by Grand Forks Herald
October 28, 2010 at 3:35 am in Grand Forks Herald
Another five churches from the Northwestern Minnesota Synod have parted ways with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, according to information on the synod website. Continue Reading
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The Elca is going down the tubes.
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I agree with the Lutheran churches that are leaving the ELCA. I don’t want any gays/lesbians at the pulpit when I pray to my God about forgiving my weekly sins either.
WWJD? Hard to say since there are no direct quotes from Jesus referring to homosexuality. I give the ELCA credit for moving into the 21st century.
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“I donâ€™t want any gays/lesbians at the pulpit when I pray to my God about forgiving my weekly sins either.”
Do you feel they are incapable of understanding you? Are they not “good enough?”
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I’d like to think if there ever was a man named Jesus, and he was just a man, that he had enough love and intelligence in him to accept EVERYONE as equal in the eyes of all humans.
There are far better books to find your morals from than the bible.
I like poems by Emily Dickenson (There is speculation she was gay)
I like Walt Whitman, we know he was gay.
Shakespeare (Well, you can’t beat shakespeare.)
Keats, Yeats, Shelly, and so on and so on even J.R.R. Tolkien beats the bible for goodness sakes.
“The road goes ever on and on down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the road has gone, and I must follow, if I can, pursuing it with eager feet, until it joins some larger way where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say.” J.R.R. Tolkien
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YTBE, I know you reject all religion, and I respect that. However, in your rejection of Christianity you misrepresent the core teachings of the faith. My desire is to help you better understand the Christian faith. I don’t share this in an attempt to convert you or to prove you wrong, but to help you better understand Christianity. I hope that makes sense.
Anyway, back to the discussion. I encourage you to check out Romans 10:13 â€œEveryone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.â€ Everyone is not exclusive like you are claiming Christ to be.
Lets use a simple example (I know that all examples break down at some point). What if there was a very wealthy man and who enjoyed blessing others with his wealth. He announced that everyone could come and receive a very large gift from him. All they needed to do was to come to him in order to receive it, and also trust that he could supply this gift. It would be absurd to accuse the gift giver of being exclusive in this situation based on the premise that people needed to come to him to receive this gift. Yet this is precisely what many skeptics do to Christ. According to Scripture, Jesus never turns anyone away who honestly desires His gift.
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If they refused to go to this ‘gift giver’ would they burn for all eternity in hell?
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That’s certainly a fair question. However, my illustration/story above was shared to reveal the Biblical truth of how the God of Scripture does not reject anyone…people decide not to chose God, thus condemning themselves. All are invited to Him in order to receive salvation. That’s not being exclusive.
We can certainly discuss the doctrine of eternal condemnation, and I’d be happy to share about that. Let me use a different example (again, all examples breakdown at fully depicting the full-scope of Biblical truths). Suppose there’s a virus that spreads to the entire world, and the end result of the of the virus is death shortly after the virus is contracted. A doctor discovers the cure. The discovery of this cure came at great cost to the doctor himself. Even so, he sets up clinics around the world for people to receive the antidote at his own expense. Everyone in the world has this virus and is doomed to die without the treatment. All those who feel the doctor’s request (that people must actually come to the clinics to receive the treatment) is too demanding/inconvenient will perish without the treatment. The Doctor clearly set the boundaries for the treatment yet provides a means for people to be spared. Though the doctor set the guidelines for which to be saved, he still is the one who provided a way for salvation – available to all. In essence, it is those who do not choose the doctor’s plan for treatment that condemn themselves. Is the Doctor then being unjust by providing a means of salvation which people reject?
Conclusion: If there’s a way to be saved, and people reject that means of salvation, then they condemn themselves.
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fair, so you say homosexuality is a sin? Tsk tsk, they will hate you for that. There are no direct quotes against nuclear war either, so I guess it’s okay then.
youneed, everyone is equal and subject to the same moral law. But not all their actions are equal or good. If you don’t believe a man named Jesus existed then prove to me that Alexander the Great existed. Don’t they teach logic anymore?
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“everyone is equal and subject to the same moral law.”
False. I am not bound by your christian laws of morality.
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default, I see, so it is okay to for some people to commit murder for fun? It is okay for you to rape someone, just as long as it fits your personal moral code? Interesting when you take your ideal to its logical conclusion.
youneed, I have an extreme dislike for atheist texts. Whoever thought of living by them is an idiot.
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Rock on default user!
You sound like a nice person Livinglog, but I do fear what you might be capable of if you followed the bible exactly as its written. That would freak me out and is against current law. You can’t kill people like Jesus said if you won’t let him “reign” over you.
Thank good common sense and goodness for that, but never the bible.
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We live in a country where our Constitution insures freedom of speech. Because everyone is free to speak their mind, many people erroneously believe their ideas have at least equal weight to everyone else’s. Is everyone subject to the same moral law? Certainly. I will add, though, that the moral law is in an absolute sense, a sense that supercedes any governmental earthly law. Should Christian law be the law of the land? That may be debatable. However, as to what is ultimately right and wrong is not for an individual to determine. If there is a Supreme Being, right and wrong has already been determined. It doesn’t change like the weather or public opinion. To think otherwise would be foolish at best. If I think that smoking two packs a day, drinking a quart or two of whiskey a day, looking down the barrel of a gun to see whether it is loaded, or sprinkling D-Con on my cereal will not adversely affect me…Well, you should get my point.
You sound like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and so on to me Glen without really saying anything, Are you a politician? Or are you clergy? You could easily be either one. Take a stance man!
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I have read many of your posts. You have an extreme dislike for Chrisitans. My guess is that you have had many negative encounters with Christians or at least with people who identify themselves as Christians. You criticize them for being judgmental, and though there certainly are many who are, none are more judgmental than you, at least as you come across in your posts. If you were content in your belief, or lack of it, you wouldn’t spend so much time attacking those who do believe. Christians who are sure of their belief have an obligation to share their belief with others because Jesus commanded them to do that. They are to be salt and light. Salt is a preservative and light helps people see in the darkness. You prefer to close your eyes and sit with a blanket over your head. Why do you have the desire to convince others to also blind themselves?
There was a time when I thought much like you. I never reached the point of atheism, but I was an agnostic. Somehow my eyes were opened, the blanket was lifted. Now I no longer have to sit with equally blind friends discussing “deep” questions into the wee hours of the morning. Now I know that there were and are far more intelligent people than I who not only answered my toughest questions but asked even deeper ones and answered those too.
By the way, Tolkein believed in the Bible as did his friend C.S. Lewis. Google them and read.
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I have an extreme dislike of the Abrahamic texts, which includes the Christian bible.
The Abrahamic texts are horrible texts to live by. Who ever thought of living by them is an idiot.
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My moral code says that I should hold liberal ideas in the contempt they have earned. What liberal will argue with my moral code. I believe in only that which is good.
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Rambo, what is good? For that matter, what is liberal?
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A religious liberal, from what I’ve seen from comments by liberals on Areavoices threads,would reject absolutes and a ridgid moral code. What is good is anything they want it to be.
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If a criminal prays to Jesus for forgiveness, his “sins are forgiven.” In Christianity it seems almost anything is permissible–as long as you ask Jesus to forgive you afterwards.
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Praying to Jesus by itself doesn’t mean your sins are forgiven.
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Spoken from personal experience there Rambo? JC still not forgiven you? Perhaps 30 minutes of self-flagellation will help.
Mercous, is that another of your neutral posts? I thought you were a moderate. Maybe you could point out for us when you’re being a moderate, right when you are, so we can see what you mean by moderate.
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Umm, yes, I think you are mistaken Rambo. If you repent your sins, grace will be given to you. There is no end to the amount of grace that can be given.
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Let’s convert all the churches into blasphemy museums/ Irish pubs.
“Jaysus” with and Irish accent.
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