by INFORUM
California’s Prop 8 repeal could affect North Dakota
August 5, 2010 at 7:00 pm in INFORUM
It was a decision made in a courtroom some 1,800 miles away. It only applies to the state of California; the federal judge who made it went on to stay it in anticipation of an appeal, which came promptly. Continue Reading
Lynn Olund’s concern is completely without merit. Churches would never be required to perform marriages, just as they are not required to now. While most states (perhaps all?) allow clergy to act as agents of the state in granting marriage licenses, this does not require them to perform the act for anyone who wants it.
Either way, Judge Vaughn R. Walker has presenting an impressive 136 page opinion.
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Judge Vaughn R. Walker, stated that the people can not vote on taking away human rights for ANYONE. It is about time this country stops denying some people their rights, given to the by our constitution.
If you all remember, back in the days of discrimination against blacks, the people also voted against giving blacks the rights we all have. It was alos against the law for a black person to marry a white person.That was overruled also. Thank God for that.
I get a kick out of some people saying, well they can have all the rights that I have, but they just can not get married. DA. Just one right taken away is not what our constitution is all about.
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It is amazing to me that every time a judge over rules the “people’s will” that they are ruling against the constitution. I want someone to point out to me where in the Constitution it says people of the same sex can not be legally joined in the eye’s of the government. The argument that it is not permissable in the eye’s of God does not hold any merit, since there is a seperation of church and state in this country. If you don’t like it either over turn the constitution or move to Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabi, etc… That way your government can run your life according to religion.
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It doesn’t matter if the founders intended it or not, Zardoz. The founders had slaves too. We now know that is morally reprehensible, as is discrimination against gays who have no interest in you, but about whom YOU are obsessed with oppressing.
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I knew SOMEONE would have to go there. The old “pets and farm animals” defense. Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds and how it destroys any shred of credibility your argument might otherwise have?
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Actually you are wrong. The church can not be forced to marry anyone they do not want to. If it were true, a Catholic church would have to allow me to get married there without any changes made by me. I am a Lutheran by the way. I know this to be true because I lived it. You will have to take your fear mongering elsewhere.
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Just like when they forced the Catholics to marry protestants, Jews, and Muslims right? Right? Wait….
And honestly, what is inherently wrong with polygamy? As long as all members consent, I don’t really see what the problem is. The majority of societies in history supported polygamy. I personally find the idea abhorrent, but that’s just me.
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You don’t have to be married by a minister, and not everyone wants to be. My husband and I had an outdoor ceremony, officiated by a nondenominational justice of the peace. You are paranoid and delusional. Nobody can or will be able to foce a clergyman to marry someone they don’t want to. What is so wrong with allowing homosexuals to join in a civil uninion, officiated by a non-clergy member?
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Zardoz, why in the world would Jews lobby to get married in a church? They already do.
And just what is your hangup with homosexuals? Have some kind of negative experience?
What possible interest would gays or lesbians have in polygamy, anyway?
And what’s with the bestiality thing? I’ve only ever heard on one guy who got caught at that, and he had a wife and kids.
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No, not the catholic church or any church for that matter is required to perform a marriage cerimony if they don’t want to. Most churches will accept to get the money but the couple must go though a counceling session with the preist that will perform the cerimony. I went though the same thing that Please Explain went though. I would have had to convert to catholisism in order to get married there. So your whole gays are taking over out country and they are going to sue the world quier is shot. Please seek help for your paranoia and i wish you the best with the Lords blessing.
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@zardoz : how do you know that homosexuals will try to force the church into marrying them? Since you have such a big problem with gays, you probably don’t actually talk to any of them to see what it is they DO want. You don’t know anything about gays except for the ignorant stereotypes perpetuated by the religious right. Not a single one of my gay friends has any desire to get married in a church. You are spouting off about something you have NO idea about.
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The constitution does not ban all rights not explicitly granted by it. It is meant to protect unalienable rights and grant the federal government specific powers. So even though the Constitution does not spell out the right for same sex couples to marry that does not mean they are unable to.
I strongly believe that the solution to this problem is to separate the religious and state aspects of unions. Religions should be able to grant marriages (allowing religious institutions to choose who to marry according to their beliefs and practices) while the state can grant civil unions for all couples, giving them the same privileges (state and federal) that married couples enjoy today.
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The U.S. Supreme Court in a 1967 (I think) ruling, Loving v. Virginia stated, “Marriage is a civil right”. So, to deny this on the basis of sexual orientation is wrong. So, marriage between two consenting adults should not be denied regardless of sexual orientation in America.
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If only you understood what that means…
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(Hint: The Constitution grants the Congress the power to pass laws and enter into treaties which shall be the “supreme law of the land.”
In fact, they even threw in a nice little kick in the pants of the states in Article Six:
“…shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”
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@Dent, marriage is a LEGAL practice. The wedding is religious. Even if they go into semantics with it (granting civil unions for all), everyone will still declare themselves married.
The ceremony and the contractual signing should be kept separate. I don’t see why clergy should be allowed to act as agents of the state. Not to say that they shouldn’t, either, but it would seem like a good way to simplify things. Go to your church for the religious ceremony, and go to the courthouse for the legal process.
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Zardoz, you don’t have to convert to Catholicism to marry a Catholic in a Catholic church, but you do have to promise to raise any children that come from the marriage Catholic. If you refuse they will not marry you.
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“There is nothing in the Constitution that gives homosexuals the right to marry.”
Is there anything in the constitution that forbids homosexuals from marrying?
Is there anything in the constitution that gives heterosexuals the right to marry?
Actually, is marriage even mentioned in the constitution?
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“The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage was a fundamental right and … the constitution made no explicit mention of interracial marriage either… under our system of government, voters can’t deprive minority groups of their constitutionally guaranteed protections.” (paraphrased comments by Ted Olson, conservative lawyer on Fox News Sunday today). Here is a link to the YouTube video of what he had to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwSprkiInE&feature=player_embedded
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Zardoz; I have read that the ones who complains the most about gays, are really closet gays themselves. They only vent their anger, to prove to themselves that they are not gay. Yes, many gay people just can’t accept the fact that they were born gay. I can understand that; as who would choose to be gay, and to be hated so much by others?
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If some people had their way, the disabled would still have no rights as well. I don’t understand how fear and hate can lead some to try to deny basic human rights.
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Just let people live and be happy. If that involves being married and getting divorced like every other man and women out there, by all means go for it.
Are you sure you really want to though?
50% of them don’t work out. Good luck to all of us.
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Jesus, save me from your followers!!
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What a profound comment.
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Makes you kind of wonder if he realized what he said, doesn’t it?
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whoa…did I hit a nerve, wes? Take a few deep breaths…hang in there buddy!
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you guys have never seen that bumper sticker? it was supposed to be a joke
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Hopefully, this case will be the ‘Loving v Virginia’ for marriage equality and all the states will make marriage available to everyone.
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Well, I think your comment was hilarious. Providing you meant it to be ironic. If it wasn’t . . . well, then. . . it was stupid.
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Why do people in this society feel the need to control the happiness of others? What harm is there in allowing gay citizens the right to marriage? It would be nice to live in a society where we are not judged by the norms, and discriminated against by the intolerance of others.
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I think thou dost protest too much.
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Wow, haven’t seen that in a whole long time!
Nahhh….
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Hahahahhahahahahahah…yeah and they all run around willy-nilly trying to force anal sex on you. Lookout Zardaz…
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[citation needed]
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Oh good grief. The gay population of the planet does not think with one brain. There are gays who are Democrats, gays who are Republicans, gays who are students and gays who are teachers, gays who are police officers and gays who are crooks, gays who have clean spiffy homes and gays who are messy. Some are poor, some are rich, some are smart and some, like you I’m afraid, would use some of that there book larnin’.
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I love how the 2 gay guys in the front of that pic, are better looking than about 99% of the people that hate them and seek to deny them rights.
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@Zardoz I’d love to think you aren’t be serious about the cat thing OR that “gays are out to seek control”. If you honestly believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Zardoz might be?
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Why don’t homophobes leave the gay people alone? How are they hurting you?
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Whaaa? Are you delusional? Are you forgetting all the horrific murders of gays done by homophobic haters? All the violence committed against LGBT people for the sole reason of their orientation? Matt Shephard? Here’s a list you can consider while you try to come up with examples of gays burning down churches, destroying marriages, and ‘eliminating’ people they disagree with. (If you feel your marriage is threatened by gays being allowed to marry, maybe your marriage isn’t very strong to begin with. )
http://www.baptistwatch.org/content/hatecrimes.html
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Seems to me, “normal people” are the cause of more hate, intolerance and violence against gays then vise versa, Zordoz.
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Nicholas Gutierrez probably got tired of Mary Stachowicz trying to cram her beliefs down his throat. A great example in favor of leaving people alone.
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@Zardoz, I heard of her. She is a single woman killed by a psychotic youth with a history of childhood abuse. He killed the woman not because of her beliefs but because of a psychotic lapse which caused him to relive the abuse he received from his mother. In a violent fit of rage, he killed the woman. He was convicted appropriately and will serve life in prison.
It was a travesty and it’s a shame such bigoted groups would abuse the tragedy of her death for some dishonest personal gain. The woman died. She was the victim of of a young man who grew up in an abusive household. Her death was not the result of “gays attacking heterosexuals” but the sad consequence of domestic abuse.
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So you are saying they destroyed your marriage and family and burned down your church? Give me a break, Zordoz.
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I like the way you write Nicole…
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Zardoz
That’s horrible. There is no reason for violence against supporters of Prop 8. It isn’t an excuse, but these still don’t come close to the violence and hatred toward gays. And, the country has a history of violence on both sides when those fighting for civil rights are denied rights by those opposed to them. Americans who are denied equal rights are often very passionate and do get violent toward people who want to deny them their civil rights. It’s a sad fact, but the fight for civil rights is no stranger to acts of violence. We can only hope that some day all citizens of the United States will have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious beliefs (or lack of), physical ability, age, etc…
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I’m sorry, but ‘Stachowicz’ definitley doesn’t sound like any Christian name I’m familiar with.
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Gosh darn… In the 60s, black people who didn’t like being denied a decent education, or being able to attend a movie, or drink out of a water fountain were told the same thing. If one would follow your silly argument to its logical conclusion, nothing anywhere would ever be improved because those who pointed out problems would be whisked off to somewhere or other.
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So Zardaz saith, “Gays are more intolerant then anyone else in our society.” Oh yup – unhuh, unhuh…well okeedokee then. Good Lord…
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Actually wes, I prefer hahahahahahahha!
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For every example you provide, I am sure there are at least, at LEAST 10 examples that can be provided where gay people have been the targeted of hatred, intolerance and violence. I can think of several stories of gays who were beaten simply because they were gay or perceived to be gay.
Canada Bans all anti-gay discrimination so the fines were legal and just according to Canadian law. We could learn a lot from those more liberal minded Canucks.
So again, I ask you. How have gay people directly harmed YOU?
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Just reminding everyone that this is the internet, and Zardoz is an obvious troll… the most basic rule of internet 101 is “DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!”
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choffert – I believe you’re on to something. Up until today I thought he was simply an ignorant, hateful little man(?). But then it dawned on me. Nobody real could actually stand for/against everything he claims to stand for/against. TOO FUNNY! We’ve all been duped. I salute you brother Zardoz. Mission accomplished and welcome home!
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I just better be sure to read your comments quick before they are “hidden due to low comment rating”.
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Keep telling yourself that, Wes. Keep telling yourself that. Eventually, you might even believe it.
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Oh hey, look…another response from zardoz that’s filled to the brim with hot buttons…what a shocker!
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Zardoz, I wonder just how much real conservatives appreciate your comments?
All I can say is, thank God you’re not a liberal!
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Actually, don’t feed the trolls is rule no. 14.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Rules_of_the_Internet
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““All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.†– Thomas Jefferson
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“A community is democratic only when the humblest and weakest person can enjoy the highest civil, economic, and social rights that the biggest and most powerful possess.” -A. Phillip Randolph
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Matthew Wayne Shepard (December 1, 1976 – October 12, 1998) was a 21-year-old student at the University of Wyoming who was tortured and murdered near Laramie, Wyoming, in October 1998. He was attacked on the night of October 6–7, and died at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado, on October 12 from severe head injuries. During the trial, witnesses stated that Shepard was targeted because he was homosexual. FACT. It is hate zardack. Maybe it’s time for you to come out, yes?
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What part of ” under our system of government, voters can’t deprive minority groups of their constitutionally guaranteed protections.†do you not understand?
There is a reason for the checks and balances in this country. This judge did their duty in not allowing the majority to deny rights to the minority. Your perception of morality is not enough to deny U.S. citizens their civil rights.
A majority of Californians also voted many years ago to all people to discriminate based on race who they sold their home to. The courts stepped in to state that this was unlawful.
Just because the majority wants something doesn’t mean it’s right. One purpose of our court system is to ensure that the majority does not deny rights to the minority. That’s exactly what this judge did.
If you haven’t seen the clip from Fox Sunday Morning of the interview with the conservative attorney, please do. He does a great job explaining how the judge was correct in his ruling and how this IS NOT “judicial activism”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwSprkiInE&feature=player_embedded
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Did the framers of the constitution envision interracial marriage? The fact is that the U.S. Supreme Court has deemed marriage as a basic civil right for all citizens. To deny U.S. citizens rights based on your idea of morality is wrong. Not everyone views gay marriage as bizzare. My guess is many viewed interracial marriage as bizzare at one time too. That does not mean the majority has the right to deny it to the minority. Did you view the video I posted a link to?
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Kind of like interracial marriage 44 years ago? Marriage is a basic civil right in this country and it is unAmerican to deny civil rights to people because you feel it’s “immoral”.
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Stupid argument. When people use this argument it shows they have no logical basis to their side. We are talking about basic civil rights for U.S. citizens. Why do you wish to deny Americans the rights so many have fought and died for?
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@Rambo, Pat Tillman and thousands like him did.
Marriage in this nation is considered a basic civil liberty. To discriminate against consenting adults is a disgrace to our Constitution and the American spirit. You don’t have to like gays getting married, but you do have to tolerate it. Just like I don’t have to like all the evangelicals badgering me on street corners but I have to tolerate it.
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As soon as your dogs can give consent I’m sure we’ll let them enter into legal contracts.
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Oh gawwwwd……. The same old “women won’t have children if they can vote” and “blacks aren’t really people” arguments……..
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Wes, that is simply not true, and is yet another effort by you to lie, lie, lie. Consistency is your biggest virtue.
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“I believe in every state that has put gay marriage on the ballot the voters have turned it down often by large margins.”
Well that is plainly untrue.
Examples: Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, District of Columbia, Coquille Tribe of Oregon.
The people elect their representatives, their congresspeople represent their interests. Representative democracy in action.
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If the majority of Minnesotans voted that Fox News had no right to free speech and they should not be allowed to broadcast, should that be okay? Would you be okay with that becoming law? Or, would you want a judge to rule that FoxNews has a right to free speech and that the vote, no matter what the margin, wouldn’t matter?
In the United States of America, the majority is not able to vote to deny rights to the minority. That’s just one thing that makes this country great. There are other countries that do deny rights to citizens. Fortunately, the U.S. is not one of them.
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Try to follow this. The premise is that the majority cannot vote away the rights of the minority. If the majority of voters decided to silence the right to free speech enjoyed by FoxNews, our courts would negate it. This is the exact same argument for the idea that California voters cannot vote away the civil right of marriage for a minority.
The majority cannot deny rights to the minority. It’s one of the many things that makes the United States of America great.
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1. The Supreme Court has stated many times that marriage is a basic civil right.
2. Laws forbiding consenting adults who are U.S. citizens to marry are an infringment on their basic civil rights and are unconstitutional.
3. One of the purposes of the three branches of governement is to ensure that the majority cannot deny civil rights to the minority.
4. Countless brave Americans have fought here and overseas to ensure that ALL Americans enjoy the civil liberties and rights people in other countries do not have.
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Okay, I will show you where. Then, please show me where it is not by citing Supreme Court cases.
First: In the August 4, 2010 federal district court decision in Perry v. Schwarzenegger, which overturned California’s Proposition 8, Judge Vaughn Walker cited Loving v. Virginia when justifying his conclusion that “the right to marry protects an individual’s choice of marital partner regardless of gender”. Judge Vaughn Walker is not a lefty … he was nominated by G.H.W. Bush and believes in a right wing conservative approach to law.
Second: Loving v. Virginia, quote from the decision: “Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man” ”
Finally, as posted earlier, “The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage was a fundamental right and … the constitution made no explicit mention of interracial marriage either… under our system of government, voters can’t deprive minority groups of their constitutionally guaranteed protections.†(paraphrased comments by Ted Olson, conservative lawyer on Fox News Sunday today). Here is a link to the YouTube video of what he had to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwSprkiInE&feature=player_embedded Ted Olson is by no means a leftist. He was represented Bush in Bush v Gore. I would hope you’d agree that he knows his stuff when it comes to the constitution.
So, there you have it. 3 examples showing that marriage is a basic civil right and for the majority to vote to deny it to the minority is unconstitutional.
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Rambo
Just because you feel it’s okay to deny rights to some Americans doesn’t mean it’s okay. Of course our brave men and women fought and died for the rights of American citizens…even rights you may not agree with; rights you want to deny to your fellow citizens for no good reason. What other basic rights of your fellow citizens do you want to vote out? Certain religions? Interracial marriage? Land ownership? Or is it just gays that you feel should be denied their civil rights?
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Pete: Constitutional rights to Privacy and Equal Protection. There is no legal distinction when it comes to what consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their homes.
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Fortunately for the citizenry of this great nation, the rights of individuals do not depend on your perception of what is or is not ‘bizzare’. I don’t thing there is such thing as an “icky” argument for determining who is afforded civil rights.
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Why one set of rules for straight couples but another set of rules for gay couples?
What consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their own homes shouldn’t be the governments business nor anybody else for that matter.
I see that no one has answered my question.
How have gay people directly harmed you?
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The courts have determined that marriage is a civil right for all citizens and it cannot be infringed based on bigotry. Just because you choose to stick your fingers in your ears and say “lalalalalalalalalala” doesn’t mean it isn’t. It’s like saying “black people in the United States do not have a right to marry white people”. Did you watch the Fox Sunday video of the conservative lawyer explaining it?
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What you believe or choose to accept is inconsequential. The legal argument stands and denying the right to marry to the minority is unconstitutional. Have you watched the Fox Sunday interview with the conservative lawyer yet?? He does a very good job of interpreting and explaining the legal rationale. And, please try to view it with your fingers out of your ears this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwSprkiInE&feature=player_embedded
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Great stuff there, Kerry. Denial runs deep among the Repubs though.
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Thanks, Nicole! I know. You can present them with Supreme Court cases, links to Fox News interviews with conservative lawyers explaining it, and pertinent case law on the subject but they won’t accept it because the thought of it is too “icky”. And their level of “ickiness” trumps the constitution and Supreme Court … because, well, it’s just too “icky” to think about! I’ve really enjoyed reading your posts too. Great points, but they’ll just check FoxNews tonight for their new talking points to post tomorrow.
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Nicole, I actually don’t think this is a Repub v Democrat thing. Yes, the religious right tends to show themselves as the bigots. But there are a great many Republicans (including leaders) that support gay marriage. Just saying
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Thank God the Constitution was written by the Founding Fathers who did not want this country to be run by The Church like the country they came from.
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It seems to me that you have no problem forcing your moral code onto others, Rambo.
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You certainly impose YOUR moral code on others rambo. It’s my wish that someone in your family comes out, ala dick cheney…
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Hahahahahhahhaha! That’s the difference between you and I Rambo. You equate being gay with evil, I’m a compassionate human being that believes being gay is no sin.
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List of animals that display gay behavior. http://bit.ly/dAjeoD
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Notice dogs are listed on the gay list there Bastet. Chickens as well but perhaps you didn’t raise chickens on the farm.
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Yep. Wikipedia. I’ve found it to be pretty accurate. Not 100%, but it’s far more accurate then Republican propaganda.
Gay dogs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Cr-isfbUY
Dogs will hump anything. Human legs, inanimate objects, other animals.
I have a cat that exhibits homosexual behavior. He regularly tries to hump one of my other male cats.
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The other male cat cooperates. He’s never growled or given the other cat a face full of claws either.
You brought up the argument that homosexuality doesn’t happen in animals and there is indeed proof of homosexuality in animals. Not just the example of my cat. There is plenty of proof if you are willing to look at it honestly.
As far as being born gay, well, I don’t agree with that. I think it’s a matter personal choice in most cases.
No one said that you had to agree with the homosexual lifestyle. What consenting adults do behind closed doors isn’t for our government to dictate. Pray for them. Stop trying to cram your moral beliefs down their throats. Love the sinner, hate the sin and pray.
They should be given the same legal rights as hetero couples and all the responsibility and obligations that comes along with it, as I believe is their Constitutional right.
The have the right to be as happily or unhappily married as the rest of us.
Rambo: LOL Finally you make me laugh.
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Animals “hump” to exhibit dominance over another animal. It’s very common and not a sexual thing. There is no penetration. a**l sex is strictly the domain of homosexual, male humans.
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And have you ever, for instance, observed the molecules rotating about in your dining room table? There is a big difference between observation and scientific observation.
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Gays are not gay because they were raped.
Who tells you rubbish like this?
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That’s OK, nB. Rambo did get off a good one, didn’t he?
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yes, he did.
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Given that ND is a very conservative state, I can hardly believe that this is even an issue. Everyone knows that no Republicans are gay. Just doesn’t happen. All Republicans are straight, hardworking, rich, straight, business owning, staight, religous, straight, tolerant individuals. There is no such thing as a gay Republican or a Republican on welfare (if you don’t count farm subsidies). Larry Craig is a closet liberal. Mark Foley is also a closet something. Ted Haggert, well we all know…. Bob Allen wasn’t really McCains campaign manager because you couldn’t be gay and have that job. And Glenn Murphy Jr, we all know that the Young Republicans is really a liberal organ ization. So no reason for ND to worry. Republicans just don’t catch the disease.
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To those who believe being gay is a choice… It just begs the question whether some people are born bigoted and homophobic, or were they raised to be that way?
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Given the number of wonderful, accepting, giving gay people in my circle who were shunned and made to feel like trash by “Christian” families, I’d have to say the answer to your question is it was beaten into them.
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There is no such thing as heterophobia.
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if homophobia exists–then so does heterophobia.
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It’s a learned behavior. They are taught by their parents, friends, fellow bible thumping church goers, usually of the Catholic denomination.
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I tink der are a few luterans hew may haf lernt sum ah dis nonsense tew. Yust tew menny homofobes out der fer all dem to bee catlicks.
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“Little children will be forced to learn that homosexuality is normal and natural and perhaps they should try it.” – Michele Bachman. It begs the question that…whoops, I’m sorry…doesn’t really beg anything. Newt & Michelle 2004! How could we ask for anything more!! A couple more from Michelle: “Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” And my fave…”I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.” You good folks that disagree with gay marriage support Michelle, yes?
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I wonder how all the gay bashers would feel if a large group of “good Christian folk” would demand that a man and a woman shall not get married. Hmmmm? My advice to all of you is to get out of the church, because you don’t know what it’s all about… : )
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You don’t know do you? It’s about love…
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“Little children will be forced to learn that homosexuality is normal and natural and perhaps they should try it.†– Michele Bachman.
Perhaps they will learn it’s normal and natural and they aren’t garbage that should burn in Hell if they happen to turn out to be gay.
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Taking a step back here, these debates are exactly why the government should not be involved in marriage. What business does the government have intervening in romantic relationships between people? If people want religious or secular celebrations of their commitment to each other, good for them, but it’s not City Hall’s business.
Of course, as long as there is legal marriage, it should be open to all couples — gay or straight.
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Our constitution was written with the express intent of protecting religious groups from the government. It would be wholly unconstitutional for the government to force churches to perform any type of ritual or worship service. Everyone I know supports same-sex marriage and none of them favor the government meddling in the practices of religious groups. Most of them simply object to religious groups meddling with the government.
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Lets analyze this for fun, lovenorthdakota. I’ll go first.
“Who cares if homosexuals have legal rights as partners?” hmmmm, that one’s easy . You?
“The thing that 99% of the general, common-sense, decent American population cares about…” hmmmm again. Don’t know where to start with that one. Learn to construct a sentence. And 99%? Too funny! Where DO you get YOUR figures?
“I have heard gays talking about forcing Churches blah blah blah…” Wow! Heard about that didja?
And finally, my fav, “This is where normal people draw the line.”
Would that be the same normal people that murder people like Matthew Shepard?
You are so sad.
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On November 13, 2002 Nicholas Gutierrez
punched, kicked, and mutilated Mary Stachowicz with a knife until he got tired. Then he placed a garbage bag over her head, strangled her, and jammed her body in a crawl space under the floor of his apartment.
Why? Because she dared voice disapproval of his homosexual lifestyle. He was not charged with a hate crime. You haven’t heard of her? Why not?
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Interesting that you percieve murderers to be normal people. I guess you would consider the murderer Zardoz mentioned as normal as well. You are far in the minority thinking gays should have the right to a freak show marriage.
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It is amazing that they find amending a constitution to be unconstitutional. All of this will eventually backfire on homosexuals. But until then if you oppose them get ready to be persecuted.
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