by Grand Forks Herald
February 28, 2011 at 5:12 am in Grand Forks Herald
Aircraft-maker Cirrus Design is being sold to China Aviation Industry General Aircraft, a company based in Zhuhai, China, Cirrus announced today. Continue Reading
Tags: Business, cirrus, Cirrus Design, GF and EGF, updates 21 Comments »
They don’t want to disturb what we have until they’ve first figured out how to copy the technology, then make it over there using slave labor.
Other than that, no problem. Go China!
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kind of a poor job of reporting. it says Cirrus jobs to stay in Duluth and GF, and then further down the article it says jobs will migrate to China in 5 yrs or so. huh?
The Cirrus CEO thinks the Chinese care about quality work and work ethics? are you serious? really?
This deal will end up being bad for jobs in GF and Duluth, it’s just a matter of time.
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I’ve followed Cirrus aircraft for many years, and even though I don’t live in GFK right now I still keep up with things. Its a shame Cirrus looked out of the country for funds. Funds could have easily been raised through private placements instead of involving China. I wish Cirrus would have looked a little harder and worked with some investment firms here at home before looking abroad.
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Wonderful! One more product that was designed in America by Americans and will now be sold to Americans with the “Made in China” label stamped on its butt. I wonder if it will be sold as a kit available at Walmart….
Hot debate. What do you think? 23 13
I like The Chinese. We should take notes on being more efficient and improving our work ethic, following in their footsteps. Seriously, I’m not just saying that.
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Forced labor is not really my idea of work ethic.
And I’ll trade American ingenuity over the Confucian system any day. Nothing they’re doing is innovative – you’d be hard-pressed to find anything indigenously manufactured in China that wasn’t a direct ripoff of our intellectual property – of course done completely illegally.
We’ve gone through a few years of Western awe at the emergence of China as a world power, but a lot of their “rising” is smoke and mirrors. I wouldn’t trust anything coming from their State Media, and unfortunately our media has pretty complicit in, for all intents and purposes, f#llating them because it makes for good ratings.
Examples? Way too many to mention – I’ve seen a ton of examples in my industry. Go to a trade show and look at all the cheaply-made impostors that look just like the real thing. Also – their “stealth fighter” – what a piece of junk. I could go on, but I digress…
They are also full of looming social and environmental issues, so the facade will not last much longer.
But, of course, their labor pool is cheap, so we take our tools and plans over there so they can make it and rip it off. All in the effort to cater to a populace that is, frankly, unwilling to pay a little more for any sort of quality.
I’m not impressed.
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The Chinese I will let you know are a diverse and large population willing to do the work put in front of them, unlike today’s generation. It’s a little more complicated than forced labour. Have you ever taken a look at the type of education those folks are giving their children? The amount of competition their skilled workers have to beat out just to make it in that country? You know what I see in this country, a bunch of complaining wining union workers with a trillion different sob stories and kids too lazy to want anything. Match that up against a chinaman (respectfully used) and we don’t have a chance.
Don’t you want a free market? Oh, what’s that? You really don’t believe in it? The Chinese will win. Are winning. Face the facts.
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I respectfully disagree.
The Chinese that are highly educated are a very small portion of the population living in . Their education system relies primarily on rote memorization – when they don’t have an answer, they appeal to higher authority or they look at each others answers – group sharing is extremely common. UND aviation saw a LOT of that when they first took on those students and had to slap them down pretty hard because our system classifies that as cheating, as it should.
Again, I’m not impressed. They’ve had a good showing the last 5 years, but it is a facade. They work hard because they have to if they want to, you know, eat, or live in a place with a floor.
I don’t disagree that America has it’s share of problems in education and labor, but to say China will win is extremely short-sighted. What are they going to do when they run out of water? When their skies are so polluted that they can’t breathe?
How about when they run out of minerals for mining and production? The easy stuff has already been retrieved, as we well know. Do they have the expertise to venture out of their East Asian bubble and get resources on their own? And if so, can they protect those resources and the supply line in the long term? Last time I checked their Navy is not so powerful. Do you really think they can build that up using 30-year old Soviet aircraft carriers and other stolen plans, much less provide the esprit de corps to train a fighting navy any time soon?
I don’t think so. They have a long way to go and their social and environmental issues are going to cause them big trouble LONG before they get to the point where they can field an expeditionary military.
Lots of talk coming out of there, and, yes, definitely a threat on our horizon to be taken seriously, but that’s always been the case with authoritarian regimes.
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The Chinese may be looking at helping develop the UAV civilian market since GF is fast becoming a center for UAV development.
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If what you’re implying is that foreign UND aviation students are going to take over UAV programs in Grand Forks you couldn’t be further from the truth. These kids who come over here, they’re the best of the best and if they just by chance slipped through the chance and are the least bit lacking–guess what buddy, you got a one-way ticket back home to scrub floors the rest of your life. American Johnny, well he takes out another loan and lives in his parent’s basement collecting unemployment checks. The Chinese way is the best way.
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And to address my murky point, they come over here to be pilots and nothing else. Lifelong contract. Now that’s dedication we could learn from.
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Mark, foreign students taking over UAVs is not an implication I had in mind. I’m simply saying the Chinese would have done their homework and see a future in UAVs. For all we know the US govt. has helped bring the investment$ to Cirrus too jump start the UAV industry in Duluth and GF. I am only hoping this is one industry they will let stay put but I too doubt the jobs will stay.
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Aren’t most foreign students at UND to train for their national airlines on a contract paid for by the country?
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Christensen said he thinks the Chinese company will probably want to deal with the cityâ€™s stock holdings in Cirrus. â€œThatâ€™s another good thing for the city”
Here’s how i think the Chinese company will deal with the city’s stock holdings:
699,000 shares of Cirrus common stock x $0.00 per share = $0 for the taxpayers.
Also the jobs will go away much sooner than anyone wants to admit. Remember when the Koreans purchased Bobcat? Same deal.
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If someone can do a job just as good or better than US workers (I’m realistic, I believe it’s already happened), if they can do the job cheaper than us and everyone knows accountants run factories–we GAVE UP our prize before it even went up for bid. It wasn’t TAKEN by the Chinese or the Koreans. WE GAVE IT UP. The the South Koreans deserve the contract, good for them. Workers out of work will have to step it up a notch and be competitive as they were historically.
It doesn’t always work this way, though. Look at Boeing and the 787, their outsourcing efforts completely backfired on them. Now those jobs are back in Seattle. I don’t believe in free rides. A lot of people in this community agree with that statement up until the moment it’s put to the test. Maybe they should go west and drill for oil then. They also have the right to continually be bums without pay. To each his own.
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AHHH Unions! They truly are the backbone of our labor force. They keep driving up pay and benefits for people to the point that American companies no longer make a profit and sell out. Can someone explain to me how useful the Unions are for the poor worker who was just let go and now has no pay, health care or retirement benefits? Hmmm, All of a sudden that retirement plan and health care plan isnt quite as good when its non-existent. Just think of the industry that would still be around if Unions didnt force the companies under. (GM anyone?) Unions have outlived their usefulness and now are just a cancer on society.
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The fact that unionization has been lower for the last 30 yrs. than prior to that means the transfer of wealth to the top 10-20% has gone on without much resistance.
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In Europe you don’t have a large transfer of wealth to the top because high union membership has largley prevented it. High “value added taxes” have helped a lot too. That’s why gas is much higher priced than in the US. If you’re gonna drive a limo to work every day you will pay dearly for it.
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Gas is higher priced in Europe than in the USA.
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Mark, isn’t that what I just said?
Mark – I look forward to your postcards from China…
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