teaches, a great teacher inspires. Some of us teach more than “to the test”. We teach globally.
“The ascent to nature begins in childhood, and the science of biology is therefore ideally introduced in the earliest years. Every child is a beginning explorer naturalist. Hunter, gatherer, scout, treasure seeker, geographer, discoverer of new worlds, all these are present at the child’s inner core, rudimentary perhaps but straining for expression. Through time immemorial children were reared in intimate contact with natural environments. The survival of their tribe depended on a close, tactile knowledge of wild plants and animals . . . To be a naturalist is not just an activity but an honorable state of mind. Those who have expressed its value and protected living Nature are among America’s heroes . . . A child’s mind opens to living Nature early. If stimulated, it then unfolds in stages that strengthen the bond to nonhuman life.”
The topic is relevant to society. It’s called coexistence.
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During hunting season in the great northwoods, there really isn’t anything called “coexistence”. There is simply hunter and prey. That won’t change, no matter how much Rogers and his followers would like it to be different.
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Now this is a lead story on the DNT rotator. Truly pathetic.
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Bears are game animals and they are hunted. Duluthian are you a anti hunter it sounds like it. If so I got news for you hunters provide more money towards game and non game species and game habitat then any of the anti hunting groups combined.
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Amazing jh45 ~~ as a member of NRDC, Sierra Club, Audbon Society and National Wildlife Federation it amazes me how you think hunters spend more money protecting our land,,look at the stats more money is spent on watching wildlife and purchasing wildlife items than any hunter ever spends,, oh of course now you will label me as a tree hugger you bet ! I plan on protecting our environment,,,
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Aren’t we lucky hunters are saving the world one bullet or arrow at a time?
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I was so fortunate to have been able to have watched Hope, Faith and Jason’s birth. My class and I heard the first cries of Faith and Jason this January. They fell in love with them the instant they heard that first cry and have worked so hard to let people know how important it is to continue this research program. They love their bears. It broke my heart to tell them about little Jason. They were so upset. They didn’t quite understand the finality of it all. I was able to explain that as the natural life cycle. The coyote had babies that they too loved and needed to feed. They saw Jason as food, survival of the fittest, hard as it is, this is the natural cycle of life in the wilderness. But this…. this is NOT NATURAL! This is exactly what I wrote to DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr about last March. How do I now explain this to my 7 year olds who have learned not only about black bears, but about nature’s life and death, about having a sense of community, what “paying it forward” does for you and those you help, and that you really can honor something you treasure with all your heart, by using your voice through government, hence our MN State Mammal Bill. I hope Mr. Landwehr has advice for me… because I’m at a loss.
A HUGE LOSS!
First Grade Teacher
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Advice? Maybe be a little more realistic with your students. Teach them every aspect of what goes on in the woods, not just the parts that make you feel good. I don’t hunt, never have, but I understand that lots of other people do and that hunters make valuable contributions to wildlife management just like environmentalists do. And in the end, we’re talking about animals. You can assign all the human attributes you like to them, but they’re still animals. The fact that you fell in love with them doesn’t change that. They’ll never care one way or the other.
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Dan H. I agree with you too. I do teach them all aspects of the woods. That hunting is a part of management of a herd. It is also a food source for many. The kids know that they are wild animals and that the bears will never want them around or as you said even care. BUT, these kids DO care. If we don’t put a human emotion on things we are interested in we won’t learn from it, we won’t know how to understand it, because we are humans. Humans have emotions. I couldn’t make a bear understand how I feel about them…. but I can make a child understand a topic by using their emotions and senses. That’s how we as people learn. Always have and always will. No matter what the topic, your emotions and sense teach you, because that’s what we understand. You work on your car that you “love” yet your car won’t love you back. You polish it and store it in a warm place in the winter and some even name “her”. You are giving that car human emotions. You bonded with that car. It didn’t bond with you. Yet you want to learn ALL YOU CAN about your car… that doesn’t care about you, so you can care about her.?? Same thing with these bears. They bonded with these bear… the bears didn’t bond with the kids. Yet the kids want to learn ALL THEY CAN about the bears. Makes sense now doesn’t it.
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Personally, I reserve my “human emotions” for human relationships. I also don’t “bond” with inanimate objects. Do I value some of my possessions? Sure. Do I name my objects? Do I wish to get some reciprocation of emotion from these objects? No. Never have, never want to.
What you’re teaching these kids is potentially destructive. Appealing to a child’s sense is completely understandable; pulling on a first grader’s heartstrings as part of a lesson plan is another, and totally unacceptable. Small children shouldn’t be emotionally-invested in the well-being of wild animals FOR THIS VERY REASON. Animals die, and it ususally isn’t a happy, kid-friendly version of death–be it predators making a meal of them, roadkill, sickness/disease, old age or starvation.
Heck, now that I list off the ways animals die, taking a bullet and never feeling a thing seems far more humane than any of the aforementioned methods of demise.
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Teach them that there is a food chain, and that humans are above bears on it. Good lord, I’m at a loss to see how dumb our elementary teachers are.
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What would they do if a lion killed a human?
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If a lion killed a human, that lion even though it’s a predator, would be hunted and killed for killing a human. So much for the circle of life theory. The circle of life thing doesn’t seem to apply to humans.
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So, your okay about teaching how to kill them, but not how they live. Sounds one-sided to me. ” Humans are above bears” That might change someday and humans will be lower on the food chain.
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So let me get this straight. If a coyote or a wolf kill a bear, deer, or any other animal this is just a beautiful piece of the circle of life. If a human kills a bear, deer, or any other animal for food it is a travesty? I am sorry, but like it or not we are just another predator in your circle.
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Sorry, but a wolf or coyote does not set out bait and then hide behind trees and bushes. No, it is real hunt — but also remember that the wolf & coyote often take the weakest one, often old and unable to survive, or sick or injured — not the young, cream of the crop. I am not against hunting, just ask you make it a real hunt — not shoot an animal standing there looking you in the eye. And I am not sure why bear baiting is allowed, while shinning deer is not. I also wonder if she is really being eaten [or was it just for her pelt?]. Some remarks are obviously made by people who have never known the love of an animal.
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If the coyote was smart enough to put out bait and the weak, sick, or stupid prey decides to fall for it, good for the coyote I say.
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Josiah, so if a stupid human went swiming with crocs. and got eaten why would they blame the croc. for doing what came natural? Turn about is fair play right?
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I totally agree with you kerroz, hunting is legal and we are predators in the circle of life. I do tell the kids that. My point is, and obviously not so clear, that these research bears should be protected. This area should be a protected area. Not just the collared bears but this area. WRI’s program with the den cam has taught more people (not just children) factual information about black bears. We need this program to teach child young on how to coexist and respect animals/nature. You’d be surprised when teaching them to take care of and to respect animals, they then in turn start treating their friends and people more respectfully. Maybe then we wouldn’t have such a violent world to live in. People would learn to coexist with everyone and everything. Dana
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A couple of points, Ms. Coleman:
–If it were a “protected area” it wouldn’t be a true scientific study.
–Hunting is part of “coexisting” with nature. It has been for thousands of years.
–Respecting nature is allowing nature to take its course. To infer that humans are not part of the food chain is to ignore logic.
–Mr. Rogers is not doing the bears any favors by giving media coverage to his studies. No matter what he may argue, he intrudes into their habit regularly, making these bears less wary of humans. It also tips off hunters to the location of the bears. It is no wonder “his” bears keep getting shot.
–While a “den cam” may provide an educational experience, naming a bear, referring to it having a “family” and needing “closure” (see StarTrib article) when a bear dies is not natural. Caring for pet animals is and should be a completely different type of emotion than studying a supposedly wild animal. Mr. Rogers might heed this advice to remain impartial in his “scientific” studies.
–Teaching first graders about life and death in the classroom seems awfully misguided. The very fact that these children were “so upset” over the death of a wild animal is proof positive that this isn’t the proper age or setting for 6-year olds to learn about death.
–Assigning human emotion to animals–wild or otherwise–goes against nature itself. The whole point is that people should reserve “human emotion” for their relationships with humans. To misplace these emotions is the cause of many social disorders that people develop.
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“Respecting nature is allowing nature to take its course.” AND THAT IS WHY FIRES ARE ALLOWED TO BURN.
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One point, WinnerWinner,
“To misplace these emotions is the cause of many social disorders that people develop”. Is this first hand knowledge?
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Another predator? Excuse me but a coyote or wolf don’t have a gun with a scope and aren’t sitting in a tree with a baited area beneath them. And they actually need to hunt to survive. There was absolutely no need to kill Hope. And I do not believe this person didn’t know who he was shooting. They just didn’t care. I find it very disturbing that people take so much pleaseure in killing for “sport”. And I’m tired of hearing it’s my right. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
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How “humanely” does a coyote or wolf kill it’s prey? Does it administer anesthetic prior to tearing it to pieces?
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“And I do not believe this person didn’t know who he was shooting. They just didn’t care.” –pme
What do you mean by “who”? Last I checked, a human being wasn’t shot.
Perhaps if the bear hadn’t been captured by Mr. Rogers, it would have had more fear of humans…..
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In case any one missed that, “who” is a human pronoun.
The eggs/bacon or sausage you are having for breakfast, the chicken or turkey on your sandwich, the burger you grilled… where did they come from? Was it from an animal it came from perhaps the victim of some unfortunate accident?
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Hey Soup, join PETA, no, not that one but People Eating Tasty Animals!….a fine common-sense group aka ‘Humans’.
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Not sure what your point is, but most people would not buy bear meat in a supermarket.
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The majority of people who complain about hunting still pay somebody to shoot their hamburger or chicken strips for them.
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There are laws against shooting hamburgers and chicken strips.
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Really ~ Soup Town
and what happens when the entire city ~ say ST Paul? comes out to the country for the weekend to find their next meal? geezz we would have a buffalo stampede,,where do we all park? and hey we can shot each other because we can not identify our target,,,it is silly comparing hunting to grocery store meat.
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What is silly is your entire straw man post.
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Bear meat that is butchered properly to remove the fat layer is delicious- if it were prepared in a butcher shop that way it would be the same as buying elk of buffalo. Besides the hide can be sold- there isn’t much waste of the animal.
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You’re correct, logger66. Most people wouldn’t buy bear meat at a supermarket. If beef were replaced by bear meat, there would be cow hunting season…..not to mention, my family would be buying a Lynn Rogers certified black bear at the 4-H Club auction at the county fair.
Of course there’s not a high demand for bear meat, logger66. That’s why people go out into the wilderness and shoot the bear themselves.
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I am a folllower and I also donate..this is so devastating..I feel like I have lost a pet…if you cannot post anything nice don’t post..how a person can get any joy from killing any animal sickens me
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And there’s the biggest problem of all, thinking of wild animals as pets.
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People that donate to causes that benefit animals make me sick. Millions of starving people all over the world. People being sold as slaves. People killing each other for various illegitimate reasons. People homeless, jobless, hungry in this country ALONE……and you’re donating money to a guy studying bears.
Makes me sick. How’s about we take care of issues like, oh, say, HUMAN suffering before we address things like studying the habits of the North American black bear?
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Yes, WinnerWinner, Ely was a WinnerWinner by not to shabby a margin. http://www.budgettravel.com/feature/the-coolest-small-towns-in-america,1719/
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Very true. Which of course proves that the FB ‘fans’ of Lynn Rogers skewed yet another internet contest in favor of a place they’d never actually been to.
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People need to stay in their own countries and fight to make things better,not run away or make someone else take care of them
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The hunters will be crying a different tune once america falls and they and their families become the hunted. I’m looking forward to it.
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It seems that humans, by nature, are inconsistent and I put myself squarely within these ranks. I have no problem shooting and eating a ruffed grouse (yummo!), nor do I have a problem chowing down on a beef steak that someone killed for me. But I have a wonderful companion dog and I’d never hurt a hair on his head, let alone eat him. Dogs, cows, chickens, ruffed grouse, and internet famous research bears are all critters, but as humans we choose to classify them in our minds quite differently. I have no problem with bear hunting, but I think I understand a little about the connection that some folks have with Lily and Hope and I think we should show these people a little compassion instead of acting like neanderthals.
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Perhaps I missed it, but this is an excellent example of all the drama that Lynn and his followers seem to create, every year.
First they tell us that all their bears are clearly marked and are wearing collars–this was said during his attempt to get legislation or DNR restrictions against shooting research bears.
The DNR and many reasonable hunters claimed that Lynns bears were no always that easy to see and thus such a law would make lawbreakers out of hunters who would rather not shoot a research animal.
Now, look at the picture attached to this story–taken by one of Lynn’s closest followers DURING OCTOBER, i.e. hunting season.
And read the article, particularly the part where it states Hope WAS NOT WEARING A COLLAR.
Lynn has repeatedly said it should be easy to avoid such a mistake because of the collars and bright flagging all his research bears wear during hunting season.
This article contradicts that completely–and not with just any bear–with one of the internet stars!
It has been suggested to Lynn on multiple occasions that he mark his bears in a more permanent fashion so they can be more easily identified year-round, including during hunting season (when it’s been apparent for a long time–and again in this instance, that his bears are NOT always clearly marked!).
Lynn refuses to permanently mark his bears.
Who is to blame here? The hunter who had no way of knowing which bear was this bear versus any other bear in the woods?
Or the person who refused to insure his star bear was easily visible to hunters?
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If you read the article you would know that they were not negligent in not having a collar on Hope, but rather Hope would remove each and every one that they put on her. I believe that the longest she left a collar on this year was 4 hours. Read the facts and quit trying to put your own spin on the story before you post such insensitive remarks.
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Which clearly shows they are wild animals and do not want to wear a collar. I don’t think people are trying to be insensitive, just trying to make their point. The bottom line is; people eat meat which comes from animals. Eating bear meat is a choice, some people like the taste some don’t. Baiting bear isn’t any different than feeding a chicken in a small area to keep it tender and then killing it. This is how we survive as humans, we eat animals. P.S. has anyone talked to the hunter and know for a fact that he knew it was Hope? If not we shouldn’t assume he knew. If the bear didn’t have a collar marking it as a research bear it is “fair game”.
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Nobody even knows if the bear is dead. For all Rogers or anybody else can say, the bear just wandered off.
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Oh this hunter knew his bears…. He knew Ursala and Jo by name and their face. He told Rogers he saw them. If he knew those two… HE KNEW HOPE! So the hunter is to blame!
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I would hate to be that hunter
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Here’s a fact the animal rights crowd doesn’t like to hear, or to admit:
There wouldn’t be nearly as many (if any) vast tracts of publicly owned land to hike, bike, bird-watch, dog-walk, horseback ride, or generally gambol around on if regulated hunting did not exist. Funds generated by license fees and federal excise taxes on outdoor gear pay for these lands by an overwhelming margin. In fact, these monies dwarf all other sources combined — including the nearly nonexistent contributions of animal rights organizations (more on this in a minute). That means outdoor sportsmen are overwhelmingly the largest source of conservation funding in the United States….
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I cannot stop laughing LOL I see where you copied your post from unless you are Jim Amrhein, editor of Whiskey and gunpowder??? To funny and what is plagiarism according to Webster?
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Here are the numbers, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, and other public sources:
** $746 million — Annual amount of money spent by hunters in the United States on licenses and public land access fees alone. Sportsmen’s licensing revenues account for more than half of all funding for state natural resource agencies
** $300 million — Additional monies contributed to wildlife conservation every year by the more than 10,000 private hunting-advocate organizations, like the National Wild Turkey Federation, Ducks Unlimited, and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
** $4.2 billion — Amount of money sportsmen have contributed to conservation through a 10% federal excise taxes on firearms, ammunition, and gear since the 1937 Pittman-Robertson Act established the tax. Millions of acres of public-use land has been purchased, preserved, and maintained with this money.
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I am not talking about the local turkey club but the big guys who protect our environment NRDC is National Resource Defense Council
NRDC 2010 ~Membership and individual contributions $ 66,748,642 total revenues $ 113,069,581
Expenses for 2010 Total program services; $82,335,094 this is for one year not since 1937
National Audubon Society total assets as of June 2010 $ 306,276,633
The stats show more money is spent on photography, vacation and viewing wildlife than is ever spent on hunting,,, How many people go to Yellowstone National Park every year?
Lily fans in the last year have generated fund for the Ely area in excess of $100,000 recently voted Soudan Underground Mining Park in the Coke contest to win $50,000….
But as has been said before no one has asked people to stop hunting we only asked for 20 black bears to be passed over during your annual ritual hunt.
For those of you who do not have a clue about feelings we are talking about human feelings. Many of the 100K plus people who have grown to know and love Dr. Rogers and his research project are human. I can see many in this blog are probably more along the lines of Jeffery Dahmer who had no feelings and tortured animals when he was young. Lack of empathy and feelings in the psychology world are considered a trait of a sociopath or personality disorder at best. You can look that up in the dictionary if you don’t understand.
Dr. Rogers’s research has been compared to Jane Goodall and her research in Africa. There are many children who have watched learned and loved these bears thanks to the Dr. Roger’s good will in educating the public about the North American Black bear. Of course they learn about life and death and now they have learned about human cruelty. I also hope they will grow up and when they are running the country they will stop many of the so called hunting practices such as baiting we see today. I challenge any of the hunters out there to give me an explanation for baiting a wild animal? Is that considered sport hunting? Not from what my father taught me but he comes from the greatest generation and they had ethics.
Yes we will continue to watch and love the bears. We are humans with feelings and a love for beautiful creatures and wildlife. Yes we will continue to support Dr. Roger’s research.
So go ahead and hit dislike because you are afraid of the truth.
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Why do hunters put out bait? So the animals show up, and so we can shoot them. And then, when the meat is processed, we can feed our families. Then, since there’s no reason to waste it, I can have the bear skin tanned and hung on the wall of my cabin. And every day, when I see that bear skin hanging above my mantle, I can thank God for everything on Earth that he has provided for me and my family.
The difference between you and I is simple. I appreciate and respect nature, taking from it only what I need and can use. You appear to worship and defer to it, using terms such as “love” and “feelings”, while classifying hunters and outdoorsmen as “sociopaths” and comparing them to a serial killer. That shows me not just a complete lack of understanding on your part, but an unwillingness to learn about those you allege to be perpetrators of “human cruelty”. Empathy is a human emotion, one which cannot be understood by any other creature on this planet…..and you wish to extend these human emotions of empathy, love and other assorted unhealthy “feelings” with wild animals. That’s your prerogative. Mine? To continue the age-old traditions of hunting, fishing and trapping that my ancestors have partaken in for generations. Empathy must be a lot like “tolerance”: It only counts if you agree with what is being tolerated. In this case, apparently we must have empathy for everything that is important to you, but that empathy is not reciprocated. Got it.
Mr. Rogers doesn’t own those bears. If Mr. Rogers doesn’t want his bears to encounter any naturally-occurring consequences–such as hunters, perhaps he and all of the Bear Worshippers should buy up a large preserve, get some bears together and study them within the confines of completely private property.
Also of note: jh45 listed FAR larger revenues generated by licensing alone, so I’m not sure what your NRDC numbers prove besides the fact that there are a lot of rich liberals out there.
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I think you missed the point as did many of the posts over the year on this subject. NO one has ever asked people to stop hunting. The empathy part comes from the crude remarks regarding people’s feelings because we love the animals and are sad because an animal we have grown to love and watch has been killed. I wonder if you have any pets or wildlife in your backyard?
Oh and thank you for allowing me to exercise my prerogative. I am looking at my post and can see nothing that states outdoorsman or hunter are sociopaths but rather some of the crude comments in the column made me say that. You are assuming that all that posted negative remarks are hunters I did not say anything about hunters, only that “many” in this blog. No one asked you to have empathy for anything I enjoy but rather have empathy for people’s feelings many in this column you included have made fun of those (myself included) of our feelings towards wildlife and bears in particular. Ok so empathy is the wrong word in this case could anyone show sympathy or a touch of understanding for our feelings. Got It? As far as learning about “those” I have learned a lot just reading this column. Unhealthy feelings?, Because we love animals? A little tidbit for you a sociopath has no regard for the feelings of others.
Through this research Dr. Roger’s has brought together people from all walks of life and all over the world to enjoy and learn about bears and wildlife. Friendships have developed that will last a lifetime. Children across the country are reading and learning about wildlife and in a few hours will be crying because they have lost a wild animal that they have grown to love.
Dr. Roger’s earned the title of Doctor through education it is a title reserved for higher education in most civilized countries and should be addressed as such. No one has ever said Dr. Roger’s owns the bears but an important research project he has worked on for over 40 years, including building a center to teach people about wildlife.
The figures from NRDC are from one year (2010) not since 1937 of which I have contributed by purchasing firearms and sporting equipment not for the use of hunting. My family also has hunted for generations and farmed huge tracts of land as they built this country and fought in all the wars but now they go to the store to purchase food and clothing.
I will continue to support Dr. Roger’s North American Bear Center, NRDC, National Audubon, and Sierra Club
Oh and Thanks for the dislike button in the previous post as I said “hit” dislike if you are afraid of the truth.
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I wonder why Rogers’ “reasearch” bears keep getting shot during hunting season……
“Rogers formed trusting relationships with wild black bears, including mothers with cubs, and spent 24-hour periods walking and resting with these intelligent animals……”
Dingdingding! We have a winner!
So much for a scientific study…..Mr. Rogers, upon inserting himself into the daily regiment of these bears, has skewed not only his reasearch, but also the innate fear of humans these bears should possess.
Also: The figures regarding revenues from hunting, fishing and trapping licenses is an annual figure as well. Only the revenue from the Pittman-Robertson Act was referenced in the $4,200,000,000 jh45 posted earlier. Also trumping the NRDC monies is the $300,000,000 contributed ANNUALLY by conservation groups.
Spirit Bear, I’m not sure if this quote was intentional, but: “Unhealthy feelings? Because we love animals? A little tidbit for you a sociopath has no regard for the feelings of others.” It seems as if you are calling yourself a sociopath, but I doubt that was your intention. Anyhow, to say that you “love” animals should be an exaggeration. Personally, I like animals. Most are beautiful creatures in their own right, and many provide food for we human beings. But do I “love” animals? No. Again, like empathy, love is an emotion that cannot be reciprocated or understood by any other living being on earth. We may project human emotions on to animals; this does not make them human or validate the correlated emotion, nor is it healthy to twist a relationship with an animal–especially a wild animal–into something resembling a human relationship. Which brings me to this:
“Children across the country are reading and learning about wildlife and in a few hours will be crying because they have lost a wild animal that they have grown to love.” –spirit bear
See, this is the problem with projecting human emotions and human characteristics on to a wild animal…..especially with 1st grade children who do not understand concepts like death. Death is a very real possibility when you’re part of the food chain in the wilderness. For anyone to allow six and seven year olds to become emotionally attached to a wild animal, and then to subsequently tell these small children what has happened–I hope to God my child doesn’t have an agenda-toting teacher this reckless and irresponsible.
As for Mr. Rogers: When he starts acting like a “doctor” I’ll refer to him as such. Respect is commanded, not demanded.
And finally: I hit ‘dislike’ because I dislike your opinion. The truth? It’s on my side, as you have yet to disprove anything I’ve offered up.
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I take personal offense to your comment:
“For anyone to allow six and seven year olds to become emotionally attached to a wild animal, and then to subsequently tell these small children what has happened–I hope to God my child doesn’t have an agenda-toting teacher this reckless and irresponsible.” I am FAR from reckless and NEVER irresponsible! Thank God I have never had to deal with a parent such as you. You would be a waste of my energy!
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You willingly brought an issue into your classroom, introduced it to your students and are now ill-equipped to deal with the consequences–consequences that six and seven year olds cannot grasp, per your own comments:
“It broke my heart to tell them about little Jason. They were so upset. They didn’t quite understand the finality of it all.”
“How do I now explain this to my 7 year olds…..I hope Mr. Landwehr has advice for me… because I’m at a loss.
A HUGE LOSS!”
That is reckless and irresponsible. To say otherwise contradicts your own words.
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The wolf center has named their “display” animals- but not the ones they track and study in the wild. I have never understood naming these reserach bears- the “display” bears- fine. But bears studied in the wild shouldl not be humanized by giving them names- bottom line- the bear just has not been seen, it has no collar or marking. Even Dr. Rogers says losing a bear is part of the cycle- he just would like to keep as many around as possible for research. In this economy people are going to be hunting and fishing more than ever. Buying a license to hunt or fish and the equipment- which can last for years, is a lot cheaper in the long run than going to the store and buying meat and fish for that same length of time.
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Leaves more money to spend on beer, too?
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No reply button under our other discussion,,,
I wonder why they get shot ~ especially the ones marked with collars and ribbons, Sarah last year female yearling. The hump nosed female DNR Research bear also was shot this year number 46 I think? This year the horrible posts on FB about Hope under the Lily with a bounty page.
Dr. Rogers earned a PhD in Biology after many years of studying and presenting research such as a Doctoral Dissertation. His scientific study is valid in the real word of science as his research revolves around studying black bear in their natural habitat. How else can someone learn about a subject without following them in their own environment? Have you ever heard of Jane Goodall? Or what about the Navy Studying Dolphins and then guess what ~ they use them to find yep find or detect land mines under water…ok off topic sorry but animal research is out there and this research in Ely is ground breaking for studying one of our larger wild land mammals in the United States.
Dr. Rogers uses radio collars to record the bears movements and video cameras to watch their movement during denning. I believe the University of MN (?) sorry might have the wrong University)
Was interested in the bear research because of the possibilities of muscle atrophy in humans and how the bears were able to remain semi dormant during the winter and yet come out with no loss of muscle.
We are still kicking a dead horse here no one has ever asked to stop hunters from doing what they love to do. It was only asked to spare the research bears. This particular bear Hope was the first mixed age litter to be studied. There is less than 20 research bears and over how many thousand total bears in MN?
You had said it was unhealthy to have feelings for wild animals I was saying ~ it is not unhealthy to love animals,,, no one has projected feeling onto the animals we are saying we the group that follows the research bears LOVE ANIMALS ~~ creepy people that we are. Who coined the term Dog is man’s best friend? Did you ever see the recent picture of the soldier’s coffin and his dog lying beside it during the funeral? No leash ~ no handler? Was that love or devotion or what? Try and tell that soldiers family that dog didn’t love that man.
No I am not a sociopath but have studied them and whether it is sociopath or personality disorder they have no regard for the feeling of others hence the statement about serial killers as it has been proven they usually have tortured animals or small children at some point before beginning their total madness. Why did I say that because many posts in this column or on this subject have no regard for the feelings of the thousands of people, who have grown to love, watch, learn or just plain enjoy the research project and all the bears. Why the hateful remarks because the Lily fans are sad at losing Hope bear?. The comments about hunting versus buying meat in a store? If there was a market for it you bet it would be there ~
Disprove anything you have said? Please I can send research after research from years and years about animals and people regarding relationships and human animal bonding. NRDC is a powerful Organization that is protecting many areas in the United States from destruction and the Sierra Club? Well they were founded in 1892 and have over 1.4 million members. National Audubon Society has been around for over a century.
We need more teachers like Dana Coleman to nurture our children and teach them. Her children started a wonderful project and are learning about our Government by petitioning for MN State Mammal Status for the Back Bear. How does that count for reckless?
Although you may not like my opinion which is fine the truth is on my side
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I’ll make this succinct and to the point:
Mr. Rogers intervened in the outcome of his “research” when he brought a cub back to the mother bear that had abandoned it. Why, you ask? $$$$$. (For instance: At bear.org, you can become the proud owner of a “Lilly and Hope – Memories of 2010″ DVD for only $24.95! Didn’t take long for that to hit the market……)
The bear that was shot wasn’t tagged or collared. Seeing as Mr. Rogers interacts with these bears on a regular basis, simple logic says that these bears have less fear of humans than their non-“research” counterparts.
Naming bears doesn’t assist in the research. Studying the physiological attributes of hibernating bears doesn’t require names, nor does it require human interaction with a conscious, alert bear.
Dogs like humans because they feed them. Dogs can be trained. My dogs will lay down and not move until I tell them to–no leash, no handler. Not impressed by the dog; very impressed by the soldier that gave his life serving our country…..which should be the focal point of the story. Not a dog laying next to a coffin.
The misplaced feelings of thousands of black bear fanatics are of no interest to me. Their energies would be better spent doing just about anything else……starting with the easing of human suffering around the world. This isn’t hateful, it’s reality.
Conservation groups trump the NRDC and other liberal environmental eco-terrorist groups in membership and money. Money talks.
Ms. Coleman may be a good person–actually, I’d bet she’s a wonderful person. But she made a VERY bad decision in performing her job and now she cannot adequately remedy the situation due to her young students not being able to process this information on a rational level. She has admitted as much in previous posts.
The black bear shouldn’t be the state mammal as they inhabit 40 of the 50 states. Hardly unique. The timber wolf is far more worthy.
The truth is based on facts…..something you’re sorely lacking in your diatribes.
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And the sad thing is, none of those “lilly fans’ seem to feel the least bit guilty in the way they cheated to win some of those contests.
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@Katydid: Please explain exactly how the Lily fans “cheated to win some of those contests”.
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I see a problem in naming wild animals like this. I should start naming the deer that come to my yard and eat everything, and start a blog about it.
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Don’t forget to set up a webcam and ask for donations. Because it’s all about the animals.
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Brilliant!!! I am setting up a domain name. All I have to do is pick up a webcam and put it on a tree in my yard now.
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Puli guys are jerks
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That was you guys
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So, all of you sitting here demonizing hunters know for a fact that it was a hunter that killed the bear?
It wasn’t maybe a vehicle? Or another bear? Or an accident?
But of course you know for sure that the bear is really dead and hasn’t just simply wandered off or died by some other means because you have real proof of this? I mean something more substantive then “Well Lynn Rogers says it was hunter so it has to be hunters.”?
Right. . . Didn’t think so.
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could have been a wolf or wolverine or she could still be around- no evidence yet of what happened to her- someone might have her in a garage or shed protecting her- this is all speculation at this point-
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Well, gee. I guess that’s what happens when you try to treat a stupid game animal as a pet. Give the critter a name, follow it around with video cameras, and get all worked up when it MIGHT have gotten harvested during a legal season?
Where’s the names for ducks, pheasants, deer, etc? Oh, “Bambi”… Seems to me that Bambi’s ma got whacked during the season in the movie, didn’t she? And where was the condemnation back then?
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Bambi’s mother died in a forest fire caused by a drunken hunter discarding lit cigarettes.
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I paid someone $5 today to shoot my foot long sub for me.
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What did they use for ammo, 5-buck shot?
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No wild animals were harmed in the making of my sub, just animals raised for slaughter.
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Hope was an ambassador for Ely, MN. Facebook fans got Ely named as a best town in America in a rental car contest, as I recall. FB fans were very involved in all types of fundraisers for the Bear Center and Ely. Hope put Ely on the map for many world-wide. Ely became a go-to destination because of Hope. And, one person decided to end it? If true, that’s unreal.
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A rental car contest you say? Wow, Ely sure has hit the big time……
Last I checked, tourism in Ely hasn’t changed much in the last two years. So much for that theory.
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tourism has been going down for several years despite the winnings. When gas hit $4 a gal or close to it, it really dropped. The only thing that has changed is that there are more empty stores from folded businesses and the rest are struggling. Many have to take out loans to make it through the winter when tourism is down and then pay back the loans in the summer.
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Then the rental car popularity contest must be much like the Obama stimulus package…..it would have been MUCH worse in Ely if they had not won this contest! Think of all of the jobs that were saved because of it!
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What about Soudan Underground Minning Park 50 K or BearHead State Park ??was that 50K or 100k,,,and the Elemntary School in Ely winning?? or all the weekly donations to local stores for food for workers? Motels during the Lily picnic,,,
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Soudan and Bearhead State Parks are not in Ely- they are 20+ miles away- and more people are staying at the casino because of all the amenities.
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Hunting season is a dangerous time when anyone out in the woods can have an accident.
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SL, all Lynn has to do is put permanent tags on them. This is done all the time, is simple and safe for the bear and Lynn knows this.
He refuses to do so.
That said the fate of this bear is still unknown….as mr. nephew states. Perhaps she wanted to den up far from where she was bothered last year….:)
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The bear was more than likely burned up in Pagama Creek fire and the DNR won’t admit to it.
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The PAGAMI CREEK FIRE isn’t even close to where her territory is. Ely is the center of the fire fighting efforts- but the town and surrounding area is fine- there are many trails and entry points that were never closed- and it is and always has been smoke free from the fire.
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Well, let’s hope she ended up in someone’s freezer rather than as a hood ornament on a Peterbuilt.
In thinking about it this morning- we are thinking maybe she was adopted by a Sasquatch and was shown the way to stay alive, and at the same time stay hidden.
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Tansey, I believe you were thinking that. You sound like you’ve been up north too long.
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The one thing no one seems to mention is the fact that ‘by nature’s law, Hope shouldn’t have been alive to have been shot.
As a cub, she was abandoned by her mother (as sometimes happens with wild bears).
Lynn Rogers took it upon himself to intervene on more than one occasion and bring the cub back to the mother. When the mother couldn’t or wouldn’t feed it, Rogers fed it. How anyone could still call that ‘wild bear’ study is beyond me.
His intervention caused yet another ‘un-natural’ occurence when Lilly had her second set of cubs the following year.
And if Rogers hadn’t previously been feeding those bears, maybe they would have been a little more leery of the ‘bait’ that was put out.
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“His intervention caused yet another ‘un-natural’ occurence when Lilly had her second set of cubs the following year.”
Considering that both the DNR necropsy and the WRI necropsy determined that Jason died from a brain infection, most probably caused by either a coyote or a wolf bite, please explain your statement above.
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The unnatural occurrence was the fact that Hope was in the den when the other set of cubs were born. Lilly mated after abandoning Hope, which was prefectly natural. Had she not abandoned Hope, she would not have mated again that year and there would not have been mixed age cubs in the den.
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Mixed age denning is rare, I’ll grant you that, but not ‘unnatural’. It happens often enough for it to be well-documented, and not just in Minnesota.
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In all the documentation, is there any mention as to how often it’s occurred due to human intervention?
Obviously it happens in nature but…it’s VERY rare and…without Rogers meddling, it would not have happened this time.
Legitimate researchers do not manipulate their subjects or intervene in situations. Rogers does it consistantly.
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81 comments already?! Wowza!! This story is the talk of the town!
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It seems to me Rogers study of “wild” bears in the manner he does is about as useful as studying “wild” bears in the zoo. Who is paying this guy for this endless “research”?
All the internet suckers.
If he was anywhere near legit, Disney would have latched onto him years ago.
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every body who donates to the cause- plus his lectures, books, TV episodes- He needed something to fuel his bear hobby after he was fired from the USFS for doing his research on their time, and after he had a sexual harrassment suite brought against him by one of his groupies,
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All of this arguing is moot. Nobody can tell another person how to feel about anything.
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Spirit Bear your numbers mean squat since they do not break down how much is spent on animal habitat and conservation efforts if any.
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And what do your numbers mean? support for politicans?
Ok rough figure NRDC spends apro. 85% of their annual revenue for conservation efforts :0 ~ listed as a 4 star charity,check out the site you might like it,,,
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I do not support Environmentalist whack jobs.
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Perhaps we’ll soon see a picture of a proud smiling hunter beside the strung up famous bear with the caption, “no more hope in northern minnesota”. How cool will that be ! (this comment is not to be taken literally).
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Well it’s official, there is no more Hope…… But we still can make a Change in Fall 2012.
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