January 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm in INFORUM
North Dakota finally appears ready to join the rest of the nation and impose sensible restrictions on teenage drivers’ provisional licenses. Continue Reading
Tags: drivers licenses, Editorials, ND Legislature, Opinion, teen drivers 28 Comments »
I don’t understand why they can’t just increase our already robust traffic fines by as much as another 25%. That way kids would face up to a whopping $25 fine for most offenses. I’ll bet that would get their attention when the word got out.
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opinionated because our license is on a point system so we pay for it two ways one with cash and points deducted. We could raise the fines for out of state drivers to make it fair.
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Darrell, it’s a joke. If we can’t put a zero at the end of many of our fines then our region will continue to earn its reputation for being a back woods expanse that produces hicks and uneducated hillbillies. It’s $20 to run a red light and $30 to do it with your tires spinning. Make it $200 and some of our local yokels will finally get the hint. Right now we have an abundance of urban trash types who know $20 on very rare occasion is worth the gamble and having the privilege of disobeying most all traffic laws when they’re just plain not in the mood to stop or keep their speed down. Think about it, $20 to run a red light and $30 to do it with your tires spinning. We are earning our reputation.
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Why just target teen/young drivers? In my opinion, the 92 year old lady who killed a motorcyclist near Devils Lake is just as big of a menace to society as a teen or young driver. If this is really about safety and not targeting teens, and it should be about safety, then we should have a comprehensive bill dealing with older drivers too.
I grew up in a small town in rural ND, and if my classmates who lived on farms wanted to participate in sports or other church/school activities they had to drive themselves home â€“ most had driver license by the time they were 15. If young drivers canâ€™t drive after dark, many will have to quit, and with the consolidation of rural sports team (yes these teams exist even if the Forum doesnâ€™t cover them), many of todayâ€™s teen are driving much farther to participate. However, I am sure the life of rural teens is not the concerns of pointy head elites in Fargo.
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It is too bad I can only “like” this once! Awesome post Pete!
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Ironically, the original intent was to help farms who had kids helping them out. They should not be punished now with a law like this. 30 years ago, city parents knew that they could allow their kids to get licenses at 14 or 15. But almost all said no because they knew it was a bad idea. Today, many parents have succumbed to their kids peer pressure and they allow them to get their licences.
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Pete in regards to your comment, I agree about needing to determine a compromise about teens in after school sports. I think it would be reasonable to make an exception that states that a teen may drive directly from the event to home, if no other driver’s are available.
I also think that they need to strengthen the cell phone provision, to state that no cell phone may be turned on when the vehicle is in motion for anyone under the age of 18. This will eliminate any excuses or wiggle room due to texting, calling, or especially calls from other passengers in the vehicle which is JUST as distracting. No phone on, means no potential to hear it ring, vibrate etc.
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How about the parents actually teach there kids how to drive. I’m sorry but many just put them in drivers ed and behind the wheel and expect them to be good drivers. However most of these kids learn bad driving habits from there parents in the first place.
I also grew up in rural ND. I live 5miles from town and the school. I didnt get my license till I was almost 16 after I had drivers ed and behind the wheel. However I got my permit when I was 14 and my parents had me driving whenever I could get a chance. I also learned to drive before that around the age of 11 or 12. @ that same age I also learned how to be properly towed by another vehicle and how to properly tow a vehicle.
Also loose gravel is just as good to teach kids about icy roads too as both are hard to maintain control.
Take them out in cars without all that electronic crap so that they learn how a car actually reacts and they do not rely on those so called safety features that are not guaranteed to always work, been there done that best thing I ever did for abs and traction control was to disable it. Made driving much safer.
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In regards to the electronic crud. I learned without it and I drive better without it. But then again the newest car that my family owns is 14yrs old and the newest I myself own is 17yrs old. However I would much rather be driving my 28yr old pickup during the winter months.(however that is currently awaiting a engine transplant)
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Therefore you don’t know how to drive a car with electronic crud since you don’t have a car built during either of the last two presidential administrations. Modern cars are much safer and the electronics only take control when you start hitting the limits – as in, when the car is out of control anyway.
I have driven many cars that are newer, and the biggest problem I have seen is that either the systems are too touchy or do not work when needed.
I’d rather be in one of my older vehicles that is made out of steel vs the new plastic cars or is that chinese steel the new cars are made out of. I still have a steel frame under my vehicles so if I do end up in an accident my vehicle will not be totaled.
Plus why should I be driving a new car and having a car payment when my vehicles are fully paid for and I get the same gas mileage as a newer vehicle comparable?
I’d rather be in control of my vehicle then letting some computer dictate what it should be doing. If I need tires to be spinning I need them to be spinning or if I need them locked up then I need them locked up.
The reason for all this crud is cause Darwinism was working and those that couldn’t deal with that had to try and dumb down the drivers that we have today.
I work on my own cars and have worked on many others cars. I enjoy mechanics and I am not a parts replacer that you see these days in these shops now a days where they just keep replacing parts till they fix the issue. A true technician does not have to use a computer to fix a problem. Its is nice sometime to have that assistance but many times I can tell whats wrong with a car well before a shop can these days. And its funny how I will tell a friend that askes whats wrong with there car and I can tell them problem this or maybe that, and they go to a shop and $800+ later after many parts replaced they found out it was this or that. and would have been maybe a $300 fix max.
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The writer of this editorial is causing some confusion I see- Nithtime Driving Restrictions do NOT mean the teen cannot drive at night, it means after a certain time at night, not sunset. For instance in Illinois it is after 9pm on weeknights and 11pm on weekends. In Montana, which is arguably more rural even than ND, it is always 11pm.
Yes, Pete mentioned rural kids and sports above. On the average, I remember our sports teams coming back after 11 about 4 times a season. You would think that mom or dad could have the parenting skills to get off their butts and get their kids 4 times instead of risking their lives by letting them drive home. I remember a LOT of parties that were planned on those late-night bus rides home. On the flip side, I can’t think of a cop who would’ve hassled a teen who drove directly home- but again, that means mom and dad better be waiting up and make sure they are coming home.
And no, my parents never would have taken time out of their lives to come get me and I still feel like they always thought I was second place to a bingo night on Friday.
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Of course a GOOD mom and dad would have been following the bus home from the game anyways because they were there cheering on their kids!
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Pete is absolutely correct, what about the â€œelder driversâ€ many studies indicating their reactions time, hearing and eyesight all deteriorate over time. A bigger problem is the senile voters in this country.
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This topic resurfaces now and then, but it has heated up ever since that 14 year old.girl in her Escalade no less, killed a motorcyclist on 25th St a few years ago
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The motorcycles was estimated to be going 60 in a 35 on S. 25th and the girl pulled out from 30Â½ Ave. It was ruled to be the motorcyclist fault.
Also he reportedly had popped a wheelie crossing 32 Ave S. when the light turned green
Basically the guy committed suicide.
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Tell me why 14 and 15 year old need to be driving anyways?
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AndyDL; Because they do not have parents that will get off their lazy butts and take them where they need to be.
Scooter, to respond to your inaccurate post seems necessary. As it was well noted in the forum, the driver in question was 16 and was driving her parents vehicle. Is it a crime to drive your parent’s vehicle? And as another person already noted, the driver in question was found completely innocent. Speed and “showcase” driving were the circumstances that led to that tragedy. Get your facts straight before slandering innocent people.
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We’re both wrong on the age. She was 15. It doesn’t take rocket science that an Escalade would be “her parents” car. Where would a 15 year old get $45k for a vehicle? 10 hours a week at McDonald’s? It may be “their” car, but it was bought for that girl. The family lives in our neighborhood.
The kids that I have seen driving in town on these icy roads make me cringe. Just last week I looked in my rearview mirror in time to see a young girl who I witnessed on her cell phone a block back sliding sideways towards the back of my car because she was going TOO FAST and was trying to break for the red light!! Lucky I had noticed her earlier and was watching her so I was able to have room to pull into the other lane before she slammed into me. When she came to a stop (fortunate that she did and neither of us collided) I turned and shook my finger at her! I am 28 years old!!!! And all I wanted to do was open her door pull out the keys and throw them as far as I could! Two days ago I was going over the bridge on university and 52nd and a young man in a pickup who appeared to be in his very early 20′s went flying by me right before the road turned into a single lane, lost control and went in the ditch. After we made sure that he wasn’t hurt I asked him what was so important that he had to get in front of me and he said ‘I don’t know’. !!!????!!!! OMG!!!
I was raised on a farm and taught safe driving by my parents at a very early age. I recently moved back to fargo from the DL area and after 11 years and it is obvious a new generation of drivers have arrived with little to no common sense when it comes to driving on ice. I’m terrified to drive in town because of it. I pray every time I get in my car that some idiot isn’t going to put my life in danger because of their stupidity.
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I agree here. No parents in the area teach there kids how to drive they learn from video games, drivers ed(which uses simulators now) and behind the wheel. I learned in the country @ a young age but I knew that I could not just jump in a car and go I had to have a good reason to take a car or be told to drive the car somewhere.
I for one drive older cars for this reason.
If we take away their license, they’ll just drive illegally like they do with drugs, sex, and drinking. Perhaps just providing more education is the way.
Maybe their education should be teaching them some common decency. I tell ya kids these days. Just a bunch of Rabblerousers.
Scooter, It was not bought for the daughter. You are incorrect, again. I know them well and they had had the car for several years.
Scooter & Mary O\’leary; Who cares who the car was bougth for? the dauther was driving and the accident was not her fauth.
Scooter, you are so off the mark regarding the motorcycle accident a few years ago. The neighborhood she lives in and the type of car she drives are completely irrelevant to the case. The accident was so clearly determined to be the fault of the motorcyclist. He was irresponsible…the young drive just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It could have happened to anyone. There but for the grace of God it could have been you. How silly of people to comment on things about which they know nothing!
Also Scooter, you may live in the same neighborhood as the family involved with the accident but it is clear you do not know them. It just seems inappropriate to comment about people without knowing them.
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