Rivertown will web cast recall forum
July 21, 2011 at 8:05 am in River Falls Journal
Voters can watch the 10th Senate District recall forum live next Thursday morning on any of the five Wisconsin Rivertown Newspaper Group websites.
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Check out this new WI political website, http://www.WisconsinsVoice.org, and urge Sen. Harsdorf and Shelly Moore to please answer the questions that are posted.
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Alice,
1. Federal government regulates abortion prior to the unborn child being able to live outside the womb. States can regulate, but no state can prohibit abortions. I think your question has no basis.
2. Your anger shows through with the starting assumption of your question, “…lavish benefits like health care insurance and retirement.” Look at available statistics and you will find even with the increased PE costs, they are still less than private employee contributions. And, PEs have guaranteed pension plans, something almost nonexistent in the private sector.
3. I think PEs should be able to opt-out of mandatory contributions to the state retirement fund, and by doing so opt-out of the state retirement fund payment upon retirement. You can’t get if you don’t contribute. Have you thought that question through?
Hey, I’m for less government. Maybe WI could go the Texas route….state legislature meets only every other year. Texas is the shining star in this economy, maybe we should be looking at what they are doing.
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Alice, I apologize for mistaking you for “war and gee”. I don’t know why or how I did that, but I am sorry.
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I also apologize to you War, for mistakenly addressing you.
I don’t think the pre-CB reform bill retiree pensions will be affected, their 90% of salary pension is safe because the plan is guaranteed by the state – you and me, to fill the holes.
I’m just guessing that way.
I haven’t gotten that “lavish benefit” mailer from Harsdorf; and nothing from Moore. What I have noticed in the Moore TV commercials is ignoring the CB benefits reform protest…supposedly the reason for the recalls.
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Would union members please comment on the union donations (both national and state) to “We Are WI”. I look at the figures in the linked chart, and think that if most of that money came from union worker paychecks, are you happy with the deducted amounts? I mean, that’s a lot of union dollars in We Are Wi PAC.
http://mediatrackers.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Screen-shot-2011-07-20-at-10.28.15-AM.png
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War,
You need to take a closer look at the chart, the 7 mil isn’t all from WI unions, quite a few national orgs/unions.
Many of the Harsdorf “unions” you cite are not labor unions, but like-minded individuals or groups made up of voluntary contributors. I was asking about rank-and-file union members with mandatory deductions. See the diff?
Actually I just read an article about US jobs supposedly going overseas, but in reality there are quite a few companies moving to right-to-work states. Boeing is perhaps the most recent, big name company trying to open a new plant in a RTW state….Obama admin is blocking Boeing with NLRB actions. If Obama admin keeps it up, Boeing may ultimately ship the jobs overseas.
Ya know War, you write a lot of words, but there isn’t much substance to those words.
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cite the source for your stats, pretend alec
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Less than 1% with loophole deductions my friend. Go find some loopholes (and use as many government services as you can for maximum profit)
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Actually, I find an honest accountant is better than “finding some loopholes.”
I find the contradiction interesting: hedging your investments to be wealthy; finding some loopholes to not pay your fair share and apparently using as many government services to maximize profit.
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pretend alec, probably because you call me greg, and I’m not greg. Plus, I was working and got in a little while ago.
I was looking for info on Walker’s SIGNED budget and wanted to compare 2 MacIver Institute articles to your dem article and was looking for your link. I’m sure you have time to do your own research and answer your own question.
I don’t care what you call me, but if you call me greg I won’t necessarily respond…just sayin’
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I’m still trying to find a non-partisian analysis of Walker’s signed budget, and came across this federal impact on WI families:
Notably, the Obama-Baldwin health care overhaul also raises taxes by $570 billion, cuts Medicare by $500 billion in order to fund the federal government’s expansion into other areas of the health care market, imposes an onerous “individual mandate” on every American, and slams state governments like Wisconsin’s with at least $118 billion in unfunded Medicaid liabilities through the first decade of full implementation (through 2023). The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports that the law, known as ObamaCare, will increase federal deficits by $260 billion through 2019.
http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=242813
Moore is just like Obama, correct? That means she’s in favor of increasing the federal deficit.
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You slam me for linking an article that used The Hill as a source, and when I comment on NH using the Democrat website as a source (remember, I said neither a D or R website would be nonpartisian) you say this?
” alec said: On July 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Greg,
List ANY cite proving the information provided by NH is not accurate.”
Alec, just one more point proving your dishonesty…
I doubt you are an 82 year old female
I doubt you live in Mpls…otherwise you’d be ripping the MN Republicans and supporting Dayton/DFL
OR, if you do live in Mpls, why are you sticking your nose in WI political business? Did you answer one of the Democrat Gain ads calling for out-of-state residents to intrude and intimidate in OUR business?
And now, liberals can cite lib websites as gospel truth; independents can’t site any non-lib website without ridicule.
Oh, BTW, there are problems with the Dem “Top 10 Worst Items in Walker’s Budget” NH linked and you supported:
The claim property taxes increase 483 mil $: why doesn’t the article quote the specific estimated property tax increase/property?
The claim “rolls back child labor laws” is unsubstantiated. I have yet to find anything in the following like that would remotely support that D claim.
Like I said: partisan.
To get the truth on the Walker budget go to:
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/LFBPublications_ButtonPages/2011-13_budget.htm
I suggest a close look at the adopted property tax budget: “Property Tax Estimates, Governor and 2011 Wisconsin Act 32 (7/5/11)” at the link above.
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GS, no sense trying to pass yourself off as an independent.
You spew the: founding fathers, freedom, liberty, don’t tread on me, et al koch provided talking points way too often.
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alec,
what do you have against the founding fathers, freedom and liberty?
Your freedom to voice your opinions and to lie about who you are in your profile without fear of government ordered sanctions is a result of the things you apparently don’t like.
Koch Industries was started in 1940 and fits the “American dream” business start-up, including being forced out of business for a while in the US by established oil companies. The Wikipedia article on Koch Industries is very interesting, and explains Koch’s experiences in the Soviet Union produced his revulsion with socialism.
from the article: “During this time, Koch came to despise communism and Joseph Stalin’s regime.[11][12] In his 1960 book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, Koch wrote that he found the USSR to be “a land of hunger, misery, and terror.”[13] According to Charles G. Koch, “Virtually every engineer he worked with [there] was purged.”
Do you understand the meaning of “purged” alec/danimal? It means killed. Killed because someone in government didn’t like the opinions, views, religion, cultural heritage or some other aspect of the person.
Even Fidel Castro finally admitted socialism doesn’t work after decades of trying to make it work.
If your desire is to stand in line for a loaf of bread, and to be afraid to voice your opinion because you may be “purged”, or wake up one day to find your best friend “purged”/gone…good luck to you.
I am blessed to be born in this country because my ancestors risked everything to leave their homes and start from scratch in an unknown land. Ya darn right I spew freedom, liberty and yes: don’t tread on me!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries
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once again alec, focus on the content of the articles you link to:
from the article:
“The report shows Green Bay’s Associated Bank paid no state income from 2000 to 2009, despite booking some $2.6 billion in profits over the period.”
WHO were the governors during that period?
Jim Doyle, D, 2003-2011
Scott McCallum, R, 2001-2003
Tommy Thompson, R, – 1987-2001
Why didn’t Doyle plug the loophole? He partially plugged it, but conveniently ignored the consequences of M&I’s 2008 losses when he could have dealt with what is basically an accounting method (carrying losses forward). (M & I’s losses would have appeared on their 2009 tax filing for sure, maybe a bit on the 2008 reporting).
could it be Doyle didn’t want to lose his campaign contributions from M & I CEO Mark Furlong?
http://www.wisdc.org/index.php?filter=+Search+&from=–&to=–&contributor_name=Furlong%2C+Mark&name=doyle&amount_from=0&module=wisdc.websiteforms&cmd=searchadvanced
A lot of people were, and are, hurt by ALL the screwed up economic policies that spanned both R and D federal and state administrations.
Should Walker have changed things? Maybe an accountant/tax person reads these comments and can explain GAAP and explain carrying losses forward.
Pin the bank problems more on the person in charge of the state at the time: Jim Doyle. Not Harsdorf.
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alec, reforming medicare is a federal issue, not a state issue. Typical talking point and desperate attempt to cloud the issues. This election is about balancing the budget and being responsible to the constituents that voted you into office, not about a bitter minority who’s losing the battle so they’re trying to make this about issues that don’t apply.
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Ok apparently NH Shirtless Runner you failed to actually read the article which gave the explanation of the Harsdorf camp. However they failed to left out that the AAUW is totally partisan and members of it have given to the Moore camp. Last I checked moderators are suppose to be non-partisan. Also the Harsdorf camp makes total sense. River Falls is not the only city in District 10. Senator Harsdorf will be debating on campus Thursday morning in a debate where the questions will not be given to them ahead of time. Next time try getting some of your facts straight before you speak as you entire post was a waste of everyone energy. Full of misinformation. Something tells me you work for the Moore camp!
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Here’s a surprise. Turdblossom, from out of state, helps fund Walker agenda…
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/03/10329/karl-roves-secretly-funded-crossroads-gps-attacks-unions-nationwide-ad
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Really Alice if you are going to start slinging articles around trying to rip the republicans for outside interests maybe you should look at our President of the United States. He should be focusing on the economic crisis in America not sending in his “troops” to deal with a State issue. But then again he is always trying to control the States. So once again here we go with the famous copy and paste job that you all have been known to do.
http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/126023828.html
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So funny! When I don’t include a url you say, “Where’s your proof?” When I do, this is what you come up with. I’m just stating facts…
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Alice, keep ‘em coming. Tea.bag.gers can’t handle the truth. You’ll drive them even crazier than they already are.
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so apparently if I complain my post gets removed but the offensive post stays on. Very nice to know.
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