January 17, 2011 at 6:02 am in INFORUM
Flood preparation is getting started earlier than usual this year.
Tags: flooding, Hoeven, mattern, nyhof, updates, Walaker 32 Comments »
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My God, can’t we at least have a break from listening to King Denny fawning all over himself about how he is the smartest flood fighter every. I’m surprised he hasn’t broken his arm patting himself on the back and high fiving himself. He truly is pathetic.
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Lib, I think you have some personal issues with DW. The only thing the article said about him was “Mayor Dennis Walaker said he doesnâ€™t know how much Tuesdayâ€™s prediction will have changed but the early probability right now points to a flood. â€œPeople have to understand weâ€™re going to do whatâ€™s necessary to protect them,â€ he said.”
Somehow you get “King Denny fawning all over himself about how he is the smartest flood fighter every”.
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Its my impression from listening to him over the years, wait until this years flood and see how arrogant he acts, then criticize me.
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It’s your perception of arrogance. Anyway, I’ll take “arrogance” over the majority of the town getting flooded any day.
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Another babbling liberal.
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But…They wont start making sandbags until last minute anyways so what good does “preparing” do?
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What good do frozen sandbags do on top of 50 inches of snow? You can’t start making sandbags now.
They have 300K or so on hand in warm storage, and projects over the past two summers have cut the number needed in half. I think some people have unrealistic and/or uninformed expectations.
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Find or build warm storage, its as simple as that. They could have STS crews working year round on making and storing sandbags. That way, when the floods come, you set them and relax, rather than trying to beat the water. I’m not sure how long sandbags will last stored in a controlled environment but I would have to think it would be at least a couple of years. I would bet you everything I have your going to need way more than 300,000 sandbags, so why not have them ready?
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Because warm storage and making millions of bags isn’t cheap, there’s only a 10% chance we will need extensive sandbagging, and in 2009′s record flood we bagged and placed more than enough with just 6 days notice, the shortest timeframe we’ve ever had.
People need to calm down. The city proved it was ready and capable of combating record flooding in 2009 and things have only improved since then.
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Just like there is a 1 in 500 year chance of needed a multi-billion $ diversion…
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Its not anymore expensive than making them at the last minute. Overtime for city employees, extra fuel because delivery routes are not planned, extra police, national guard, businesses having to close so there are not enough volunteers, feeding volunteers. I could go on and on, all of that stuff adds up when you do it on short notice.
People talking the calm approach to this is what has gotten them in trouble many times in the past. Its better to be over prepared than under prepared if you ask me. The cost of sandbag storage is going to seem minute compared to a major flood that becomes too much to hold back someday.
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AndyDL , of course it is more expensive to have city employees make them instead of volunteers and then store them in heated warehouses and recycle them every 1-2 years and start again.
The main expenses you are talking about have to do with transporting and putting the sandbags in place. Again, something that can only be done AFTER the melt.
I don’t know how anybody who has lived here the past few years could think the city is unprepared. I defy you to find another city capable of doing what this community did in 2009. The logistics of what was accomplished is mind boggling and didn’t happen by chance or by luck. Is the permanent protection as good as it could be? No, of course not, but that doesn’t mean the city isn’t ready to fight another flood.
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Right AJ, and when you look at the costs of that diversion, against the costs of all the flood fighting efforts in the history of the city, you can see why it wasn’t looked at seriously prior to 2009.
The real problem is the definition of a 100 and 500 year flood keeps changing. A flood like 2009 isn’t a big deal – if it only happens every 100 years. This wet cycle is changing our understanding of how best to protect ourselves.
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and what pray tell are those costs that you seem to know, but don’t give any concrete numbers on?
diversion money vrs money to buy out problem houses and build up needed dikes?
so what are the numbers oh great Pete?
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I had a few sand bag I used for extra weight in my pickup, when I put them in my shop to store them the bottom of the bags got weak and busted open when lifted. Makes one think about what kind of shape those 300K bags will be in.. My shop is heated and air conditioned.
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With Walaker’s experience I would certainly hope Fargo is preparing for flooding. It doesn’t take a tea leaf reader to know that we are going to flood this spring and that sandbagging et al will be needed. The only question i have is if the forecast will be over 40 ft.
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It doesnt take a teal leaf reader to know its going to flood, but it takes Walaker’s experience to know that you need to prepare? Yes, cause without old Wally nobody would know what to do at all! (sarcasm)
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What are Rick and John doing in state for? Shouldn’t they be in Washington securing funding for the flood projects?! Get crackin’!
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Perhaps you don’t know how Congresss works, they aren’t back in session til Wednesday. So they are doing their job in working on flood protection. Put down the “D” from your ideas and get a clue
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Well at least Berg made it to a meeting. That’s a start.
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As opposed to whom?
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As apposed to Sen Dorgan. He always seems to send a rep instead of coming to anything himself. At least Cong. Pomeroy came to see the issues personally.
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opposed, I think it may be time for me to sleep if I’m going to make typos such as that.
I hope they will not play the pork game and refuse to fund the diversion/ Denny’s dike, dam or ditch or what ever you want to call it.
Pete – Stay calm? Do you really think you’re going to get enough people to volunteer and make 6 million sandbags in 6 days one more time? I’m sure everyone will say yes, but when reality hits I don’t think so. People are sick and tired of this happening every year. I applaude the efforts of the local communities for the improvements in flood protection. But I don’t think that the comments from AndyDL and others should be taken in the context of “the sky is falling”. I think residents should start looking at things that could be done well in advance of “6 days” to avoid a repeat of 2009.
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Residents should look at what they can do to protect themselves. But unrealistic and unnecessary suggestions like making 3 million sandbags (the amount that would be needed this year) and storing them until spring aren’t going to help, they just rile up people who like to complain but don’t bother to learn the facts.
They have already started the planning process today, that’s what this article is about. The new forecast tonight is concerning. But there’s not a lot that can be done about it now except planning.
The area has been through this routine before; it looks like it’s time to get ready to repeat it.
I don’t think tax payers should have to bail us out again. If we get another biggy, and its really bad, the tax payers should tell us we are stupid for living here and we aren’t going to bail you again. That’s not fairy to the other tax payers. We let big corporate farmers drain their land into the little rivers and streams, and then it comes into the Red, and hits everything up stream. Can you say dumb?
Its our own fault.
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Okay, the word fairy does look a little bad in my last post. I meant fair, that’s all.
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This diversion is a waste, people need to get away from the river and let it flow where it is. Money would be better spent widening and increasing the banks of where the river is now along with the use of impoundments. Also i refuse to help sandbag or help anybody along the river with their flood issues…come on people you know theres a chance of flooding every year….get away from the river. Should be laws and regulations on how close people can build to it. Another thing that irks me is the farmers in the area…. you contribute to this flooding issue with your drainage ditches, pipes and farming practices.
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And how do the farmers add to spring floods? Ground is frozen, ditches are overflowing anyway, so they do nothing. Water stores on their fields until late May causing them to get into the field 3-4 weeks late causing them to lose bushels/acre in productivity. The tiled fields actually have capacity in them since they were drained down to field capacity in the fall versus going into winter full. The farmer excuse is the old simple fallback from the citizens of Fargo, that has no merit.
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It is all in the presentation and your attitude. Every spring we have a marathon which thousands of people train for, hundreds volunteer to help and it brings a ton of money to the local area. Do the same thing with the flood…it’s all about marketing. Red River Valley Flood Fight 2011….Rumble with the Red…after a long, cold, dark winter get out of your house and get some exercise. come to Fargo/Mhd …Sanbag filling contests….1st Price is a paid vacation next January to Hawaii. Sanbag throwing contest…The person who can throw the most bags in 1 hour gets 10 free Chiropactic vists. We could hire a band…load them on a flatbed and they could drive around providing music to various sandbag locations…..Come on it’ll be fun.
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