by Duluth News Tribune
May 9, 2011 at 4:30 am in Duluth News Tribune
Under a Republican plan, the northern one-third of the state would be rolled into a single district, with veteran Democratic Rep. Collin Peterson as the incumbent. Continue Reading
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Well, I see the Republicans are already beginning the gerrymandering. No big surprise that they try to move the Democrat Peterson into the heavily Democratic Northern Minnesota and move Cravaack south, where he actually stands a chance at winning reelection.
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Gerrymandering? And what the unions do isn’t gerrymandering? Ever wonder why most of the rest of the state’s voting results are more balanced than union dominated NE Minnesota? Works both ways.
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What do the unions have to do with redistricting? Let’s stick to the topic at hand.
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I don’t see a gerrymander on that map. I see large chunks of real estate grouped in a logical formation. Maybe you don’t know the definition of gerrymandering?
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I am very well aware of the definition of gerrymandering, thank you very much.
And what I see happening here is the Republicans are trying to group together the most Democratic areas into one district. They’ll gladly concede that district every year to give themselves a better shot at winning the other seven districts.
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Not trying to pick on anyone but gerrymandering is the process of creating convoluted, non-sensical (with respect to geography) district lines. Coined when some representatives created distorted (with respect to geography) district lines that someone thought looked like a salamander. The northern district or districts are growing in area because they lost population. Two big districts with a heavy influence of small high population densities or one big one with somewhat consistent densities…whats the difference. The bigger one with consistent density is better for the DFL concerning US house elections. If people up here really want DFL representation the new 8th is the way to go. Otherwise the DFL will continue to loose elections in the current 8th boundries as the southern, more conservative communities grow in population and influence and we continue to loose population. This is actually pretty fair. If they were to split the 8th similar to like it has been the past 10 years, it could be very tough sledding for the DFL in house races as opposed to becoming a DFL stronghold like it used to be.
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I can see how this could be considered gerrymandering. At present, District 7 is almost entirely driven by agriculture on prairie farmland, while District 8 is driven mostly by mining and transportation… which makes sense to me.
It seems like the controversy lies in the fact that the changes are so radical. Instead of simply moving the existing lines farther south and east, the GOP proposal forms entirely new districts by cutting District 8 in half and District 7 into thirds. I think that should be the point of this debate… Not whether the new lines make sense or not, but whether it’s really necessary to impose such a radical change.
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What makes it so radical…obviously there are dificulties in ensuring somewhat equal populations without creating abnormaly shapped districts.
In my humble opinion, baseing the district lines on agriculture, minining, or any other natural resource or occupation may be a bit outside the pale. I don’t think those are, or have been primary concerns of districting in the past. It may have worked out that way, but as demographics shift at some point districts have to change to reflect the law which is equal representation.
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Sorry if I was unclear. My argument wasn’t that industry should determine the districts. I was merely stating that that it seemed to work out that way before. My main argument is that why don’t they just take the existing rural districts and make them slightly larger, instead of changing them so drastically?
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Sorry for misinterpreting your point. I wonder how much of that would have still been possible considering the rural flight of the past few generations…
I guess my take on it is would one rather be part of a large district area wise that is more beholden to a high population dense territory. Or be a bigger area with less population density, but arguably more homogenous views. We are probably better represented without the undue influence from a high density area.
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nmnguy75 is on spot. Those of us in rural Minnesota are too often overwhelmed by metropolitan areas, who think they have a better idea on how we should live our lives up here. Stay out of our lives, we will continue to provide you with publicly funded playgrounds, but please don’t dictate and impose your point of view on those of us that like our outboard motors, 4 wheel drive pick-up trucks, snowmobiles and ATV’s. Mind your own business, not our’s!
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You wouldn’t exist in rural Minnesota if it wasn’t for metropolitan areas, bev.
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I am actually excited about the prospect of Collin Peterson representing us. At least we will have a northern Minnesotan, whose staff will likely be in contact with residents up here, which wasn’t always the case with Mr. Oberstar and is proving to be the case with Mr. Cravaack and his southern Minnesota staffers.
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Lets hope this plan doesn’t see the light of day.
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It would be funny of the she who would be an eighth districter bought a house in the wrong city.
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Under the Republicans’ plan, Cravaack would now live in the 7th district, which includes St. Cloud. Tarryl Clark’s other home is in St. Cloud. She could just stay in St. Cloud and challenge him.
Of course, this is just a preliminary plan from the Republicans and it will never get sent to the governor to sign or veto. The Supreme Court will end up deciding the boundaries months from now, so everything with Clark is really up in the air right now.
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I’m confused…does Mrs. Clark want to serve us up here in the northland or run against Cravaack. She said she wanted to represent us, I say she should run that race up here regardless of new lines. Keep the condo in D-town and run baby run!! Show some conviction…
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It is no surprise that Rep. Cravaack will no longer represent us. He’s not really representing us, now.
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I think he is representing us, just not you.
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I think he is representing the Tea Party, just not the 700,000 people in the 8th Congressional District.
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A Tea Party is an event, not a political party there Tommy. A Tea Party is where people gather that oppose taxation without representation..
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No, it is certainly a party. You don’t align yourself with an event.
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The 8th district finally elects a conservative, to only get shafted by redistricting. This smells of DFL shenanigans.
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Wait a minute, you’re accusing the REPUBLICANS of engaging in DLF shenanigans???
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Yea, why not. Liberals seem to blame conservatives all the time. But when the tables are turned, it stings, doesn’t it.
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I’ve had some conversations with people on this site about some pretty stupid things, but this one might just take the cake. The Democrats are to blame for the Republicans gerrymandering to the advantage of the Republicans. ROFL
I guess you’re not too familiar with the process of redistricting, David. For you and the rest of the small Republican population in the 8th Congressional District, it might feel like you’re getting “shafted.” But the Republicans did this for a reason. The northern half or third of Minnesota is VERY Democratic. The Republicans are well aware of this, so they want to fit as many of the Democratic regions of the state into one district, which will easily be won by a Democrat every year. Then, the other 7 districts will be much more split in Democrats and Republicans. The Republicans will gladly give up the 8th District to the Democrats every year in order to have a decent shot at winning the other 7 districts.
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I have been alive for 31 years, and have lived in Duluth for 29 of them. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Northern MN, next to California, is the liberal mecca of the country. I do understand how “redistricting” works.
Your sarcasm-cynical detector must be broken, and it is amusing as heck to keep pestering the liberals on here, as there have been conservatives voices on this forum silenced.
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Northern MN’s districts used to be very democratic…if we stay in something like the 8th but expand southward we will get even more of a conservative influence. Look at the election results from last November’s US house race on the state’s site. If you want the 8th to be a democratic stronghold expanding south is not the answer. Be carefull what you ask for as the anticipated results do not seem to match what you appear to want.
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Actually, the 8th is rather conservative as defined by issues these days. The reason Cravaack won is because not only did he support pro-mining, pro-logging and pro-multiple use tourism issues, he also was pro-rank and file union (not to be confused with union bosses). If the 8th changes as the Republicans hope, Clark will have nothing but a vapor trail behind her as she goes back to St. Cloud. I’m not a betting person, but anyone want to place a bet on Clark staying in Duluth after re-districting?
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Bev, Did Cravaack actually get a majority vote in any city/district on the range?
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Why yes Mr. Cravaack did carry precincts on the Range. Some in the 60-65 percentile range. You can go to the County Auditors website to view the results, if you can’t take my word for it.
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silly boy… this redistricting plan was DONE by the republicans.
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It would be gerrymandering if the republican legislature made some districts with like 100% democratic voters and the others that were more like 52% republican. That way, they could maximize their republicans-per-MN-vote across the state.
Is there evidence for this kind of gerrymandering?
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In this age of computers, why can’t redistricting be done by putting the info into them, programming such things as # of people per district (state population divided by 8 districts), and tell the computer to figure it out–no regard for party. Just divide it up evenly and let the boundaries fall where that non-partisan machine says (with a few adjustments for geographic logic). ANY manipulation to benefit a political party is gerrymandering and is impossible to avoid if political people make the decisions.
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Cairman, in theory you are right. This could all be done using geographic information systems. However, there would have to be an established set of areas that are “core” to each region, and a set of areas that would be “flex” areas to account for population changes. That’s where it gets hairy. For example, it would be hard to determine whether Moorhead should go to district 8 and Brainerd to district 7, or vice versa… Really, there’s probably thousands of different ways to divide the state evenly. And the fact that redistricting needs to be voted on turns it into a political decision.
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As I understand it, if this bill is vetoed, the entire issue will be decided by some court. Since this bill and the entire redistricting plan were drawn up by Republicans, I don’t see any chance of Governor Dayton signing it.
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The removal of any Greedy Old Party person is always a step in the left direction.
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