by Grand Forks Herald
August 28, 2010 at 5:30 am in Grand Forks Herald
Tags: elections 2010, glen beck, jefferson memorial, Martin Luther King, Washington 73 Comments »
I have a dream that someday race baiters will actually listen to Rev. King and heed his words.
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MLK stood for the exact opposite of what Beck’s rally was about. Like Sharpton said at the real King rally the Beck rally was made of people who in the 60s referred to civil rights advocates as troublemakers.
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Yes, Sharpton. What a guy. False accusations, anti-Semitism, what a guy.
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Spearman â€“ Iâ€™d bet a soda that around half the people at the rally werenâ€™t alive in the 60â€™s and another twenty percent or so were little kids, like me, so your claim that they are all bigots should be backed up with some proof instead of another unsubstantiated claim that you are so given to make in these comments.
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Tucker, Don’t be so literal minded. Obviously when I say the people at the Beck rally are the same the ones that in the 60s referred to Civil Rights activists as trouble makers I’m referring to the attitudes they hold that are the same. BTW I don’t make claims I can’t back up.
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Well, you still haven’t backed this one up. In god we trust, all others must bring data.
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You outdo yourself with the idiocy of each dumb comment you post. spearman.
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I used to be a Republican until they started pandering too the religious fundamentalists. They lost me; religion and politics is a dangerous combination.
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So you became a Christian fundamentalist hater Democrat I suppose. That’s sure something to be proud of. Good riddance to you.
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The radical right has driven more than just you from the party. Allot of my friends have left. It is sad how the GOP has been high jacked by these people.
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What a gut that Beck is laughing all the way to the bank as he and his sponsor rake in $millions selling overpriced gold.
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Did YOU buy any gold as a result of “pressure” from Glenn Beck? If you did, who would be the fool? It’s called free enterprise, spearman. No one is forcing anyone to buy gold.
So why is it OK for Obama and his losers in Congress to actually force Americans to buy health insurance against THEIR will?
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The point is none of his viewers know that is the real purpose of the show, to enrich Beck, free enterprise or not. I would hate to do business with since you seem to have “Wall Street” ethics. Some heros you have.
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And who is your hero? Karl Marx? Joseph Stalin? Saul Alinsky?
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And how do you “know” that? What is YOUR purpose for working – if you actually do? To try to dupe the public with lame conspiracy theories?
To reasonable people you appear to be a kook.
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“For too long, this country has wandered in darkness.”
I think what Beck is really saying is that he prefer this country should wander in “whiteness”.
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Some real genius there, Chuck!
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I very much doubt you ever actually watch Glenn Beck Chuck. He just had a series on the history of race relations in America and he is not a racist. Try actually watching him before you judge.
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Yeah, saw part of that series. He was bragging about how the founding fathers allowed blacks to fight alongside them in the Revolutionary War. He even used a painting of Washington crossing the Delaware as proof (as if it were a photograph) but failed to mention that the founding fathers distaste for the black soldiers was so great that they forbade them from further fighting and sent them home. They would have rather lost to the British rather than fight alongside “negroes”. The only blacks who DID fight were slaves, such as the lone black face in that boat crossing the Delaware.
His “history” is little more than revisionist propaganda.
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What is your data source, Chuck? Mother Earth News? Media Matters? Maybe some revisionist, anti-founders history book without a bit of factual data to support lame claims?
Go back and read genuine articles and accounts, written in the handwriting of people like Washington, Adams and Jefferson. You insult our founders and the struggle to create a free nation.
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Uh that source would be uh Al Sharpton.
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Hernandez, you have no clue what in the hell you’re talking about. None whatsoever. If you think I’m so wrong, then PROVE me wrong. Make me look like a fool.
Of course, as I have historical accuracy on my side, and you have little more than innuendos and mindless rants, your efforts will be in vane.
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I looked up the article “Black Americans in the Revolutionary War” in Wikipedia. According to it black Americans both free and slave fought on both sides during the Revolution. 40,000 or more African Americans were free by 1770. Crispus Attucks an African American who may also have been part Native American was the first Patriot killed by the British at the Boston Massacre. Black men were included in the Minutemen. The article said around 20,000 fought for the British side and around 5,000 for the Patriot side and said nothing about them being sent home before wars end though it is true that some states passed discriminatory laws after the war.
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That may be true for 1770, but in 1792, the United States Congress formally excluded the African American from military service.
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That would explain all the black dignitaries he had speaking during his rally. (rolling my eyes at the idiocy of your remark.)
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Boo hoo. 300,000 Americans, including King’s daughter gather to support our troops. But they are the “wrong” color eh? Who are the real racists?
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I thought it was his niece and she was there to push her anti-abortion agenda. The actual crowd size was 87,000.
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Alveda King is the daughter of Dr. Martin Luther King’s brother. Only CBS estimated the crowd at only 87,000. Most credible sources placed the estimate at over 300,000.
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Yes, that would make her MLK’s niece as I stated. CBS isn’t credible? Beck’s estimate of 300,000 is credible?
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NBC news estimated 300,000 as did a Park Police official though unofficially since the Park Police no longer do crowd estimates. Just by looking at the photos showing the crowd size and looking at other events that have occured on the mall I would say 300,000 is likely.
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spear, so you don’t like King’s niece? You racist. Why do you hate black people?
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MLK stood for anti war. That’s why he was assassinated by the MIC.. She does a disservice to his memory. The Beck people are cheerleaders for war against Islam. MLK would have been totally against their position on terrorism.
I don’t remember hearing the word war at the Glen Beck rally, oh I bet that’s when I turned over to watch Sharpton-ya right!!!
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spear, so you are spokesman for Dr. King and his niece is not? I bet you talk to MLK every night. He was murdered by a lone gunman. Or was it the Klingons?
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Dozy, Where have you been for the last 20 yrs. The family of MLK had a trial for James Earl Ray and he was acquitted. The family had become convinced even before the trial that the U.S. govt. murdered MLK. Look it up. You really need to get up to speed here.
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Dozy , Here’s the King family website where you can read about Ray’s acquittal. http://www.thekingcenter.org/kingcenter/Transcript_trial_info.aspx
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I expect Ray showed up for the trial? Like you some of them see advantage in claiming that the government was behind it. When we all know it was the Klingon empire. Didn’t you read the groundbreaking book by Dr. Emil Sasparilla?
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No King didn’t show up but many witnesses were called on a daily basis over a 2 week period with overwhelming evidence Ray was framed by various state and Fed. orgs. He was a danger to functioning of the “military industrial complex”. You guys that can only argue using sarcasm are so useless.
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spear, we just had a trial. And we found that YOU are guilty! Report to prison immediately. All hail the Romulan empire!
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Here’s a website that clearly describes Beck’s conversion to Mormonism in 1999 and his ultra-right wing John Birch Society heros who are also Mormons. Mormons believe Blacks are cursed with black skin because Cain killed Abel and was punished with black skin. How sick is that?
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Wow! All sorts of limp credibility there, Spearfisher …..
About as much as your bibliography for the nuts behind the events of 9/11. Are you a follower of White Noise Insanity and Media Matters too?
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Is that all you can do is name call instead of deal with the facts?
Spearman, speaking of facts……………………………………..
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btw Hernandez I’ve never been to the sites you insinuate as my reading material. If the official King Center site isn’t credible then what in your world is credible?
The official King Center is not the one making stupid accusations about Glenn Beck, the Mormon religion, racist charges against decent, God fearing people and ignorant claims that the U.S. Government and the CIA were behind the tragedy of 9/11.
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According to Mormon history and authoritative Mormon teachers, the Negro, as they were referred to, are a cursed race because they were not faithful to God in their first estate (the pre-existent life with God). Hence, when they are born they are born in black skinned families.
The early Mormon church was highly prejudicial against black people. And though there has been a change in attitude to blacks as of June 9, 1978 when they were finally allowed into the Mormon priesthood, it cannot be denied that Mormonism was, up until very recently, a segregated church.
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Hernandez, Oh, of course, how silly of me to not see this sooner. The only credible source for you is News Corp. and any other Tory rag.
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Hernandez, So what isn’t true at altnet about Beck and the particular right wing Mormon literature that he supports on his show; e.g. Cleon Skousen’s books, et al. You can say all you want about 9/11 as unrelated to far more complicated scenarios than the official story but until you indicate you are familiar with the scholarship about U.S. involvement you lack credibility.
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Hernandez, I don’t buy the CIA/911/conspiracy argument any more than you, but have issues with your argument that “decent, God fearing people” are, by their very nature, pure and clean and beyond reproach. It was “decent, God fearing people” who did the following:
1. The series of Inquisitions
2. Kept and killed slaves
3. Killed Indians with smallpox infected blankets (among other means)
4. Fought against Women’s suffrage
5. Fought for segregation
6. Attacked and murdered civil rights workers in the 50′s and 60′s
7. And thousands of other barbaric and inhumane acts
I’m not insinuating that “decent, God fearing people” are any worse than those who are neither decent, nor God fearing, but by no means are they better.
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I think that christan religous groups are the ones that can do the most horrendous acts thoughout history. They have that fall back that God will forgive them no matter what. The crusades to the holy land is just one example. Take God out of the equation with government it’s a mix that will brew into disaster.
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More urban legends and BS from the Left. Show us actual, documented and proven data, Chuck. You just write things you have heard somewhere and branded them as unvarnished truth. It makes you look foolish.
Next you will be telling us that Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and Timothy McVeigh were God-fearing Christians
The Puritans believed they were God’s “chosen people” and that they were going to colonize “The New Israel”. They and their descendant Protestant sects proceeded to wipe out about 9 of the 10 million Natives in the U.S. over the next 300 yrs. That’s history 101 but for the cognitive dissonent chauvinist types here it’s urban legend.
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You have still failed miserably to provide the readers here with extensive documentation to back up any of your gross and grandiose claims, Chuck. Put some facts where your blather is!
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Sorrt. That was for another genius – spearman.
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that’s a crock full. The pilgrims befriended and relied upon the Indians for their very life and would have starved had it not been for the kind aid of the Indians–they took great pains to maintain a good relationship with them. The problems with Indians only began with subsequent white immigrants many years later. Oh and for the “America was not founded as a Christian nation” crowd– see the Mayflower compact…
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By the way – by definition, none of those you cited, Chuck, could be labeled as genuine “decent God-fearing Christians “, could they? That is, if they did all the things you claim – in the name of Christianity.
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Atheists killed 100 million people in the last century. They win in the killing contest. Btw, it was religious people who freed the slaves.
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Zardoz, another myopic, revisionist, semi-accurate historical fact from you. Yes, it was Christians who freed the slaves, but it was also Christians who OWNED THEM, and you know it.
It’s a good thing for you that fibbing is not one of the deadly sins.
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The Muslims were in the slave trade much more than the Christians. Why do you never criticise them?
Chuck, in the Soviet atheist gulags the Christians were slaves of the atheists. I guess that was not a sin to you eh?
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Hernandez, Chuck is probably a Xian by culture so naturally he is going to focus on his cultures sins. Extensive slavery preceded both Xianity & Islam. They were both prisoners of their time and can’t cause an institution like slavery to go away early in their existence as forces for good. It seems Islamic countries practiced slavery longer than the West, but if you define slavery as modern western imperialism taking over 3rd world countries economies and paying gold miners et al types of workers little or no wages, that is slavery pure and simple.
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Zardoz– religious people ( from the North ) freed the slaves from religious people ( from the South.) wow- So then that makes the North more religious! and the slaves show their graditude now by voting with the NORTH. So now the republicans vote with those bad southerns who had the slaves now? Thanks, it clears allot up about this situation. Actually makes it real simple to understand-
What a stupid statement. Had it not been for the Republicans in Congress, preceded by a bunch of other Republicans – including President Eisenhower – President Johnson would not have been able to get the Civil Rights Act passed. It was the Democrats and Dixiecrats who fought against integration of the schools way back in the 1950′s.
Have you been another victim of distorted history? Looks that way.
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“Have you been another victim of distorted history?” Not I, but apparently you have- Now if you want to talk about stupid statements , here goes & now we know who made the stupid statement– You are correct in part of it- “President Johnson would not have been able to get the Civil Rights Act passed.” but since than the parties have flip-flopped– time to wake up its 2010– Earlier this week, RNC Chairman Michael Steele told a group of 200 students at DePaul University that African-Americans “don’t have a reason” to vote for Republican candidates.
During his remarks he also acknowledged that for decades the GOP pursued “‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South.” “We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” he explained.
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Regardless of what religous groups killed more people at what time, religon mixed with government doesn’t work. There are to many hidden agendas for both parties to work toghter effectivly. A prime example is in the midevial England in order for the King to make and kind of acts of war he had to have the blessing of the Pope in order to prevent being excommunicated from the church if he was going to war with another christan kingdom. The Pope in essense had control over who fought who. This is a terrable about of power for a religous organization to possess. With Glenn Beck saying he wants people to pray more and all this when he is going for a public position scares me, Not in the fact that we are going to have to ask the Pope to go to war but just that he isn’t going to have a 100% unbiast view when he looks at a situation. There isn’t anything wrong with being a christan in government, i just think it will impead positive forward change.
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Yes, we need more states like North Korea. A paradise where religious people know their place…the gulag.
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This is funny…
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Zardoz cherry picks his history just like he cherry picks which commandments to follow or ignore. Number nine is obviously not of any great consequence to him.
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Just think how smart the ranter’s and raver’s would sound if they watched Glen Beck more often. But no, they have to read the great Huffington report , Ed Schultz (yea he’s a great one) watch NBC, ABC, AND MSNBC and worse yet our “great” leadership we have in Washington right now. By the way these are the same people that run down and made fun of one of the biggest events held in our great nation, the event hosted by none other than Glen Beck filled with parents and thier children, people of religion, black and white and unlike most left-wing events was not filled with hatred, fights or riots. If Al the mouth Sharpton really wanted the nation come together he would have joined the Glen Beck event, but you see this is one source our ranter’s and raver’s use to get their information.
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Gary…you KNOW this about ‘the ranters and ravers’? Isn’t it possible that people that disagree with Beck do it after careful consideration? Saying you KNOW where these people get their information is as silly as people that say they KNOW Beck’s motives.
Personally, I BELIEVE his motives are nothing but…money. I have zero reason to believe otherwise…but at least I state it as an opinion.
Sadlly, I think, there is little today that isn’t done for financial gain…and I have very little faith in either R’s or D’s, leaders of any “movement” or, even, every day people that post on many many blogs and message boards.
So…dueling rallies…big whoop. Rev Sharpton, Glen Beck…tomato/tomahto in my book.
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Poor Chuck. He asks me to prove something to make him look like a fool. Anyone else here think I may be too late?
I wonder how much the church paid him to give that speech. His speech seems contrived to entice doubters back into the fold. The church regards doubt as poisonous, but doubt is the bedrock of scientific inquiry.
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Captain, Who and what church?
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