by INFORUM
ND officials plan offset to federal tax change
September 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm in INFORUM
BISMARCK North Dakota lawmakers and Tax Commissioner Cory Fong promised Tuesday to take steps to ensure that married couples don’t pay more in state income taxes next year if Congress allows some federal tax cuts to expire.
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Please explain why DINKs (Dual Income No Kids) deserve to have extra tax cuts? I am sure they need another SUV.
I would think the people who need the relief the most are single parents of multiple children. Why don’t they get the same consideration?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Single parents with multiple children already get various deductions for their children. That, along with the earned income credit, make it likely they get more moeny back than they ever pay in. You apparently know little about taxes.
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Cynthia Kaldor is correct, it’s much ado about nothing.
Democrats were ready to restore the cuts that wiped out the marriage penalty long ago. The only reason Fong can even bring it up is because Republicans haven’t cooperated in restoring them.
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Some might even say are “holding the middle class tax cuts hostage to get the cuts for the top 2%”
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No, no one ever said they were only for the rich. What was said was they went disproportionately for the rich. The one segment of our economic spectrum that saw significantly greater income in real terms and then significantly lower taxes.
We went to war, lowered taxes and borrowed the money.
Now, under the circumstances, many of the tax breaks to the middle class make economic sense. They are quite stimulative of the economy and necessary to work our way out of this recession.
However, the big money tax breaks aren’t. The theory pushed by Republicans is that the very wealthy use their money to create jobs and such. They don’t really, if they do something to create jobs they use your money through things like stocks.
If having a few very wealthy people led to a good economy, Mexico would be the economic envy of the world. The US seems to me to have a bunch of Repblicans working very hard to turn it into another Mexico.
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Marvin, all the people sitting up on the “Hill” are in that top 2% category. Since its not politically smart to vote for pay increases for themselves, they are voting for a tax cut instead.
I hope the Tea Party keeps this up, and votes them all out of office.
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And the brain washing continues–
Good News, Rich People: Poor People Don’t Want to Raise Your Taxes
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/16/good-news-rich-people/
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Wow. The economic ignorance of the people on this site in incredible! A. They were not disproportional to the rich. Some of the lower tax levels were reduced by 50%, if you are talking about a % of current vs. previous rates. The upper rates, not so much. B. Yes, the ‘evil’ wealthy are the job creators. They are the small business owners who employ most of the people in the economy. Allowing them to keep more of their money will DEFINITELY create more economic activity, either through the spending of their money or the reinvestment of their money into their business (i.e. the purchase of goods and services). C. The comparison to Mexico is just foolish. I’m not really sure where making everything ‘equal’ (taking away the ‘rich peoples’ money so we are not like Mexico) helps anyone out but the government.
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Well isn’t that sweet of the State of ND to *suddenly* care about the tax cuts, considering this is one of the only federal ones they recognized in the first place.
So when they say that ND tax is a percent of federal what they *really* mean to say is it is a percent of our federal tax plus adding back in all the stuff ND never recognized in the first place.
But whatever helps Fong get re-elected I guess…
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Wow, Kevin, an intelligent post! I commend you!
It surprises me your Fed are less than state though, I suppose you figured out a way to make your mothers basement a federal tax shelter…….
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Simple rule of thumb, Republicans put the nation in debt, Democrats figure out how to repay those debts.
Too bad it takes Democrats raising taxes to repay those debts the Republicans don’t want to take the responsability to repay.
Thats the hypocritical thing about Republicans, they espouse responsability, yet NEVER actually apply it.
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A new one for Rambo, running down Pres. Bush.
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What DOES explain the deficit spending Rambo, was Bush got us into 3 wars. He created a bandwagon of support to kill the muslims, and it was political suicide for the congress to NOT pay for these wars. This happened when Congress was Republican, and when the Democrats took over, they had to keep paying for it, or allow the troops to die.
It was Republican driven, even if the Democrats voted for it.
Whats sad, is if 9/11 had happened with a Democrat in office, and we went to war, the roles would be reversed and you would be attacking the Republicans for doing exactly the same thing…. or would you?
I kinda doubt it.
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Obama has spent three times as much in deficit as the Iraq war cost in ten years. Let’s keep in in perspective. Obama has been in office for less than two years. Let’s give him a chance to spend 10 times as much as the Iraq war before we stop blaming Bush.
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Another ill informed comment by Vertigo…… Federal spending is initiated/controlled by congress. Track who is in control of congress and you will see what the results of Democratic/Republican policies are. HINT: ‘Clinton’s surpluss’ was created with a Republican congress and the Democrats took contol of both houses on congress in 2006 til present. How’s that working out for deficit control?
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Please, Mr wright…. tell me how cutting taxes SAVES us tax dollars? That doesn’t make sense. In order to SAVE dollars, one needs to find economical ways to SPEND them.
This attitude drives me nuts. Its not about how much you pay, its the value you get for your money. You shouldn’t be as concerned about how much you pay, as you are to how its been spent. Is building roads a good expense? How about quality schools for our children? Some might disagree that 3 wars are a good way to spend our tax dollars, or bridges to nowhere.
What drives me nuts is these people who want to have all the amenities the tax dollars provide, but want to get out of paying for them. This is worse than a deadbeat dad. At least a deadbeat dad usually cannot afford to pay child support, but without exception, those who are trying to get out of paying their taxes can afford it…. especially that top 2%.
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Um, Rambo I cannot believe you could be unintentionally so myopic and dense. Not long ago, a DEMOCRAT president with a DEMOCRAT congress cut spending to the point we had a RECORD SURPLUS.
Every time the Republicans take control, we seem to get into a war of some kind and go into extreme deficit spending.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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That was lame… what did you mean by it.
I will tell you now, no matter how you attempt to brand me as an extreme liberal democrat, I am not. Nor am I conservative republican. In fact this partisan politics game you play is the worst part of how are country works, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I am very dissappointed with Obama, how he handled the bank bailout was completely wrong, he handed the bankers large chunks of cash and left the people who were suffering out in the cold. Did you know Aug had the highest forclosure rate since this all started? He did NOTHING to solve the problem.
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Your being a troll and making meaningless digs does nothing to help the problem either. You present no actual arguements and say nothing to change peoples minds. All you do is troll to annoy people.
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That was your best answer? No wonder you can’t give an intelligent answer, IQDS (Intelligence Quotient Deficiency Syndrome)
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You know, to blame it on the president is as lame as they come, and Obama… flawed as he may be, inherited a mess deliberately made by the Republicans. We all saw it coming years before the election. The only solution is to raise taxes, its our only way of making money. We MUST pay back our debts to china before they own us.
Instead of just sniping, try to figure out ways we can solve the problems, or at least address what the REAL problems are. Its not the taxes, I assure you.
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How about cutting spending instead of passing spending bill after bill? Squeezing more taxes out of us will do nothing. Our senators and congressmen will simply think of more special interest ways to spend those extra taxes.
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I’m not blaming it on anybody, no not even Bush.
Frankly its all our faults for jumping on the Destroy Iraq bandwagon. Once we hopped on that rollercoaster, we couldn’t get off- no matter what party was in power.
Its my understanding that it was the democrats who deregulated the banking industry causing the economic meltdown… but guess what.. it was US who elected them, once again making it OUR fault.
If we want solutions, though, killing the Goose that Laid The Golden Egg (yes, thats taxes) isn’t the solution. You get what you pay for, and if you slash taxes, you get second rate everything.
If we want to fix this mess, we need to elect representatives who represent US, not a party or an ideology. We need to get rid of this 2 party system and elect candidates for their merit. We need to get rid of special interests so the candidates have our interests formost. We need to completely change campaign financing so ANYBODY can run for office, not only wealthy lawyer carreer politicians.
Until we do these things, no amount of tax slashing is going to help, no amount of budget slaughtering is going to appease the gods.
Frankly, your ideology is misdirected and you hurt your cause by being a troll. Try posting like this one stating problems and solutions. You might even pull your rating up above bright red.
Until then, people can only respond to your empty rhetoric and you will never make progress.
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Well Sundown, saying “slash everything” means nothing.
Might I suggest we vote for candidates who support single issue bills only. No bundling, no ammendments or last minute additions. This way, we don’t get hidden pork, and the president will only veto the things he doesn’t like instead of being extorted to sign a bill with pork no citizen wants.
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I have troubles believing you are so out of touch with reality, Rambo. We ARE booming. The money the congress spent kept us out of a depression. Its not great, but the economy IS growing and not shrinking because of what they did.
Am I happy with how it was done? Definitely not. We should NOT have just bailed the banks out after they screwed so many American citizens… I was one of them who had my house forclosed upon because of a predatory loan. It could have been handled MUCH better. Instead of bailing out the banks, they should have restructured the loans of everybody with loans designed to fail.. paid off the capitol to the banks with the money they just handed to them free and clear. Then passed laws to forbid issuing predatory loans and credit cards. Instead, there were more forclosures in Aug than since it began. The banks are STILL gouging American Citizens.
They did NOT take care of Citizens, only the banks.
PS. Raising taxes isn’t the magic solution, its the ONLY solution. Perhaps you might have some other suggestion as to how we can raise 3 trillion dollars to pay China back. I know, lets sell all of our 6 year olds to them!!!
One of the problems with this whole situation… and yes, it started with Bush and his tax cuts, is we have taken NO responsability for our debts. We go to war, and BORROW money to pay for it while cutting taxes. WE aren’t paying OUR debts like responsable people, we are dumping it on our childrens backs…. and their children… and THEIR children.
These are OUR debts, Rambo, OUR responsability to pay them back. How do you suggest we do it?
Please don’t say… BLAME THE DEMOCRATS…. its not a solution.
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The policy that made the sub-prime loan fiasco possible was put in place by the Democrats under Bill Clinton. It’s history that the Democrats are doing their best to ignore and hide. Of course, the main perpetrators in this mess were Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. Where have we seen them lately. Well surprise, surprise, they’re in leadership positions on the banking committees in the house and senate. I don’t know what your circumstances were in losing your house,Vertigo, and it is very unfortunate that happened. Tax revenues have generally increased over the years but spending has far outstripped any possibility of catching up. The government is now spending almost a dollar they don’t have for every one they do. There is no way we will get control of the deficit and corresponding foreign debt till we get spending under control. The people of this country will dig us out of this hole, not the government.
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I realize it’s popular to say “tax the rich more”. Unfortunately that’s not going to do anything to get us out of our economic mess. Obama and the Democrat controlled congress are perceived as big government anti-private enterprize so those in a position to create new jobs are not willing to make a move right now. By cutting spending I don’t mean they have to “slash everything” but they do have to quit passing bills such as the $50 billion jobs bill that they have no possible way of paying for. Government can’t create real jobs. Only temporary “make work” jobs. Even Cuba is finally coming to the realization that private enterprise is the only thing that works in the long run. Instead of considering the people in the position of being able to create private sector jobs the “enemy” Obama and the democrats shouldn’t be talking about raising taxes and trying to pass other obstacles to job expansion like “cap and trade” but trying to create a business friendly climate. It’s easy to blame Bush but the Democrats controlled the senate 4 years and the house 2 years of Bush’s 8 years. The current situation is bigger than the United States alone. It’s basically a world wide recession much the same way the Great Depression was.
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Before I respond, I just want to comment how much the dialogue has improved. There is much more constructive statements, and what is said WILL be read and possibly help people to understand the issues better, so they can make better decisions at the polls. This is how you change peoples minds, Rambo, and it is effective. Keep this up and not only will your rating improve, but you may actually make a difference with the time you spend here.
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Erg… .sorry, don’t have time.. guard this weekend and will be cut off of puter time….. sorry.
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To be completely fair, it was a Democratic President with a Republican Congress that balanced the budget. The only difference between now and then is that Republicans were willing to work with Democrats to help solve budget problems. Now Republicans just act like petulant toddlers, holding their breath till their face turns blue in hopes it gets them what they want.
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Why would someone pump gas for a living at a self-pump station?
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Now you tell him.
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I’m feeling some negative vibes here. It’s probably just my imagination.
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Maybe North Dakota should just get it over with and secede from the Union. Is it sumpin’ in the water?…
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Maybe North Dakota should just get it over with and secede from the Union. Is it sumpin’ in the water?…
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None of this will get better until we begin to elect statesmen instead of politicians. The Repubs are yelling at the Dems and they are yelling at the TEA Baggers who seem to be trying to outscream everyone.
I’d like to see the constitution amended to give a president one six year term and then out to pasture. The vp would be the person running against the president that got the next highest amount of votes. Each district would elect two reps, one liberal and one conservative. States would elect two senators one liberal and one conservative. The vp would have no vote to break a tie. The people we elect would be forced to sit down and negotiate with each other to enact legislation.
Right now our govt is acting like a bunch of European soccer players with all the nastiness included. The lunatics, right, left, and center seem to be running the asylum.
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How about just decreasing the tax rate overall for everybody? Favoring married couples or those with children should not be the role of any government. Single people who choose not to have kids should not be penalized under our tax system. Those who have kids should get no special treatment. You should absolutely not get any government money if you make babies you cannot afford and shouldn’t have created in the first place. You should have gotten an abortion or put your kid up for adoption if you were too stupid to not use birth control.
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I agree with this statement. The purpose of taxes is to raise revenue for government operations and nothing else. It should not be used to encourage one lifestyle or another. It is not up to the government to use taxes to punish or reward one group of people at the expense of another group.
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I have noticed this too. I think the mods are drinking the cool aid.
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