September 19, 2010 at 7:00 pm in INFORUM
More than 70 percent of Hawley (Minn.) Lutheran Church members who took part in a Sunday vote backed cutting ties with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
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ELCA pastors plead for members to stay in the ELCA because that is where their pension is and because their salaries depend on it. Pastors of churches that choose to leave are severely punished by the ELCA and don’t have a job. Shame on you so called “Men of God” for not being honest about why you have to support the ELCA’s position.
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If they so strongly believe its the “Christian” thing to do to deny faith to homosexuals, then they should be willing to leave the church and form a new one that will also provide pensions for THEIR clergy.
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They don’t need to form a new homosexual church, they can stay in the ELCA if they want to.
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The homosexuals got what they wanted with the ELCA. I don’t know what they’re complaining about other than they were unable to force everyone in the ELCA to accept their beliefs.
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People need to find a church that offers the Biblical based faith they desire. I can see why so many are leaving the ELCA.
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Vert, actually they should be willing to kick out the homosexuals and let THEM form a new church. That would have solved the problem.
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Zardoz, if the majority of the ELCA believed that, then that’s what would have happened…. obviously that wasn’t the situation.
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They should do exactly what they feel is important to their moral standards. And by doing so they actually prove they have moral standards. However, the trash making slanderous comments about them because they feel some strange fetish or minority group deserve better recognition, prove they have no morals. They merely want to whine and complain about anyone and everyone who has a different opinion than their own. If you read the Constitution closely you’ll see that the second group should leave.
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Oh, I so did not want to get into this . . . . . Opinionated, just exactly what does the constitution have to say about kicking the homos out of a church?
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Two groups here Mac. One is peacefully sticking to their moral values and doing what they believe is important to them. Nothing wrong with that to a sane person. A second group verbally attacks them, insults them, is constantly chucking stupid comments about their being prejudice and hate mongers and all sorts of BS. You tell me which group is full of losers! The group of whiners are basically saying everyone is entitled to an opinion just so long as it is group 2’s opinion only. We have a lot of diversity in this big old melting pot, but the ones who foremost aren’t welcome here are the ones intolerant of other’s opinions. Now that’d be group 2 dontcha think Mac? Group 1 only expressed their opinion quietly. Many people don’t like kids who worship Gothic ideals, some don’t like Jews, I don’t like illegals within our borders, many don’t want to be around smokers, and most agree our political leaders on average have a lot to be desired. But before any of us make an opinion of our own are we supposed to check with the gay tolerant group 2 to check permission for where we should have opinions? No one threw anyone out of a church, but a group did say they didn’t want them as a leader in their church. Nothing wrong with that.
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O.k., but it took me to the end of your post to figure out who was group one and who was group two. And, you didn’t answer my question regarding what the constitution has to say on this topic.
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Well Mac, I really think both groups are comperable, even though Opinionated wants to paint them as evil gun weilding demons from hell. I think he needs to further prove… how did he put it…
“A second group verbally attacks them, insults them, is constantly chucking stupid comments about their being prejudice and hate mongers and all sorts of BS” (Opinionateds quote)
In fact, if you read it, there is a contradiction. If group #1 were quiet and accepting, why would group #2 feel the need to “chuck(ing) stupid comments about their being prejudice and hate monger” .. I would think they would need to have a reason to do the “Chucking”…
Please, Opinionated, show us some proof that the homophobic group is quiet and accepting, while those they are accepting to are aggressively attacking them.
That was just a lame spin, and you now it. The church is having problems getting people to become pastors, and there are homosexuals who desire to do the job. The majority of the ELCA accepts this, and is pleased to have the volunteers. Simple as that.
If you don’t want to accept it, thats fine, but don’t demonize innocent people, its VERY UNCHRISTIAN.
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C’mon, what’s not to like??? I simply want to be able to refer to this topic as outlined by the US Constitution! I’ve not read it in its entirety, and I know I must have missed this part . . .
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To be fair, I must say my sympathy goes out to the Hawley Lutheran Church. I’m sure the pain and discord they’ve endured must be monumental. I hope they will be content in their new denomination, what ever that might be.
Also to be fair, I must state that if their decision to leave is based on believing and following the Bible literally, that would not be an accurate statement. An accurate statement would be that they’re following certain verses and ignoring others. The Bible is extremely clear about what to do to with adulterers. (stone them–the women anyway, not too much said about the male adulterers) And what to do with a woman who’s found to not be a virgin on her wedding night (take her back to her dad’s house and, you guessed it, stone her. And the poor harlots didn’t stand a chance. Curiously, there’s no real direction on what to do with the males who are violating these poor girls, but I digress. The Bible’s full of comments on sexuality, it’s just that some parts are more convenient to ignore.
There’s also tons of ceremonial law in the old testament. There’s folks who say the coming of Jesus meant that ceremonial law could be disregarded. Believe the Bible literally, except the parts Jesus said to ignore? That makes no sense.
Anyway, I’m sure these folks will never have to worry about a homo (at least an out one) worshiping in their midst. And I cannot imagine a gay pastor ever wanting to work in a church like this.
They’ll be just fine.
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Thank God I’m an Atheist.
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OK lets take this to the extreme, are you saying that if a church openly agreed to appoint pedophiles as clergy and accept their belief system that the members of the congregation could not leave? And they would be biggots if they did so????
If the church moves in a direction different from the congregation then the congregation has the right to leave. Isnt that how we got Lutherans, Methodists, Mormons …………
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