December 18, 2010 at 6:00 pm in INFORUM
If you’re one of those folks who believes a “war on Christmas” is under way, you’ve been slurping too much holiday eggnog. Continue Reading
Tags: christians, columns, Faith, happy holidays, Jack Zaleski, Opinion, war on Christmas 59 Comments »
Concur. The far left and the far right are making way too much about a tempest in a teapot. Find something else to whine about.
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Yet not one mention about how ‘christmas’ isn’t even a xian holiday? Weak research and writing on this point.
Although, the overall topic about the secularism and business aspects of the holiday were a good one. Xians are just making themselves out to be the victims…like always. What else would they have to whine about then?
So much shopping, eating, drinking, singing, drinking. I’m sure Jesus is rolling over in his grave.
Only until Easter.
KBiz is evidence of the war on Christmas. The real whiners are the atheists. When someone is having a good time the atheists just have to put a stop to it. They want everyone to be as miserable as they are.
You certainly made Zaleski’s point.
…and zardoz’ idea of a good time is to thump his favorite targets of his bigotry with his bible. Now to the tune of “jingle bells:”
Thump, thump. thump,
Thump, thump, thump,
Her comes zard, bible in hand,
Gays, atheists, and liberals,
Better get out of his way!
The tilt of the planet is the reason for the season!
Look! I got one!
Only about 75% of the people are christians now days. Obviously that 25% should be completely shunned, so that a few thin-skinned whiners can better repress their self-doubts.
So far as I’ve been able to determine, the “war of Christmas” propaganda was started when someone in the John Birch Society published a phamphlet sounding the alarm. There is a War on Christmas, was the battle cry, and we must fight back. But it wasn’t the atheists waging the “war”, it was the Communists. So, when it came time for the faithful to find someone else to blame for everything, they morphed the war from the against the Communists to the atheists. In any event, I agree with Jack, there is no war against Christmas.
I remember when there was a manger scene in Island Park and another one on broadway. What happened to them, Jon?
they were unconstitutional and the law was applied and enforced?
Where in the Constitution is that found? Oh yes, the part that says: “The city of Fargo (ND) park district shall erect no manger scenes”. Now I remember. Right you are mgraalum.
Jon, really? I didn’t know you were blind. So why, every Christmas, do you atheists file lawsuits, work to make sure no one says Merry Christmas, and inhibit our right to enjoy the feastday? It happens EVERY year. How about we have one year that you guys just shut up? Stay home, turn the lights out, send the kids to bed without supper, and grumble.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!! I hope I offended someone!
And a blessed Solstice to you!
The war on a biblical celebration of Christmas goes back well over a 100 years. It was started by retailers in New York who began to push commercialism. Many of these retailers happened to be Jewish who couldn’t make money on Jesus and promoted Santa. Before that Christmas was just family and church. If one was fortunate to have some extra money at the end of the year they found a needy family or a mission or charitable organization that was doing some good. But of course now that the government takes care of all our needs, giving at Christmas is not so important. Perhaps after the government is gone we will need our families, churches, and neighbors again: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
giving presents, Christmas trees, lights, and other typical holiday expressions far predate Christianity. Most of the ‘traditional’ Christmas traditions date back to pagan Rome and Germany, and their solstice celebrations.
Christianity intentionally co-opted pagan traditions as basically a form of marketing in the early church.
thanks for the anti-jew stuff, as well as the crazy anti-government stuff.
shame on you for trying to educate his type!
What happened is that the early Church thought that the best way to win pagans to Christ was to take over their festivals and replace pagan elements with Christian ones. Indeed, it was so effective that we know people in Pagan Fellowships who complain that the pagan elements are almost forgotten today!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope I offended someone!
I’m an atheist, and I love christmas. We do it all, attend holiday events, sing christmas songs every chance we get. Attend parties, have a tree, presents, cooking, we it all , everything. And enjoy the hell out of christmas. Why wouldn’t we? Its one big wonderful party that everyone is attending for a month straight. Win, win.
I just don’t believe in the supernatural part of it. To me christmas and all the fun of it is like living through a month of make up that you are living and play acting a month of Lord of the Rings story. You’ve got the king, he’s trying to survive, he magically triumphs in the end. Its just play, its just a lot of fun, and its not real. But I dont’ care, its fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Merry christmas everyone.
Or more appropriately, Merry christ-myth.
mgraluum said “Only about 75% of the people are christians now days. Obviously that 25% should be completely shunned, so that a few thin-skinned whiners can better repress their self-doubts”. Nice use of stats! That is like saying “come to Fargo for a warm winter vacation because only 95% as the days are below freezing!”
Zardoz is correct, you are whiners.
What?? Looks like you bit.. you are doing the name calling and even writing poems or songs or whatever that is to Zardoz. This is a great time of year, ecspecially for Christians!! Sorry to bum you out.
…but I wasn’t whining, or thumping anybody with a bible!
This is also a great time of year for heathens, atheists, godless people too.
As I stated before, my family and I love, love, love christmas and we are most thoroughly atheist. The month of december is like one big party that everyone is celebrating together.
The music is lovely. All the holiday events are crazy good with food, drink and music and holiday cheer. We love to volunteer and give to charity and share the fun around too. I wish christmas lasted throughout the whole winter until spring comes. The christmas lights are gorgeous, magical, and help to light up the dark. Of course as an atheist family, we don’t believe in the supernatural part of christmas. Thats all balony, same as Lord of the Rings story. But its so much fun to play in with the fun and pretend. All the fun parts of christmas are mostly pagan. But even the drama of the christ child’s story is fun, like Strider/Aragon of Lord of the Rings winning against the dark Lord, so too does the baby king win over evil. Its all great make believe.
There should be more holidays like christmas.
There’s no humbug in my atheist family.
Merry christmas all!
Or, Merry christ-myth to be more exact.
Skoal! and I hope you all enjoy the festivities as much as my family has been enjoying them.
I have never understood why someone offering you well wishes, regardless of which tradition or non-tradition it is coming from, was offensive. If I were at a store and the clerk said to me, “Happy Hannukah” I would assume the clerk was Jewish and wishing to share his/her celebration. As with being wished, “Eid Mubarak.” And “Happy Holidays.”
gba, welcome to Christianity. You are worshiping Jesus as Lord.
The thing I don’t like about “Happy Holidays” is when it is used to be P.C. as apposed to being used as a geniune way to wish someone well. I am a Christian with friends and family of many different faiths and nationalities. If my friend who is a Witch wished me ‘Happy Soltice’ I’d wish her ‘Merry Christmas’ – neither would be offended and would welcome the greeting given by a friend. We spend so much time trying not to hurt anyone’s feelings or leave anyone out that we end up leaving everyone out by implying that we’re not unique and entitled to our own beliefs and traditions.
Yea if only there was a way to know exactly which religion you are so that we know how to greet you. I know I seen somewhere they sewn stars on peoples clothes that way they knew their religion. Now how it did work out?
You can believe in Jesus as god all you want Zardoz, that’s your right. Its my right to tell you I abosolutely don’t believe Jesus was anything more than just a persian or arabic man of the desert, if the dude even really existed.
Tis the season of Reason and food and light and love and drink and presents and fun!!! Just like the pagans enjoyed the solstice.
So have fun Zardoz. But please be nice enough not to brainwash your poor kids into believing Jesus was a god. That would be very bad, like telling them Santa is real.
Merry christmas all!
Merry Christ-Myth Zardoz.
Jesus is not a god Zardoz.
Santa is not a god either.
But I still enjoy very much the festivities.
A CHRISTMAS SERMON. 1891
The good part of Christmas is not always Christian — it is generally Pagan; that is to say, human, natural.
Christianity did not come with tidings of great joy, but with a message of eternal grief. It came with the threat of everlasting torture on its lips. It meant war on earth and perdition hereafter.
It taught some good things — the beauty of love and kindness in man. But as a torch-bearer, as a bringer of joy, it has been a failure. It has given infinite consequences to the acts of finite beings, crushing the soul with a responsibility too great for mortals to bear. It has filled the future with fear and flame, and made God the keeper of an eternal penitentiary, destined to be the home of nearly all the sons of men. Not satisfied with that, it has deprived God of the pardoning power.
And yet it may have done some good by borrowing from the Pagan world the old festival called Christmas.
Long before Christ was born the Sun-God triumphed over the powers of Darkness. About the time that we call Christmas the days begin perceptibly to lengthen. Our barbarian ancestors were worshipers of the sun, and they celebrated his victory over the hosts of night. Such a festival was natural and beautiful. The most natural of all religions is the worship of the sun. Christianity adopted this festival. It borrowed from the Pagans the best it has.
I believe in Christmas and in every day that has been set apart for joy. We in America have too much work and not enough play. We are too much like the English.
I think it was Heinrich Heine who said that he thought a blaspheming Frenchman was a more pleasing object to God than a praying Englishman. We take our joys too sadly. I am in favor of all the good free days — the more the better.
Christmas is a good day to forgive and forget — a good day to throw away prejudices and hatreds — a good day to fill your heart and your house, and the hearts and houses of others, with sunshine.
Robert G. Ingersoll.
gba, if you celebrate Christmas you worship Jesus. You can’t bash religion and then claim it’s benefits. Don’t be a hypocrite. Christmas is a Christian holiday. We are not pagans. We don’t worship the Sun, it is just the nearest star. At heart atheists are Grinches. They brainwash their children into atheism. There ought to be a law against that eh? Isn’t that what atheists want for everyone elses children? A law against teaching them their parents faith. This is why they are punished for saying Merry Christmas in schools nowadays. Atheists prowl about looking for any sign of Christmas that they can eradicate. Your hearts are just too small.
arguably the most hysterical post I’ve seen written on here in the last 3 months
This is really interesting. My comment here is ‘awaiting moderation” but another I put in on another topic went right through. What in the heck is up with that? If I try to say something “politically incorrect” it gets moderated but innocuous views [their opinion] sail right through?
How can one brainwash a child by not mentioning something?
I don’t believe Jesus is a god of any kind, or ever was, or will be.
But…I hope you have the best holiday ever this year.
Peace, and take care Zardoz.
gba, since you celebrate Christmas you celebrate Jesus. Deal with it.
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My kids and I enjoy watching films about Santa, we love celebrating the whole Santa thing, but does that mean we believe Sant really exists? No, we don’t believe Santa exists. I tell my kids they will never see a real Santa, because they won’t. I tell them its all pretend. The Christmas and Santa thing is just pretend and for having a good time with family and friends in the dark cold winter.
We aren’t part of the Jesus cult anymore than we are a part of the Santa cult.
So again, Merry Christ-Myth Zardoz.
I think old Scooge said it best: “You keep Christmas in your way and let me keep it in mine”.
LOL @ people getting offended for being told “happy holidays”. You are way too uptight and judgemental if you even think twice about this. Since Christians are supposed to love their neighbor despite their wrongs, etc. etc. the irony is delicious.
gba, it’s CHRISTmas. You and they are celebrating Christ. Congratulations on becoming a Christian.
Jamie, I don’t get much love from the bitter atheists.
If there is a ‘war’ on Christmas, it’s being waged not by atheists and communists. It’s being waged by Christians that do not keep the day holy. If a clerk NOT saying Merry Christmas or a Nativity scene not being displayed on public land is enough to damage Christmas, then I’d say Christmas isn’t much to begin with. Look within your own world, Christians…point the finger at each other for not keeping the day about Jesus and the miracle of His birth. Find those people and help them discover the SPIRIT of Christmas…the joy of His birth.
They call themselves the â€œChristmas Sweater Clubâ€ because they wear the craziest ones they can find. But they also sing Christmas songs at school and try their best to spread Christmas cheer.
But now all 10 of them are in trouble because of what they did at their school, Battlefield High School.
â€œThey said we were maliciously wounding other kids. The boys say they were just tossing small two-inch candy canes to fellow students as they entered school. The ones that are in plastic wrap and are so small they often break apart.
Skylar Torbett, also a junior, said administrators told him, â€œThe candy canes could be used as weapons by sucking on them and making them have sharp points.â€ He said neither he nor any of their friend did that.
Next thing they knew, they were all being punished with detention and at least two hours of cleaning. Their disciplinary notices say nothing about malicious wounding, but about littering and creating a disturbance.
â€œIt was 7 a.m. in the morning, when kids were coming to school. So I canâ€˜t see how weâ€™d be creating a disturbance,â€ said Cameron Gleason, also a junior.
The Principal Amy Etheridge-Conti says she canâ€˜t comment on the studentsâ€™ discipline, but did say there was lot more to it than handing out candy and that the discipline was warranted.
The boys admitted that their incident may have cause litter since some kids dropped their candy canes on the floor. But Cameron Gleason said he spent an hour cleaning up the dropped candy.
The boysâ€™ parents think the school went overboard and that maybe administrators were trying to stop their boys from spreading Christmas cheer.
Mother Kathleen Flannery said a administrator called her and explained that, â€œnot everyone wants Christmas cheer.
Zardoz, you are too funny. If *you* are celebrating Christmas, then really, you’re celebrating the Pagan Winter Solstice. So guess what, you’re a Pagan! Congratulations! Ahahahah! You can’t say “No, I’m not”. You’re a Pagan. “Deal with it.” I won’t even let you declare that you’re a Saturnalianist, as that was Roman and well after established practices of the winter solstice.
Furthermore, as an Atheist, I *am* sending you love and hope! I wish nothing but happiness and joy for you!
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NWS, twist as you like but Jesus is the reason for the season. No one worships Saturn anymore. If you celebrate you are celebrating Christ. If atheists are so “joyful” then why do they prowl about seeking anyone who looks happy and then try to put a stop to it? Give us one year with no lawsuits, no controversy, no billboards, no grinch like behavior. Then maybe I will reconsider my thoughts about atheism.
Thump, thump, thump!
hmmm, you may want to check your facts there. I know several people who “worship Saturn,” among others.
Oh, Zardoz. You are a hoot. So full of sound and fury, yet signifying nothing. Atheists don’t do what you’re saying they do…which makes me wonder, since you are a Christian, how do you feel Christ would feel about you lying like this? That’s no way to celebrate the Son of God, is it? Please, pray on it. Maybe God will open your eyes like he opened mine.
Nothing dissolves courtesy and civil discourse to the level of elementary school taunts quite like a Forum discussion board on religion. Thanks everyone, and Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays.
…and glad Yuletide greetings!
Merry Christmas everyone. Even the people who hate Christmas. Even the people who are angered by the good and happy feelings that people get because of Christmas. Even the people who get all their news from John Stewart. Merry Christmas.
thank god I’m a jew, that New Testament is like reading a Highlights magazine.
So if you’re Jewish it’s okay to ridicule Christian’s holy book? I would never ridicule the Talmud.
My wife loves church – if only you could get the religion out of it
Hey Art, reading the old testament is like reading one of the worst horror stories you can imagine.
To be fair though, I don’t like any so called “holy” book.
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