by Duluth News Tribune
May 9, 2011 at 7:00 pm in Duluth News Tribune
The Duluth School Board will vote next week whether to terminate 14 nontenured teachers.
Tags: Duluth, Education, money 16 Comments »
Cutting another 14 teachers but spending hundreds of millions on a brand new stadium, atriums and non teaching luxuries is insane. If enrollment is down then why did we need to build another stadium for East? Why could they all not share Public Schools Stadium like they did when we had 4 high schools and a much bigger student population? It’s not stadiums and atriums that will entice students to Duluth – it is the learning opportunities. – and you can’t do that without small class sizes and plenty of teachers. I also found it interesting to see that now Mary Cameron is complaining about being left out of the loop of the contract with the new superintendent. – guess Tim Grover and Judy Punkyo Seliga are practicing open Board relations again with that SUNSHINE POLICY of openess huh?
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The board needs to be replaced.
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This is just sad – we will have a new swimming pool in the Eastern middle school, and 14 less teachers. How does this make any sense at all?
And yes yes they will trot out the two pots of money argument, that buildings are in one really big pot and teachers are in another smaller pot, but for myself I just have one pot of money, and I hate the fact that I’m paying for swimming pools and stadiums and new gymnasiums instead of teachers.
I hereby give the school board permission to take all the money from my pot and apply it to teachers.
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What about the learning opportunities in the atriums, the stadiums, the swimming pools and the gymnasiums? Clean air, clean floors, ample parking, facilities on each school grounds that can be identified as their own – it’s all part of the process. Shrinking enrollments? Tough to find excuses for a poor economy and how it affects a poor economic region like northeastern MN.
Teacher layoffs are happening all over the state, not just in Duluth. Shrinking enrollments affect all levels of education – k-12 and colleges as well. Read the paper to get an idea of the budget battles going on in every level of education in Minnesota – like Duluth is the only place this is happening…pull your head out of the sand!
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So, with shrinking enrollments, I would assume that there is less coming in, so, it is wise to spend from, rough estimates, 250 million to 500 million on new buildings. I say rough estimates, because ISD 709 has never said for sure how much this has already cost. What is going to happen if there is a resurgence in enrollment? They will build a new school in 10 years? The whole “Red Plan” stunk from the beginning, still stinks, and will continue to stink.
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Mike – you sound like the marketing rep for Johnson Controls trying to justify. Yes, most districts are dealing less money but in Duluth our problems are multiplied tenfold by the spending of hundreds of millions on buildings combined with the major loss of students. (caused by the Red Plan) The School Board has been talking about how they think they will get the students back when the buildings are done. If that isn’t clear enough for you that they now realize that is what caused the loss of students in the first place. The Red Plan and how it was handled, drove them away and the huge class sizes combined with the loss of teachers and opportunities will keep them away. And I am still laughing on your “ample parking” comment – would that be all the parking around Ordean and Denfeld? Just wait until you have 1300-1400 students crammed in those two high schools which are crammed in close neighborhoods. Neighborhood complaints, and parking issues will plaque this district for years to come. Check the numbers – neither school will have the number of spaces recommended – or the buffer recommended -
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David – Use nose plugs if it really bothers you. The LRFP makes up for 20-30 years of barely manageable funding for ISD 709 schools. Having trouble making that extra $20 a month payment to contribute to the success of this generation? Do what your mom, dad, and grandparents did for you when they were faced with the same issue – step up to the plate and pay it and feel good about contributing to the welfare of the community you live in.
The baby boom of the 80′s and 90′s has slowed down, and we’re feeling the effects of it now, all across Minnesota. Increased students numbers in the future? I’m sure it has happened before, so I’m sure it will happen again. Decrease in student numbers? Happened before, and I’m sure it will happen again.
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A 20 here, and 50 here, adds up pretty dang fast, and when wages haven’t increased as fast at they want to take it, it really brings on a financial squeeze. At what point it time does it cross the line into begging. the schools begging for money, the county is begging, the city is begging. At what point is it enough?
And someone spews off about “go back and educate yourself and make more money.” I have a bachelors, with two minors, and make a decent wage for myself. I don’t feel it is about me, it is about the people who don’t make much, work two part time jobs to barely make it, or people who are on fixed incomes.
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Giving Eliz, Duluthian and David thumbs up for voicing my sentiments is not enough for me. You all covered it well and said it better than I could.
Nose plugs? Your solution is nose plugs Mike? Really? I don’t want the stench coating my mouth either. When I have passed by WLSSD and it has stank I would hold my breath and close my mouth too. You must want us all to pass out to shut us up. Don’t count on it.
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20 here, 50 there, remember we’re making up for those who chose not to adequately fund education. We are trying to regain ground that has been lost in terms of ISD 709 facilities and programs since 1975 or so. For an average of $20 a month, it seems a good way for each household to contribute. We have too many whiners here – maybe it’s a reflection on how our society has changed.
Nobody said a college degree will guarantee the graduate a job, David – rather, a college degree provides a certain level of mobility in the job market. Mobility that allows one to consider other means of employment, if they choose. It’s all about the choices we make after college – the investment pays for many. many years but you have to make the choice to take full advantage of all you have invested.
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Yes, society has changed, and it is sad that the way public schools are paid for hasn’t changed with society. Taking money from the haves, and giving it to the have nots, is not the answer. Plus, but the looks of standardized test scores, the current schools aren’t performing as they could be. I feel it would be different if the schools were pumping out Ivy League school graduates, but they are pumping out students who can barely count back change or figure out a simple percentage, without pulling out their iPhone. But the union leaders still say they need to keep tenure, and ask for more money, even though according to you Mike, “society has changed.”
Again, I will say this: the 20 dollars a month for schools, with 40 dollars a month more for fuel, with 80 dollars more for food, and so on. Again, at what point is begging for more money the real solution.
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It’s going to be a shame if they let that many teachers go and then, all the students that they hoped would come back to the district actually do.
It’s almost like they are betting that the students that left for other schools won’t return.
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Elizabeth, are there any neighborhood complaints or parking issues now?
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I’m pretty sure the DNT did a couple of stories about the people in the Denfeld neighborhood being upset about the whole parking issue.
Something about now they have to pay a fee to get a sticker to park in front of their own homes. And the school not building the parking lot big enough so, if the neighborhood residents don’t pay the fee, the students will be taking the parking spaces on the streets.
I think there was something about what the city is now going to have to pay to put signs up along all the streets there to advise people about the ‘permit’ parking too.
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Yep, there are complaints now, but nothing compared to what you are about to see when you cram that many students on a postage stamp property in a close knit neighborhood with lots of kids, families, and where parking on the street is already congested. By the way Mike, think you hold the majority opinion here? You are quick to call those that don’t agree with you “whiners” and yet, this very site has hidden all your comments due to low comment rating….in other words, most people here don’t agree with you – I would rather pay for teachers over atriums any day – clearly you think otherwise.
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I have two preschool age children, one of which will be in kindergarten next year. Our neighborhhod school is “The NEW Lester Park”. According to the picture in the paper last week has a great big media center with a 2 story vaulted ceiling and a grand staircase. A big new building with grand spaces is not nearly as appealing to me as the REALLY nice sized Rock Ridge school that will be closing. In addition, my 5 year old would be in a class of 24 or maybe bigger in kindergarten, and even bigger classes in upper grades. And they are voting on cutting more teachers? Class size and quality of the actual education is much more important. My children will go to a charter school or a private school. The new buildings won’t get me to choose the Duluth school district.
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