by River Falls Journal
July 21, 2011 at 8:05 am in River Falls Journal
Voters can watch the 10th Senate District recall forum live next Thursday morning on any of the five Wisconsin Rivertown Newspaper Group websites.
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Check out this new WI political website, http://www.WisconsinsVoice.org, and urge Sen. Harsdorf and Shelly Moore to please answer the questions that are posted.
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Oh boy if I could be there to ask these ladies some questions.
Let’s see how about:” Yes or No. Should the State require that all women be required to carry any pregnancy to full term or be jailed as an accomplice to murder.” (Just a reversal of debate question from the last election)
Then… “Teachers have been accused of being thugs for defending what Sen. Harsdorf calls lavish benefits like health care insurance and retirement. As a state senator, what lavish benefits will you be hoping to have less of? per diem? Travel? Retirement? Health? (Oh the lavishness) ”
Oh oh and finally.
“Government should be run like business. Businesses allow their employees to choose the amount or opt out entirely of retirement contributions. Will you change the law that REQUIRES teachers and state workers to pay non-negotiated amount into the state retirement fund?”
Yeah but theyre just going to probably stand there and accuse each other of supporting special interests. Something we already know about both of them. (Well duh ladies, that’s how the system works. We’re all in some kind of special interest.)
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1. Federal government regulates abortion prior to the unborn child being able to live outside the womb. States can regulate, but no state can prohibit abortions. I think your question has no basis.
2. Your anger shows through with the starting assumption of your question, “…lavish benefits like health care insurance and retirement.” Look at available statistics and you will find even with the increased PE costs, they are still less than private employee contributions. And, PEs have guaranteed pension plans, something almost nonexistent in the private sector.
3. I think PEs should be able to opt-out of mandatory contributions to the state retirement fund, and by doing so opt-out of the state retirement fund payment upon retirement. You can’t get if you don’t contribute. Have you thought that question through?
Hey, I’m for less government. Maybe WI could go the Texas route….state legislature meets only every other year. Texas is the shining star in this economy, maybe we should be looking at what they are doing.
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Alice, I apologize for mistaking you for “war and gee”. I don’t know why or how I did that, but I am sorry.
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I don’t know GS I’m just quoting the angry fear-laden mail i got from Sheila’s people that says Moore supports lavish benefits. I’m for less government too (except for the military and thank goodness we spend 8 time as much as the next highest spender.) Let the state employee’s decide where they want to put there money like the private employees now that it is not included in the overall compensation package (psssst. and I think they know they won’t get a retirement if they don’t voluntarily contribute just like 401k contributors. It’s too bad the current retirees will probably suffer from people opting. But too bad. “It’s all about me ” world. )
And please call me War. Is Alice your momma?
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I also apologize to you War, for mistakenly addressing you.
I don’t think the pre-CB reform bill retiree pensions will be affected, their 90% of salary pension is safe because the plan is guaranteed by the state – you and me, to fill the holes.
I’m just guessing that way.
I haven’t gotten that “lavish benefit” mailer from Harsdorf; and nothing from Moore. What I have noticed in the Moore TV commercials is ignoring the CB benefits reform protest…supposedly the reason for the recalls.
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Would union members please comment on the union donations (both national and state) to “We Are WI”. I look at the figures in the linked chart, and think that if most of that money came from union worker paychecks, are you happy with the deducted amounts? I mean, that’s a lot of union dollars in We Are Wi PAC.
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7 million in wisconsin from workers across the entire state? That’s about right. And not that much when you consider how many races are happening.
I imagine more is coming in from the other unions on the Harsdorf’s side: The union of the American Legislative Council, the union of big corporatists at Freedom Works, the union of Koch industries, the unions of PACs that send me the “tell shelly Moore she shouldn’t (fill in the blank) stuff. Awesome.
For 30 years we’ve deregulated banking and Wall street (Enron, madoff, housing bust ’08 – good times for my portfolio by the way), labor union membership have dimished 40% to 12%, taxpayers have spent trillions on corporate contracts for war while the treasury is taking in billions less each year to ensure low corporate taxes, jobs are shipped overseas (even as US middle class wages and buying power drops), TO BIG TO FAIL, congress and the presidency has been controlled by conservatives for more of those years than moderates and liberals and still you middle class America believe there is a conspiracy to turn this country socialist and are willing to tak it out on neighbors who teach your kids? Wow things are working better than expected.
The corporate right-wing maintstream media is punking you. And I Thank you. Because I’m an investor.
Meanwhile enjoy the bread and circus. Tell me who you would agree to go war with so I can hedge my investments.
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You need to take a closer look at the chart, the 7 mil isn’t all from WI unions, quite a few national orgs/unions.
Many of the Harsdorf “unions” you cite are not labor unions, but like-minded individuals or groups made up of voluntary contributors. I was asking about rank-and-file union members with mandatory deductions. See the diff?
Actually I just read an article about US jobs supposedly going overseas, but in reality there are quite a few companies moving to right-to-work states. Boeing is perhaps the most recent, big name company trying to open a new plant in a RTW state….Obama admin is blocking Boeing with NLRB actions. If Obama admin keeps it up, Boeing may ultimately ship the jobs overseas.
Ya know War, you write a lot of words, but there isn’t much substance to those words.
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Don’t right to work (for less) states average $10,000 less in wages that non-right to work (for less) states? Don’t they also have significantly lower graduation and SAT/ACT scores? Yes, they do.
The companies that move around are the very ones destroying America. They are constantly moving in order to hire people for lower and lower wages. Corporate America wants to better compete with China and Vietnam for worldwide market share. In order to do that, they must drive down wages in America and stop offering benefits.
Welcome to the new world.
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cite the source for your stats, pretend alec
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I say, see ya, boeing. First, you don’t take into account many of the big wigs have family in the U.S. You’ve been foxized to believe everyone will leave. Second, if they do leave, it’ll create a market opening for a Sr. Boeing official to open a new, competetive company.
I thought you guys believed the market will correct itself?
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Most right to work for less states also have a worse financial situation than Wisc.
Before you ask, gs, look it up yourself.
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Hey, War, how much is your tax rate on profits? 15%?
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Less than 1% with loophole deductions my friend. Go find some loopholes (and use as many government services as you can for maximum profit)
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Actually, I find an honest accountant is better than “finding some loopholes.”
I find the contradiction interesting: hedging your investments to be wealthy; finding some loopholes to not pay your fair share and apparently using as many government services to maximize profit.
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Why won’t you answer who is behind Club for Growth of the Top One-Percent?
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pretend alec, probably because you call me greg, and I’m not greg. Plus, I was working and got in a little while ago.
I was looking for info on Walker’s SIGNED budget and wanted to compare 2 MacIver Institute articles to your dem article and was looking for your link. I’m sure you have time to do your own research and answer your own question.
I don’t care what you call me, but if you call me greg I won’t necessarily respond…just sayin’
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I’m still trying to find a non-partisian analysis of Walker’s signed budget, and came across this federal impact on WI families:
Notably, the Obama-Baldwin health care overhaul also raises taxes by $570 billion, cuts Medicare by $500 billion in order to fund the federal government’s expansion into other areas of the health care market, imposes an onerous “individual mandate” on every American, and slams state governments like Wisconsin’s with at least $118 billion in unfunded Medicaid liabilities through the first decade of full implementation (through 2023). The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports that the law, known as ObamaCare, will increase federal deficits by $260 billion through 2019.
Moore is just like Obama, correct? That means she’s in favor of increasing the federal deficit.
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Yeah, right. Here’s the first paragraph.
“WASHINGTON — In yet other indication of how harmful liberal U.S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) and President Barack Obama’s massive health care overhaul is to middle-class Wisconsinites, Washington newspaper The Hill reports…”
Wait, hold on. We’re not all gullible. Who funds “The Hill?” Are you kidding us.
The “Affordable Care Act” saves us ALL money by setting restrictions on insurance companies that have for years gouged us, the regular people. Big insurance and phara and fighting this tooth and nail, through various paid right-wing media (including print) sources.
What is all the Obamacare hoopla about: Big pharma and insurance are throwing money at politicians because if government sets profit restrictions, they can’t gouge us over and over and over.
As was the case with debit cards. Profit rules. It’s costs .12 cents each time a debit card is swiped, yet big banks charged us and the stores where the cards were swiped .44 cents. Banks fought hard to keep the gouging in place and threatened to increase fees to offset losses.
The Hill- yeah, right! Why didn’t you just cite an insurance company memo? Same thing.
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You slam me for linking an article that used The Hill as a source, and when I comment on NH using the Democrat website as a source (remember, I said neither a D or R website would be nonpartisian) you say this?
” alec said: On July 21, 2011 at 11:45 AM
List ANY cite proving the information provided by NH is not accurate.”
Alec, just one more point proving your dishonesty…
I doubt you are an 82 year old female
I doubt you live in Mpls…otherwise you’d be ripping the MN Republicans and supporting Dayton/DFL
OR, if you do live in Mpls, why are you sticking your nose in WI political business? Did you answer one of the Democrat Gain ads calling for out-of-state residents to intrude and intimidate in OUR business?
And now, liberals can cite lib websites as gospel truth; independents can’t site any non-lib website without ridicule.
Oh, BTW, there are problems with the Dem “Top 10 Worst Items in Walker’s Budget” NH linked and you supported:
The claim property taxes increase 483 mil $: why doesn’t the article quote the specific estimated property tax increase/property?
The claim “rolls back child labor laws” is unsubstantiated. I have yet to find anything in the following like that would remotely support that D claim.
Like I said: partisan.
To get the truth on the Walker budget go to:
I suggest a close look at the adopted property tax budget: “Property Tax Estimates, Governor and 2011 Wisconsin Act 32 (7/5/11)” at the link above.
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GS, no sense trying to pass yourself off as an independent.
You spew the: founding fathers, freedom, liberty, don’t tread on me, et al koch provided talking points way too often.
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what do you have against the founding fathers, freedom and liberty?
Your freedom to voice your opinions and to lie about who you are in your profile without fear of government ordered sanctions is a result of the things you apparently don’t like.
Koch Industries was started in 1940 and fits the “American dream” business start-up, including being forced out of business for a while in the US by established oil companies. The Wikipedia article on Koch Industries is very interesting, and explains Koch’s experiences in the Soviet Union produced his revulsion with socialism.
from the article: “During this time, Koch came to despise communism and Joseph Stalin’s regime. In his 1960 book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, Koch wrote that he found the USSR to be “a land of hunger, misery, and terror.” According to Charles G. Koch, “Virtually every engineer he worked with [there] was purged.”
Do you understand the meaning of “purged” alec/danimal? It means killed. Killed because someone in government didn’t like the opinions, views, religion, cultural heritage or some other aspect of the person.
Even Fidel Castro finally admitted socialism doesn’t work after decades of trying to make it work.
If your desire is to stand in line for a loaf of bread, and to be afraid to voice your opinion because you may be “purged”, or wake up one day to find your best friend “purged”/gone…good luck to you.
I am blessed to be born in this country because my ancestors risked everything to leave their homes and start from scratch in an unknown land. Ya darn right I spew freedom, liberty and yes: don’t tread on me!
Can someone ask harsdorf in the debate about banks not paying taxes? The Las Vegas Loophole:
“…is out with a report showing just how little the state’s largest two banks paid in taxes amid the biggest housing boom we’ll ever see. The report shows Green Bay’s Associated Bank paid no state income from 2000-2009, despite booking some $2.6 billion in profits over the period. It also shows Milwaukee’s M&I Bank, which was sold recently to a Canadian bank, paid an effective tax rate of less than 1 percent on its boom years profits.”
Yeah, tea partiers, I thought WE were taxed enough already. Do you see, yet, that you’ve been had by the billionaire libertarians that secretly started the groups you so willing joined? The corporatism of America is almost complete. Back to the days of the Robber Barons, yipee…get ready to work for less, everybody (by the way, can you say home foreclosures?)
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once again alec, focus on the content of the articles you link to:
from the article:
“The report shows Green Bay’s Associated Bank paid no state income from 2000 to 2009, despite booking some $2.6 billion in profits over the period.”
WHO were the governors during that period?
Jim Doyle, D, 2003-2011
Scott McCallum, R, 2001-2003
Tommy Thompson, R, – 1987-2001
Why didn’t Doyle plug the loophole? He partially plugged it, but conveniently ignored the consequences of M&I’s 2008 losses when he could have dealt with what is basically an accounting method (carrying losses forward). (M & I’s losses would have appeared on their 2009 tax filing for sure, maybe a bit on the 2008 reporting).
could it be Doyle didn’t want to lose his campaign contributions from M & I CEO Mark Furlong?
A lot of people were, and are, hurt by ALL the screwed up economic policies that spanned both R and D federal and state administrations.
Should Walker have changed things? Maybe an accountant/tax person reads these comments and can explain GAAP and explain carrying losses forward.
Pin the bank problems more on the person in charge of the state at the time: Jim Doyle. Not Harsdorf.
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Please ask harsdorf how much she’s benefitted by the likes of foxx noise and right-wing radio.
Owner’s testimony (foxx) contradicted by own attorney. Wasn’t he also part of CATO? Who else was part of that group? Why did his station so aggressively push tea party groups? Are they all connected?
First Harsdorff then Walker.
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Isn’t Harsdorf sick of the lies? Does she support killing medicare like the rest of her mepublican tea party cronies? Do you think she wants to admit that tax cuts don’t result in even modest job creation?
Why didn’t she say ANYTHING about those fraudulent robo call telling people absentee ballots were in the mail? Has she been bullied by walkers billionaire libertarian supporters? harsdorf = walker (plain and simple).
By the way, saw a tea party table at the fair: let’s just say the couple working it came right out of hee-haw. Bow howdy.
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alec, reforming medicare is a federal issue, not a state issue. Typical talking point and desperate attempt to cloud the issues. This election is about balancing the budget and being responsible to the constituents that voted you into office, not about a bitter minority who’s losing the battle so they’re trying to make this about issues that don’t apply.
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After 20 years of serving her corporate masters instead of the people of Wisconsin, it’s time to make Sheila Fitzwalkerdorff give up her taxpayer funded, cadillac health plan and get a real job.
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It looks like the AAUW has given up their attempt to sponsor a forum between the two 10th Senate District candidates. While Shelly Moore was willing to participate, poor Sheila Fitzwalkerdorf was unwilling to participate in a debate where she didn’t receive the questions prior to the event.
I guess she doesn’t want to be proven to be a fool.
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Ok apparently NH Shirtless Runner you failed to actually read the article which gave the explanation of the Harsdorf camp. However they failed to left out that the AAUW is totally partisan and members of it have given to the Moore camp. Last I checked moderators are suppose to be non-partisan. Also the Harsdorf camp makes total sense. River Falls is not the only city in District 10. Senator Harsdorf will be debating on campus Thursday morning in a debate where the questions will not be given to them ahead of time. Next time try getting some of your facts straight before you speak as you entire post was a waste of everyone energy. Full of misinformation. Something tells me you work for the Moore camp!
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Here’s a surprise. Turdblossom, from out of state, helps fund Walker agenda…
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Really Alice if you are going to start slinging articles around trying to rip the republicans for outside interests maybe you should look at our President of the United States. He should be focusing on the economic crisis in America not sending in his “troops” to deal with a State issue. But then again he is always trying to control the States. So once again here we go with the famous copy and paste job that you all have been known to do.
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So funny! When I don’t include a url you say, “Where’s your proof?” When I do, this is what you come up with. I’m just stating facts…
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Alice, keep ‘em coming. Tea.bag.gers can’t handle the truth. You’ll drive them even crazier than they already are.
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so apparently if I complain my post gets removed but the offensive post stays on. Very nice to know.
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