August 27, 2011 at 7:00 pm in INFORUM
So the last hurrah has been heard for the University of North Dakota’s Sioux logo and nickname. Continue Reading
Tags: columns, Opinion, Ross Nelson, Sioux 11 Comments »
Ross – I suggest that you read Jane’s commentary that is elsewhere on this page. It is a good answer to most of your whining.
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Well, david, what whining will YOU do when you see that the retiring of the logo will have NO EFFECT on discrimination and prejudice shown towards American Indians. Oh, ya, that’s not your point, is it?
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The NCAA is not satisified with selective scrubbing of Native American Nicknames. They also plan to:
Force the Ralph Englestad Areana, a private entity to remove all native american icons.
Force UND to rush to add a new nickname, with the threat of continued sanctions if a new nickname is not named.
First they came for my neighbors, then they came for my friends….
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As a private entity, the Ralph can do whatever it wants to with the Native American icons. The Ralph could choose to disassociate itself from any university that is a member of the NCAA and the NCAA would have no effect on decisions made by the arena.
“rush to add a new nickname”????. You have a very strange definition of “rush”. The SBoHE has had an agreement, that included a time frame, for several years. Any rushing now is the fault of Carlson and his minions, not the NCAA.
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And the GM of the Ralph, when asked who will pay for the removal of all the things that need to be removed, said “I don’t know who’s going to pay for it. But I know who isn’t”. That will be left to the taxpayer. Then all the people who were whining about the cost of trying to keep the name, will be whining about the cost of removing it.
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I see the evil david is back challenging the REA to disassociate itself from the University and the NCAA.
On this point, we are agreed, albeit for different reasons.
Let them shovel off the nearest slough and play there.
See how many tickets you sell.
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glad to see that my friend “the other david” is still paying attention. I hope that means that he will also continue to support UND, Sioux logo or no Sioux logo. It has been an interesting journey through the ins and outs of North Dakota politics. I hope that UND can move forward from here. It really is a fine university and I am pleased that my tax dollars are put to good effort there.
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There should be no rush to pick a new name. In fact there are some schools who have no name other than the name of the University. I can not see where the NCAA would have any standing on forcing them to choose any name. That would be a perfect case for an anti trust lawsuit. Having no nickname could NOT under any definition, other than one from some crazy person, be considered hostile or abusive to anyone.
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I would agree with you, but I just went and re-read the NCAA/UND lawsuit settlement. BTW: It is only 12 pages long. It would do MANY people good to read it. I get tired of pointing out the factual flaws that get reported in the paper and on local news and radio (like how the NCAA was required to post a notice that the NCAA didn’t find evidence that UND’s use of the Fighting Sioux name was hostile and abusive).
The settlement states that UND must pick a new logo and nickname and start using it by Aug 15th, 2011. I’m not sure if “no nickname” would meet this requirement and if they could use the ND logo as their new logo? Don’t know if this would meet the lawsuit requirements, but I agree that rushing to pick a new nickname/logo isn’t in the best interests of anyone.
BTW: The settlement also says that if either tribe removes their approval at any time, then UND has one year to change to a new nickname/logo. Those like Ross who want to claim the 1969 ceremony as approval ignore: 1.) That it wasnt’ spelled out in the settlement as valid approval where the Spirit Lake approval in 2000 is specifically listed as valid approval and 2.) ignore how easy it would be for the Standing Rock council to pass a motion to remove their approval.
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You are correct, the agreement states that a new logo and name must be chosen by August 15, 2011.
I guess the NCAA can disregard that part though, and any other part they please. Like the sanctions part.
“February deadline set for affected schools to comply
By Gary T. Brown, The NCAA News
Reprinted with permission of the NCAA
Presidents and chancellors on the NCAA Executive Committee approved a series of recommendations in the spirit of the Association’s core principles on diversity and inclusion that would limit the use of Native American mascots, nicknames and imagery at future NCAA championships.
The decision reached during the Executive Committee’s August 4 meeting in Indianapolis is part of a new policy to prohibit NCAA colleges and universities from displaying hostile and abusive racial/ethnic/national origin mascots, nicknames or imagery at any of the 88 NCAA championships. It may affect as many as 19 NCAA institutions whose recent self-studies on the Native American mascot issue did not satisfy concerns that some people could consider the use of the mascot or imagery hostile or abusive.
Under the new guidelines, if the identified schools do not make changes by February 1, 2006, they will not be able to host future NCAA championships competition, unless they already have been selected as a predetermined site. In those cases, schools still would have to take reasonable steps to cover up the references to Native Americans before the competition begins.
For championships in general, the new policy means that institutions displaying or promoting hostile or abusive references on their mascots, cheerleaders, dance teams and band uniforms or paraphernalia would be prohibited from wearing the material during competition. Related merchandise also could not be sold at the championship site. Those provisions become effective August 1, 2008.
None of the measures applies to regular-season or conference competition”
And though you can’t sell the merchandise at the championship site…you could still order from the NCAA site until two weeks ago.
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I think Forks U is appropiate at this juncture.
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