June 17, 2011 at 6:34 am in INFORUM
BISMARCK An NCAA spokesman says Friday the association has no intention of changing a policy that will penalize the University of North Dakota for keeping its Fighting Sioux nickname. Continue Reading
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It’s been a glorious week for beatings.
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There really can’t be a whole lot left with the number of beatings you’ve received.
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What did anyone expect? The issue was handled. Over. Done. Dead. No longer an issue.
UND was going to comply, the NCAA was going to be happy, life was going to be good… and then the ND legislature decided it knew better. What exactly do the ND reps think they would have gotten out of the meeting? They had no chance of convincing the NCAA to change their mind, they have absolutely zero bargaining power and everyone involved knew it.
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Too late to complain now. The sue fans were happy when the legislature passed the bill to stand up to the NCAA. You remember how we will keep our name and we don’t care if we don’t get any home playoff games. Now that the NCAA hasn’t knuckled under and Big Sky might go bye-bye, the sue fans got religion and never wanted that legislation. Maybe if they had raised opposition to the bill before it passed, they might be more credible now.
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I’d like to know what the ND reps thought a meeting would do. They weren’t going to change the NCAA’s mind, they have no bargaining power. Zero. And both sides know it, too.
The issue was done and handled before the legislature decided to step in, at this point the only thing they can accomplish is shooting themselves in the foot by keeping UND out of the Big Sky conference.
I’d REALLY like to know how, exactly, they thought this was going to end well for them.
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Call their bluff, Al! Call their bluff!
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Tell NCAA to stick it where the Sun don’t shine
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so the legislature has wasted more money persuing an issue that HOPEFULLY will finally get some REST!!!!!! ENOUGH ALREADY EONS AGO!!!!!!!!!
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Are Al Carlson and his cronies really so delusional that they thought this law would make the NCAA change their mind?
It’s not going to make or break the NCAA if UND is a D1 member. They can tell UND/Al C. to go pound sand if they want to.
And it seems to me they just did.
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This is the typical bigoted response that will keep UND and NDSU from playing against each other in football.
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In other news, the Legislature has decided on their signature legislation for the next session… making water flow uphill, requiring the sun to rise in the southwest, and encouraging residents to spit into the wind.
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eric: bison blow……just like your old AD!!! Grow up!!!!
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my point has been made. the name promotes nothing but violence and hostilities. let’s go fighting Susan’s!
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eric is typical bison trash..no wonder there are more sioux fans in F-M than loudmouth arrogant bison fans….bison blow!!!!
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what a bunch of fools. more worried about what your mascot is then winning. you can probably dominate when you go back to D2 or even NAIA. LOL!
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I had advised earlier in this issue that if the legislature passed the Fighting Sioux name bill it would cost them membership in the Big Sky.
I was advised I was crazy, that could not happen. Now the only thing to do to avoid very harsh consiquences that will result in UND failing to make the D1 transition is for the backers to pay for a called special session to repeal this stupid law. As much as I hate the NCAA forcing the name change it not only has the power to do so it is very willing to do so as it has demonstrated.
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eric…you really dominated the last decade (10 years) of d2 didn’t you. no home playoff game, 1 shared NCC FB title, 3-11 last 14 games against UND, and a .500 football team the last 3 years….good for you!! Typical bison blowhard!!! How is joe crapman doing since he cowardly left town?! What a piece of work!!!
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getting it handed to you by sioux falls or whatever NAIA team that was is pretty impressive…you seem to be a bigger bison rube then i, throwing out the stats like that.
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These people at und can’t be very smart if they can’t figure out that the NCAA has a right to tell und to get rid of the offensive mascot. Next the Big Sky Conference is going to kick them out.
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I don’t get it. Everyday the forum allows comments on this topic. You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours. So let’s all move on.
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I love a game of chicken! Who do you think will blink first? NCCA? Big Sky? UND? The NCAA doesn’t need UND. The Big Sky doesn’t need UND. Going back to D2 won’t be an option because that is still part of the NCAA. Besides, where would they play? The NSIC is full now. NAIA? Mayville vs UND or the Vikings of VCSU games are going to be great! Who can’t wait to watch club hockey vs Minot State in the Ralph. It is time for this to end. I’m being sarcastic, but the facts are true. Change the name and move on.
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It appears that the NCAA has restated its position and told Al Carlson and the others seeking a meeting to as someone put it, to â€œGo pound sand.â€
The NCAA will one way or another get its way on this thing. The rammifications of requiring UND to retain the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo are simply too enormous to ignore. Besides, what kind of a student athlete is going to even want to be recruited by UND and as such, get stuck right in the middle of this seemingly endless quagmire?
I agree with the general sentiment that neither the Big Sky Conference nor the NCAA needs UND. If the State of North Dakota, UND et al insist on retaining the Fighting Sioux nickname; UND will have its invitation to join the Big Sky rescinded, and the NCAA could take the ultimate step of expelling UND from the NCAA altogether. No demotion from Division I back to Division II, I’m talking about the NCAA kicking UND out altogether. The NCAA has the right to set its own expectations, policies and rules that its member institutions must abide by.
The best thing that can be done now is to repeal the ill-advised law which was rammed through the Legislature by Al Carlson and Bob Stenehjem and signed by the governor. The Legislature has to reconvene later this year to finish its work on redrawing the legislative district boundaries following the 2010 Census and align the districts according to the population changes from the last census. They are required by law to do this every ten years.
In addition to redistricting, it looks like theyâ€™re also going to have to consider a separate bill to repeal the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo law. The rammifications are just too big for UND and the State of North Dakota to blindly insist on this as a â€œItâ€™s MY way or the highwayâ€ position.
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Carlson and company over stepped . NCAA rules are not at the mercy of political parties. Just political theater ,now the ND GOP has to figure how to save face and get out of this mess..
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Al Carlson no doubt is in “CYA” mode, big time. Quite obviously, the Legislature overstepped. I’m sure he and his counterpart in the state Senate, Bob Stenhjem are working overtime to try and figure out a way to make this go away quickly and quietly. Easier said than done.
As I mentioned earlier, the Legislature will either have to pass a bill to repeal this ill-advised law; and failing that, most likely the only other option would be a voter referendum. A group could form and circulate petitions to refer the legislation to a vote of the people.
Otherwise, I think the NCAA would have grounds to sue the State of North Dakota in federal court to try and protect the authority that the organization has in this matter.
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First, the NCAA is not going to sue North Dakota over the logo.
It’s just going to enforce it’s rules. As far as the NCAA is concerned, we are completely free to keep the logo, it’s just that it results in penalties.
No different than the rules in football. If you want to hold the opposing receiver, you are free to do so, it’s just an official throws a flag and marches off yards.
Doesn’t matter if your legislature passed a law saying you will hold on every play or not. The officials don’t care about that, they just throw the flag and march off the yards. They aren’t very interested in meeting with the fellows who passed the law, they aren’t very interested in changing the rules to accomodate you, they’ve decided the game will be played a certain way. You are free to obey the rule, pay the penalty or go somewhere else to play.
It’s really simple, it’s just beyond the ability of Republican leaders to understand.
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No, they actually can. It is called “Breach of Contract.” The NCAA has a legally binding contract with all of its member institutions, which among other things, says the institutions and all of said institution’s sports teams of will abide by all NCAA rules and regulations.
Additionally, there could be issues raised in federal court as to the constitutionality of the law which the Legislature enacted and the governor signed into law.
In other words, the NCAA offered membership in its organization to UND. With UND’s acceptance of such offer, membership in the NCAA was conferred upon the university.
In turn, UND agreed to abide by all policies, regulations, rules, etc. of the NCAA. Since the new law forces UND to take a position which is in controvention of the NCAA’s rules and regulations; then they are in a de facto breach of their contract with the NCAA. Such a breach could be legally actionable in court.
In other words, the NCAA unfortunately has the upper hand in this controversy. Whether the NCAA’s position on the Fighting Sioux nickname is correct or not is irrelevant.
It appears that the Board of Higher Education, the State of North Dakota and the University of North Dakota are all collectively backed into the proverbial corner on this issue. There seems to be no way that the NCAA will not prevail on this.
The best thing that can be done at this point is to begin the process of repealing the just-passed law and allow the process of retiring the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo to move forward.
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The government can always pass laws that make contracts illegal.
For example I want to sell you some widgets for your store. So we sign a contract that says you’ll be buying atleast 5 of my widgets per month. Now the government made the sale of widgets illegal with no grandfather clause. This contract is now null and void.
The government has been doing this for many years. They don’t like so the ‘will of the people’ get it changed.
Laws trump contracts. The NCAA could be sued for anti-trust. They current have a monopoly on college sports.
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This is a huge waste of tax dollars, stop this insanity!
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