by Grand Forks Herald
April 1, 2011 at 7:02 am in Grand Forks Herald
Tags: Fighting Sioux nickname, Higher Education, NCAA, North Dakota, UND, und sports, updates 70 Comments »
i rather to have tribes’s voices to show full support the logo and name to NCAA instead of non-native people. i dont want non-natives to have to speak for the tribes.
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Sxfan, “I don’t want non-natives to have to speak for the tribes” … .?? That’s exactly what the legislators did. The only native legislator voted against the bill.
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I know about a legislator (native american). I mean at the meeting with NCAA. Sorry i want to have some native americans go to a meeting with NCAA because I want them to show their support so NCAA may listen. I am feeling inside that NCAA say sorry we dont give you an approval to keep the name and logo. I wish NCAA say I want to hear the voices of Sioux tribe.
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The Plains Tribes have spoken, again, according to the Herald. NCAA are you listening?
This Bismarck meeting is turning into “Custer’s Last Stand” !!! Yeehaaa! Whooop!
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Resolution No. 14-3-23-11
GREAT PLAINS TRIBAL CHAIRMANâ€™S ASSOCIATION (GPTCA)
Support the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) policy to eliminate use
Of American Indian nicknames, logos and mascots and oppose dehumanizing and racist statement about American Indians.
WHEREAS,Â the Great Plains Tribal Chairmanâ€™s Association (GPTCA) is composed of the 16 elected
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Chairs and Presidents or their duly appointed representatives of the sovereign Indian
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Tribes and Nations recognized by Treaties entered into with the United States that are
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â within the Great Plains Region of the Bureau of Indian Affairs; and
WHEREAS,Â Â the Great Plains Tribal Chairmanâ€™s Association was formed to promote the common
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â interests of the sovereign Indian Tribes of the Great Plains and their members in the states of ND, SD and NE; and
WHEREAS,Â the United States has recognized the sovereign status of Tribal Nations through the
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â U.S. Constitution, treaties and by numerous federal statutes; and
WHEREAS,Â Â We reaffirm our previous actions and support the action of other entities such as the
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â National Congress of American Indians and the National Indian Education Association
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â To oppose the use of American Indians as school nicknames, logos and mascots; and
WHEREAS,Â Â We further support recent actions by the University of North Dakota (UND) UniversityÂ
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Senate, UND Student Senate, the North Dakota State Board of Higher Education and
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â the North Dakota Senate Education Committee in calling for the elimination of the
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â fighting Sioux nickname and logo at UND; and
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
Â WHEREAS, We further support the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) policy that calls
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â for the elimination of the use of American Indian nicknames, logos and mascots at
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â colleges and universities; and
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, we conclude that the use of American Indians for school
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â nicknames, logos and mascots at colleges and universities continues to be
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â dehumanizing and disrespectful to American Indians and is a racist statement
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â regardless if any state government may pass it as a state law and/or policy; andÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
NOW, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, the GPTCA will submit this Resolution to our Congressional
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Delegations, Colleges and Universities and others to educate them; and
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that this resolution shall be the policy ofÂ Â Â Â
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â The Great Plains Tribal Chairmanâ€™s Association until otherwise amended or rescinded or
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â until the goal of this Resolution has been accomplished.
Resolution No. 14-3-23-11
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Yeahhh Denny! On to Bismarck!!! Interesting, the Herald won’t let us “Talk About It” on the actual article. Maybe they are afraid of what some of these nickname supporters might write in response to the article.
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Grandforkian, I wouldn’t be surprised if the blatantly racist comments on some of these comment lines wasn’t part of the motivating factor for this resolution.
Excellent and timely resolution, wouldn’t you say?
Yup!! On to Bismarck!!!!
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Denny I wouldnt be suprised to find that the racist comments were made by those who do NOT support the use of the Fighting Sioux name as an effort to make supporters appear racist. This would be a very useful tactic for them.
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Attention Standing Rock Tribe Members, April 22, you know where to be to put an end to this!
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That is pretty bold to assume that the whole tribe opposes this. How about this: Attention Standing Rock AND Spirit Lake Tribe Members: On April 22, you know where to be to have your opinion heard, whichever way it may go?
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Grand Shaft you should be fired. NOW is the time to have the tribes there. From the beginning of the meeting until the end. You are such a tool Shaft that I can see why they want to get rid of the SBoHE.
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Darrell, you want to fire people because they disagree with you? Are you really that important? Or are you simply a….tool?
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And Darrell, why have the tribes in attendance? They’ve already spoken, yet their opposition has fallen on deaf ears. Are the supporters really going to listen to them now? And please don’t give us that tired old “but the tribal members weren’t allowed to vote” whine. The tribal leaderships made the decisions, and in our governmental system of representation (it is NOT majority rules as many of you seem to think) that is perfectly legal and fair.
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Chuck you are a piece of work. The tribes have not opposed the name. Spirit Lake supports the name, Standing Rock petitioned their tribal council to allow a vote to keep the name. Do some research before you make everyone put on their boots to walk the through the crap your spewing. But glad to see your all for a few in power silencing the will of the majority. You say stop whining about the “will of the majority.” I say stop whining that your outnumbered on an extraordinary scale by supporters. Thanks though Chuck or should I say Leigh.
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Standing Rock has opposed UND’s nickname for over 20 years now, and they clearly voiced their opposition in response to the settlement. Their NO pretty much trumps this situation.
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no a small very vocal group on Standing Rock. they are afraid to let the rest of the people vote to have a voice because they know they would loose.
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Glen, If Standing Rock tribal council had voted yes, would that have been acceptable, or would supporters have insisted on a tribal wide vote before using the name?
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Chuck, you are stupid aren’t you. The Spirit Lake tribe voted 67% in favor of the name, and to invite them shows the NCAA they do have tribal support from at least 1 Sioux tribe. Do some research for once.
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Darrell, you should know the facts before you comment further. The agreement says both ND Sioux tribes need agree, and Standing Rock has, as Denny pointed out, been in clear opposition for years. It does not matter if one tribe gives it’s approval. It’s a moot point. Get over yourself.
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At this point it’s not a moot point. Obviously the NCAA is at least interested in listening. They may or may not change their view, but they’ve opened the door.
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11% of the spirit lake poplution voted, 11% thats nothing. standing rock will never vote on this issue. what a colossol waste of time and money, fix this fargo flood problem and the roads in western Nodak!
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Time to bring in an ‘A’ team and leave all the posers and positioners at home.
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Good sign the NCAA president is coming. With how much pressure he has on him for other things the last thing he wants to deal with is the name issue. Just watch they will cut us the same deal that Florida State, Illinois, and Utah got or they will extent the grace period until Standing Rock gets their vote. I just hope Kelly doesn’t try to sabotage this like he has with every other thing in regards to the name.
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I wouldnt let Kelley,Fiason or members of the NDSBHE, anywhere near this meeting,,,,
numerous bloggers have said it much better than I,however, you get my drift
See you at the EXCELL Thursday
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I am very much a supporter of the nickname, but I think the tribes should be present. Even if there isn’t anything that can actually be accomplished by having them there, they need to be involved in the conversation, and I think them being present at these meetings is important.
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I’m glad this meeting is scheduled for Bismarck and not Grand Forks and I think everything should be done to keep it civilized.
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First off supporters of the nickname do not want the deal Illinois got. Illinois was allowed to keep the name because of a different meaning. The name “Fighting Illini” pre-dates the Chief Illiniwek symbol and was bestowed upon the team in honor of Illinoisans who fought in World War I; the use of the name “Illini” dates to the 19th century. They have no Native American logos anymore or references to Native Americans. A similar deal would mean no logo. Utah has tribal permission and their logo is red tailed hawk or hawk feathers. They dropped using Native American imagery besides the feathers, that’s why they can keep the Utes name. The deal nickname and more importantly logo supporters want is the Florida State deal. FSU got not only the Florida Seminole tribe to sign off, but also the Oklahoma Seminole tribe to agree before the deadline, before lawsuits, and before a negotiated settlement. Since UND has only the agreement of only the Spirit Lake tribe they could attend the meeting. Standing Rock is on the outside looking in as it would appear that any official representative opposes the nickname. I guess what I’m saying is, it is a smart move to keep the tribes out. You have one agreement in hand and the argument that the will of the people of Standing Rock to vote on the issue has been blocked.
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I don’t think the Oklahoma Seminoles officially “agreed” to anything. From a 2005 USA Today article announcing the FSU/NCAA deal:
But dissent has been voiced within the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, primarily by general council member David Narcomey, but the council has taken no official position on the FSU issue, according to Jennifer McBee, the tribe attorney general. Narcomey, saying he was voicing his opinion only, wrote in an e-mail to USA TODAY of the decision: “I am deeply appalled, incredulously disappointed … I am nauseated that the NCAA is allowing this ‘minstrel show’ to carry on this form of racism in the 21st century.”
I agree, the decision by the Oklahoma Seminoles wasn’t unanimous and I’m sure there are still dissenters, but they voted 18-2 to not oppose the nickname. The same way 33% of the Spirit Lake tribe opposed the nickname too.
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But it does bring up an interesting point of arguement. In 2005, the Oklahoma Seminoles used a vote of the council to “approve” the use of the Seminole name….not a vote of the entire tribe. So how, in 2010, do you say that a vote of the Standing Rock Tribal Council to oppose the Sioux name is invalid, and it needs to be brought to a general vote of tribe. I think the NCAA will probably have to stand on the side of saying that the Standing Rock Council has said no, and no means no.
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i read a comment on SiouxSports.com and it said Shaft’s son on facebook said UND will be going to Big 10 if the nickname is dropped. I said NO WAY!!!! I hope it is April’s Fool. I know that UND isnt ready to join Big 10 because those schools are too big over UND.
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Oh wait a minute!!! Hockey is great if UND joins Big 10 but what about football and basketball? And also Shaft doesnt support the nickname and also i think he wants to see the nickname gone so UND can join Big 10.( i got it from SS. com). I like WCHA better than Big 10 that is my opinion.
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Actually, my point was that the NCAA was fine with FSU, Central Michigan and Utah getting “formal” approval from one namesake tribe, which was closest to their campus.
UND has “formal” approval from a namesake Sioux tribe that is closest to their campus. Why does that not satisfy NCAA requirements?
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Honestly, at this point wouldn’t it be easier to change the official name to the University of North Dakota Spirit Lake Fighting Sioux? It’s quite a mouth full, I understand, but at this point, you have the approval of Spirit Lake, and even give them a portion of merchandise sales, or even huge tuition breaks to those students from Spirit Lake who want to attend UND. You could shorten the moniker to SL Fighting Sioux and I believe it would accommodate everything the NCAA is asking.
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oh for Pete’s sake!
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I think name change supporters should be allowed to attend the meeting and if not we are organizing a rally outside the meeting. I’m sure the NCAA will want to hear out opposition to the name!
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So you think that those that support the name should help out those that are opposed to it. And what have those that oppose the name done to help out those that support it? I think the opposition can do things for themselves. Why don’t you lead the way.
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Kenny – sorry maybe you misunderstood me, I am against the nickname, therefore, I am a supporter of the name change.
The NCAA should hear from those of us who have the most at stake! The NCAA needs to hear from those Native Americans who oppose the nickname.
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O ya your one of the I support the native views as long as they are anti nickname. You call everyone a racist if they support the name by claiming they don’t support the natives but yet you only support the minority group opposed to the name within the native group so in all actuality you don’t support the tribes at all. Thats ok, I would just be able to respect your views if 1. You could support your views with anything that resembles proof and 2. You didn’t insult anyone who disagrees with your views.
And now I will sit back and watch you call me a racist and a hick and so on.
Now i’ll sit and wait to read your comment about how terrible of a person I am and how big of a hick that I am.
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Sorry about the double post on the last line I thought I deleted the first line
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Why should people who oppose the nickname be allowed to attend the meeting but not people who support it? For someone who preaches fairness and equality, that is quite hypocritical…
They dont want the majority of pro-nickname supporters show much support the name so NCAA may be on their side and let UND to keep name for a long time. They may be afraid of that…that is my guess.
Leave it to a group of white men to write an unconstitutional law (unchallenged in courts by SBofHE) that perpetuates a nickname/logo with implied racist implications. Now call for a meeting with a group of high-ranking white men and invite one or two “token Indians” from the Spirit Lake tribe (definitely not from Standing Rock). This meeting will be used to change a prior agreed upon court settlement because the white men did not get what they wanted. Reminds me of how white men have handled historic Indian treaties.
The “great support of the Spirit Lake tribe” was based on 11% of tribe voting. The tribal membership has a few more important concerns to focus on (survival) than the use of a nickname/logo. Only those who supported it turned out. That was democratic, though only less than 8% of the tribe voted to support the use of the logo. Ever heard of the concept of quorum? Now that is a white man’s election if there ever was one!
I have undergraduate and graduate degrees from UND. The way the past UND administration and the current ND Legislators have handled this issue makes me ashamed to be an alumni and a ND citizen!
I can hear the comeback: “Why don’t don’t you leave ND or give back your diplomas?” Such moronic responses are repulsive. If I am ashamed of the behavior of a family member, how do I leave the family? “Love or leave it?” Idiotic! I supported the current UND administration’s attempts to regain their dignity that was lost during the REA debacle. Now they are being forced by the SBoHE and ND Legislature to look like fools, begging for relief in the face of a prior agreed upon settlement!
Hey, but us white guys want what we want. It doesn’t matter what we agreed to or who gets hurt! We want those Sioux logos on those hockey jerseys and that is that. Who cares about those other sports anyway. In fact, we could care less about students, student/athletes, UND, higher education, Native Americans, integrity, honesty, racism, respect or selfishness. We want that Logo on those hockey jerseys just as Ralph envisioned. Nothing else is acceptable. And so it goes….
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Ya know carcassparker, my opinion on the whole 11% voting thing is the same for any other election: You had your chance to vote. Anyone who had a strong enough opinion on the issue should have come out to vote (I’m guessing most did). If not, they had their chance. If a person makes the choice not to vote, they also made the choice not to complain. The last election I had class or work straight from 8 AM until 8 PM. I didn’t eat lunch that day so I could vote. If a person cares enough, they will make it happen.
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I just do not understand! Outside of House Majority Leader Al Carlson & Senate Majority Leader Bob Stenehjem , none of the other “officials” have ever championed saving the Fighting Sioux name/logo. Keeping the name has to part & parcel of the meeting, and one person out of 8 North Dakotans has a public position of pro Fighting Sioux name logo!!!
This is a guy who I want negotiating: “The university’s president, Robert Kelley, said Friday the school will follow the board’s earlier order to retire the logo and nickname in August, unless it gets new directions from the board.”
The rest are of the “I want to see the name stay, but its time to move on” or “the NCAA will never allow UND to…ruining our chances to join the Big Sky…ruining our chances to have a successful program…” Yada Yada Yada!!!
And most importantly: How do you not invite tribal members??? What a bunch of egotists on the loose!!! As this is about what can be done to make things work with the new law, triball members like Ms Davidson, John Chaske & Mr. Fool Bear should be at the table.
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“one person out of 8 North Dakotans has a public position of pro Fighting Sioux name logo”
I guess that would mean 7 out of 8 do not…
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Grant Shaft says:
â€œUntil we have these initial contacts and learn where the NCAA stands now, what opportunities there may be for something different, this is not the time to have the tribes at the table,â€ Shaft said today. â€œBut if there does appear to be room to work with the NCAA, then we will engage the tribes in the talks.â€
Well certainly, that makes perfect sense, while at the meeting you can draw up an agreement that requires people that are not present at the meeting to………oh…I don’t know….let’s require them to have a vote. Yeah, that will work.
Like I said before, Grand Shafter has no business within 500 miles of any meetings with the NCAA.
Remember Einstein’s definition of insanity…..doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
And now that the NCAA hypocrites have forced their polictically correct nonsense on some schools, maybe we should take a minute and examine all the wonderful outcomes from their actions.
I am sure they have proof of all the great strides that have occurred by changing the names and representations at those schools.
I would just like to see the evidence. And I will even allow some leeway to the NCAA due to the damage they themselves have inflicted on Native Americans as the NCAA continues to profit from selling these “hostile and abusive” representations.
The only place to meet these NCAA hypocrites is in a court room….they have no case. They have continued to engage in the very behavior they threaten sanctions on others for engaging in.
I would love to see them explain that to a judge and jury.
And while they are in court they can explain how this idiotic decision is guided by their â€œcore values.â€ In particular the one about respecting and not interfering with a member schools autonomy.
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In 2001, Russell Means (activist) led a group of protesters to the new REA in opposition to the logo/nickname. Ralph Engelstad refused to allow protesters on REA property so they marched nearby.
Prior to 2001, Fighting Sioux hockey teams won national championships in 53.8% of the 13 Frozen Fours in which they competed. That is an astounding winning percentage. Since 2001, Sioux hockey teams have competed in 5 Frozen Fours and won no national championships. That is the Fighting Sioux Curse.
Until the logo/nickname is dropped, the UND hockey team will never win another national championship. They had a chance this year until the ND legislature put the Fighting Sioux Curse back into effect. I have watched the Fighting Sioux Curse do its thing on some great UND hockey teams. A bounce of the puck here, a player slightly out of position there. I have seen five UND national championship teams play in the past. The Fighting Sioux Curse explain the recent lack of UND hockey national championships with great championship caliber teams on the ice. I would love to be wrong about this. The current UND hockey team is extremely talented and most deserving of a national championship. It is so very sad that the drought will continue until the change is made. And so it goesâ€¦..
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My turn to say “for Pete’s sake”!
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Congrats!!!!! You have well proven you can cut and paste.
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Obviously my statement did not say in Reply to Carcassparker. Gs it wasn’t meant for you.
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Well certainly, that makes perfect sense, while at the meeting you can draw up an agreement that requires people that are not present at the meeting toâ€¦â€¦â€¦ohâ€¦I donâ€™t knowâ€¦.letâ€™s require them to have a vote. Yeah, that will work.
Remember Einsteinâ€™s definition of insanityâ€¦..doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I would just like to see the evidence. And I will even allow some leeway to the NCAA due to the damage they themselves have inflicted on Native Americans as the NCAA continues to profit from selling these â€œhostile and abusiveâ€ representations.
The only place to meet these NCAA hypocrites is in a court roomâ€¦.they have no case. They have continued to engage in the very behavior they threaten sanctions on others for engaging in.
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100 million dollar Fight Sioux Curse!
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According to “magic Man” the NCAA hypocrites have alredy forced their polictically correct nonsense on some schools, maybe we should take a minute and examine all the wonderful outcomes from their actions.
I am sure they have proof of all the great strides that have occurred by changing the names and representations at those schools., No more poverty, no more drug abuse, no more illiteracy, no more racism…all problems can be solved it the nicknames of schools are changed. You can hear them in their Ivory Towers….” Pass the wine Bob, mission accomplished.”
I would just like to see the evidence.
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I would love to see them explain to a judge and jury why they continue to profit from the sale of items they restrict from others under the guise of being “hostile and abusive.”
And while they are in court they can explain how this idiotic proclamation is guided by their â€œcore values.â€ In particular the one about respecting a member schools autonomy.
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I assume that all of the nickname “supporters” will be going to the UND Time Out Wacipi events this week, right? After all, the community that “honors” and “respects” American Indians would do well to actually show that, but thus far has done anything but.
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ND Kobold, very true, trust me, none of them will be there. They won’t spend a dime on something that really benefits natives, only Ralphie.
And guess what, every year that I’ve gone I have never, never seen one fighting sioux t-shirt wore by any of us. So guess that proves all this so-called support by natives is just another one of their big lies.
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Grandforkian – I was there last year and saw several Sioux shirts and a respectable number of spectators for a small event on a busy beautiful Saturday. Keep in mind there are many tribes represented there not just Sioux, in fact Sioux might be in the minority which means you won’t see lots of Sioux shirts. Also the UNDIA has come out against the Sioux logo so some may be intimated into not wearing it. See you at the Grand Entrance.I will be there in my Sioux shirt.
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I was there on Friday night and a good 3 hours on Saturday last year. No hockey uniforms or t-shirts were seen. Were you at a different Wacipi?
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@Grandforkian – I also have attended the Wacipi for many years as well minus 2008 when there was not one. I along with many others are in “Fighting Sioux” apparel as well. Spectator said it right on when stating – “Keep in mind there are many tribes represented there not just Sioux, in fact Sioux might be in the minority which means you wonâ€™t see lots of Sioux shirts. Also the UNDIA has come out against the Sioux logo so some may be intimated into not wearing it.” This is so true. The UNDIA Time-Out Wacipi is mainly ran by Chippewa. If you were to poll the people there you would find very few Sioux people. UNDIA is ran by mainly people from Belcourt who are of Chippewa decent. Dr Leigh Jeanotte who is the director of the Native American Center is also of Chippewa decent.
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Okay I don’t get it…are you seriously saying that only members of the Sioux Nation would wear the imagery of the UND sports nickname and any other tribe wouldn’t? Well I am not enrolled member of the Sioux Tribe but have many relatives who are enrolled members or decedents. And yes I do not try and portray myself as something I am not. I guess we better ask everyone wearing UND mascot logo apparel at the Wacipi to see their Indian IDâ€™s. I know I for one will tell whoever has UND logo mascot apparel on they should be ashamed of themselves!
I think you are missing the point! Nativeâ€™s who choose not to wear the UND logo apparel choose not to because we are not MASCOTS!!!
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I would bet that UND benefits financially from the sale of gear with the logo on it, not just the NCAA.
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Of course they benefit from it, they own the rights to it. That’s like saying that a band benefits from sales of their albums, not just the record company.
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RISE AND SHINE!!!!! everyone (pro and con nickname and logo).
Prepare to face a sitution very seriously about racisim on and off campus when UND will drop the logo and name. (My guts tell me about it). Will racisim on and off campus get worse or improve???. Peace with you, all.
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I don’t think you will see very many hockey jerseys on a warm spring day inside, but you will see Sioux clothing. I would like to suggest the Grand Forks Herald do an expose on the UNDIA and interview more than just the insiders. Ask a variety of Native American students how UNDIA is supporting them. What is UNDIA doing to welcome and represent all tribes? How does it justify taking a position on an issue that doesn’t represent the opinion of all people they are supposed to support and makes some feel unwelcome? Are they spending the same amount of time on issues such as education, job placement, family communications as they are on the nickname? If so how?
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spectator, once the logo is gone all the divisiveness about it that exists on this campus, will be gone too. It’s another reason to retire it.
The Georgia African-Americans have no right to be offended by racist behavior in Alabama, New York, South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida or Louisiana? How does that work?
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