June 29, 2010 at 5:00 pm in INFORUM
Anita Burbeck says when government redraws rules on how body art can be done, it usually comes as a surprise to the tattoo industry.
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This story has such a lack of personal feel it makes me sick, the world of tattoo is wide-ranging and you interviewed 2 people in the whole F-M area. Deep work Forum. There are people under the age of 65 who read this paper.
The lack of any personality of this newspaper makes me sick. Read http://www.hpr1.com for insite of what is going on in this town.
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It’s not like these laws are made in secret or without public input as this article seems to imply.
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Are there really that many people who have something missing in their lives that only getting a tattoo can remedy?
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“It’s not like these laws are made in secret or without public input as this article seems to imply.”
I’m just curious Pete, why do you say that? What is the process for passing a new law if it is going to directly effect an industry? Is there a statistical sampling from owners of these shops and this owner just wasn’t one chosen? Or as the owner of a business is it your responsibility to keep an eye on every law being passed?
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I think they should raise the age to 30….;) nothing weirder than a muddled old tatoo on an old guy/or nowadays gal to make the grandkids innocently say: “grandpa, what did that used to be a picture of?”
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Whether or not you personally “like” them should not and will not be the basis for their legality. You seem to be the most judgmental person commenting on these stories.
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Jack you only think I am judgmental because I do not (or probably will not ever) agree with you. If I agreed with you then you’d just click the little green thumb and move on. I’d say that that is the ultimate in judgmental–that YOU decide who is “judgmental” or not. I’d say it’s up to God. Every person on here has a right to their own opinion.
This story is about tattoos. So how is your personal comment about me even relevant? I say go ahead and get a couple of sleeves–then later in life when you have a medical emergency and medical personnel needs to immediately start an IV to save your life they can spend an extra 10 minutes trying to figure out if they located a vein or the spike on a dragon or the horn on a devil or whatever goofball thing you want to draw on yourself.
I say we are ALL “fearfully and wonderfully made” (Psalm 139:14) –and when I popped out of the womb, God wasn’t up in heaven saying “oh crap, I forgot to put a dragon on her butt.”
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Can you support your arguement regarding the difficulty of locating a vein? That seems like a very weak argument. That bit of ink will not inhibit a skilled person from finding your vein. They don’t have to SEE it, they can feel that it’s there.
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no, I have relatives in the medical field and we were talking about this–and how it can or was something that came up–that and sometimes you need to assess someones (whatever) arm, leg, etc. if it is entirely covered in ink you may not get the proper evaluation or treatment–then think also of a postpartum belly. Can you imagine the distortion or things you could run up against there cosmetically–I would think a distorted tattoo could only add to the distress.
At the end of the day the body recognizes tattoo ink as a foreign substance–that is why you see the mottling later in life as the body struggles to break down the ink in an attempt to eliminate it. Ask a doctor. Plus now back to the vein–how many people goof that up just sitting in a blood drawing room –not everyone knows what they are doing there –trust me–I’ve had the black and blue arms to prove it.
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My Doctor has tattoos. Many evaluations take place looking at people’s hands, and more specifically their finger or toenails. Now, what do they do when someone has their toes painted, or they have fake nails? They look for other observation points to assess. Post-partum belly? Unless the Dr was trying to avoid mismatching a tattoo during a c-section, what really are people looking at in a distended post pregant tummy? The nurses view the surgical site(if there is one) for infection. They WILL massage the uterus, but not a one of them, and this is after having quite a few kids the natural way, bothered to even lift my gown to LOOK. They did the manipulations thru the gown. The one c-section I had, they only peeked far enough under to see the surgical site.
I considered calling my sis, she is an RN that works the surgical floor of a county hospital and ask her what particular health obstacles occur, specifically due to tattoos. She may be abel to shed some light on this.
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Rieka–I’m not taliking about the general public looking at and evaluating your abdomen–I am talking about how about just yourself and your husband? Who’s abdomen springs back into the exact place it started out in? maybe a couple of fashion models living on 3 calories a day but the rest of the world–I have to tell you–sometimes it ain’t pretty (stretch marks, distention, etc.) so if you have a very defined tattoo of something, the odds are it will end up in a different spot than it started out in…and I think the doctor stitching you back up after a c-section is more concerned with general closure and your overall health than with any cosmetic work.
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oh, I guess where we are miscommunicating is I am not talking about immediately postpartum–I am talking about weeks, months and even years later–the tattoo may end up somewhere else–or distorted, droopy, etc.
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My husband thinks my stretchmarks are beautiful as they are reminders of all of our beautiful children. They are the permanent marks of my body nurturing the creation of two bodies uniting. He called them “flames on a hotrod” and that helped me deal with each new one that I got with my first pregnacy.
If a husband thinks his wifes stretchmarks are ugly…he truly is a mile wide and a foot deep. I feel bad for a wife that bore children for a man who’s so stuck on external beauty.
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Why are you stuck on the distortion, droopy, look of a tattoo years from now? Who cares? Quite frankly, most of us will learn first hand the ugly truth of gravity. Things aren’t so perky after 40 and a couple kids. Unless, of course, we should live by the golden rule of fashion mags and get our body parts surgically altered to please the legions of people so shallow they can’t see past physical imperfections.
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insert tired sigh–oh, Rieka–I never said a word about my husband (now YOU are assuming stuff) I am saying ‘I’ am bothered by my own stretch marks (and who isn’t lying if they say they aren’t–unless they have barely noticeable ones or something)…and maybe some other women and their husbands are too. The point is TATTOS–a tattoo may NOT end up where it started out if you place it on your abdomen (if female) and then go through childbirth. The end. I am logging off now…..
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I never mentioned YOUR husband at all.
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“I am saying ‘I’ am bothered by my own stretch marks (and who isn’t lying if they say they aren’t–unless they have barely noticeable ones or something)…and maybe some other women and their husbands are too.”
I can’t help that you are bothered by YOUR stretchmarks, but don’t call people liars if they say they aren’t.
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Rieka, Rieka, I did not call you a liar. You can enjoy your stretch marks all you like. Have a party and blow up balloons. I’d rather have my 20 year old abdomen back–however, I realize I that can’t. And, other than this goofy conversation I can’t say that I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this topic….and isn’t this page about TATTOOS?????
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I personally think this law is B.S…. they lowered the legal age for sexual consent to 16 years, but a tattoo is 18 (because its a permanent thing) like a baby isn’t permanent? My husband is a tattoo artist & i a piercer… Regardless… if the kid & parent both agree on a decent tattoo or piercing they can live with for the rest of their lives, than why not? MY husband & I have MANY tattoos & piercing & planned on allowing our son when he turned 14 (if he has found a design worthy for life and ONLY if my husband did it) but now that may be a halt
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Amanda brought up a valid point.
I’d rather my daughter came home and asked me for permission to get a tat or a nose ring, than have her come home and tell me she’s got an STD she can’t get rid of or is pregnant.
These are the same folks that make the laws that dictate the laws on abortion too? Parents of a girl under the age of 18 must be notified, but are not needed for consent to perform an abortion on a child. My daughter has the right to demand an abortion and I will be told about it, and she will be allowed to undergo a medical procedure without MY consent…but in every other health related aspect, my name has to be signed on the bottomline, legally noting that I am giving my informed consent. She can’t even have a tooth pulled without my consent, vaccination updates without my consent, and she can’t go on a school field trip or play in sports without my signed consent.
“The age of consent in Minnesota is 16. — If the actor is in a position of authority, the age of consent is 18. If the victim is under the age of 13 the actor must be no more than 36 months older. If the victim is 13, 14 or 15 the actor must be no more than 48 months older. ”
I really don’t think she’s prepared to deal with the consequences of a sexual relationship now…something that could affect her for the rest of her life…yet, by law, it looks like she could find a boyfriend that can’t be any older than 48 months her senior…in other words, at 13, she could hook up with a 17 year old guy, and that’s OK by law.
Why, pray tell, would, a boy going to be a senior in HS, have any business having SEX with a girl going into the 8th grade? It’s legal and IMO, that is totally screwed up. MN law states that a CHILD (under 13 on up) can give consent to have sex with an older partner…just as long as the older partner is less than the statute dictated age limit. OOPS, your partner is just over the limit by a few days…it’s now statutary rape. It wouldn’t be rape if they were just a little bit younger, or you were just a little bit older. kids that are 12 can legally hook up with a someone that is less than 36 months older than they or approximately 15.
Wow. And the state is worried about ink and piercings?
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AGREED Completely Rieka!!!!
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I have quite a few tattoos myself, but I would not allow my 16 year old daughter to get one at her age. Children that age do not have the level of maturity to even comprehend what “forever” even entails, and that goes for many concepts, not just tattoos.
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speaking from experience..I would much rather have a tattoo as a reminder of my youth than the emotional baggage I have from getting sexually active at a young age. It’s taken me decades to find my soul and repair the tattered remnants of a shadowed past. Somehow being repeatedly “loved” enough to have sex and then “dumped” for the next available fresh meat, isn’t a fond memory to look back on. It’s not something to be proud of and it set me up for a bunch of poor choices and missed opportunities because I had developed a poor self-image and I did things that I really don’t like or believe in, just to be “loved”.
I have never wanted to go to my high school reunions because it’s a fresh reminder of being passed around. Just what do I have in common with them? We went to the same school and I had sex with them? Oh yeah…sign me up, I need to feel that humiliation all over again. NOT.
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Good lord, woman. TMI.
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If you think this is TMI…you should sit in on a public school sex ed class. It’s very informative and at times a quite a bit more graphic.
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Rieka–well, I guess now I know where you are coming from with your ideas from back over on the rape page. You were acting like I was some kind of a hateful recipient of a drink (which I was not)–in the meantime I guess if you’ve never turned anyone down–then you probably never had the experience of a guy getting angry because he wasn’t ‘collecting’ the way he thought he should be….It’s too bad that you had this experience–and I could see where it could mar you for life–but it doesn’t have to .
I’ve seen this ‘if you can’t beat ’em join ’em’ mentality from women alot. The reality is is that these guys are just using you (and laughing behind your back) and then throwing you in the corner. So many women let men do this to them–and I have never understood why. It’s worth the wait to hold out for someone who will treat you decently.
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Wow. I think you need to MIND your own business and NOT presume that you understand mine. Wasn’t it you that complained that people should not assume to KNOW you, what’s with your double standard?
NO, I am not one of “those women” as you put it, but thanks for the INSULT!!!
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Rieka–I wasn’t trying to insult you–you put the information out there–the only thing I said was that it helped me to understand your otherwise (non) understandable posts…?
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Why post it public…what you are wondering about my private life? You insulted me by “guessing” about my life from the limited bit I posted about.
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“helped me to understand your otherwise (non) understandable posts…?”
Shall I give you a bigger SHOVEL? You can’t even back away gracefully when you got your nose out of joint and posted your personal thoughts about me.
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Rieka–I am not wondering anything about your private life–it is of no concern to me. You already clearly stated stuff about your past that was no ones business. I only stated (non-sarcastically by the way) that it helped me to understand the posts you placed on the rape page–because I frankly didn’t hardly get where you were coming from on that page—that’s all I meant. My nose is not out of joint–but I see yours is. You feel compelled to place derogatory comments on my posts (and I don’t really care) but if I comment on your posts then you are mad…????
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Why post things in ( )? Is there some reason you feel the need to continue your sarcastic onslaught?
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This many years down the road the type of guy that is busy going from one fresh piece or meat to another probably doesn’t remember any of them anyway.
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LOL! I don’t know…when you graduate with a class size of 50, even the girls remember who you’be been with. Maybe by the time my 40th rolls around, CRS has kicked in for all of us. 😉
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Bringing us back to topic; this is exactly why underage kids should be getting all these tattoos…years down the road at that class reunion, it’s easier to remember a unique butt tattoo than a face.
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I’m just going to close this because we have spiraled COMPLETELY off topic here.
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